Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lo Presti 'ndrina

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The result was no consensus‎. If folks wish to continue the TP discussion, or the proposed merger, that can happen editorially. A fourth relist shows no indication it will be fruitful Star Mississippi 02:24, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lo Presti 'ndrina

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The Lo Presti 'ndrina does not exist, violates Wikipedia:No original research. The so-called Lo Presti 'ndrina only seems to exist on Wikipedia. I checked on Google, and apart from Wikipedia and offshoots, there is nothing. If anything, the Lo Presti's are a 'ndrina or clan, but even for that there is hardly any evidence, unless I missed something. No Lo Presti 'ndrina is mentioned in the book Fratelli die Sangue, for instance. The more I check the sources of this article, the more it becomes clear that there is a lot of inacurate selective quoting to prove that something like the Lo Presti crime family exist. For more detail, please check the talk page for a previous (and ongoing) discussion.--DonCalo (talk) 20:57, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What there is is a 'Ndrangheta boss Rocco Lo Presti, who had connections with several powerful 'ndrine (Mazzaferro, Ursino) but had no 'ndrina on his own. No Lo Presti 'ndrina exist, and certainly not now that he is dead. His business is taken over by his nephews from the Ursino 'ndrina. If you want to write something on the infiltration of the 'Ndrangheta in Bardonecchia or Val Susa you could create an article on 'Ndrangheta infiltration in Bardonecchia for instance and/or start a relevant section in the article on Rocco Lo Presti.--DonCalo (talk) 21:34, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2023 December 31. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 20:53, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. DonCalo (talk) 20:42, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. DonCalo (talk) 21:24, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:29, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The main argument to delete this article is that it violates the Wikipedia:No original research rule. The information in the article, which switched name from Lo Presti crime family to Lo Presti 'ndrina back and forth, can be easily incorporated into the article on Rocco Lo Presti. Google searches on Lo presti crime family, Lo Presti 'ndrina or Lo Presti clan only show results from Wikipedia and Wikipedia replicates. -- DonCalo (talk) 17:00, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:52, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: As above.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 01:50, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge selectively into 'Ndrangheta: the information seems verifiable, but not notable enough for a standalone article. Owen× ☎ 22:47, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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