Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Japanese voice actors dubbing Disney characters

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The result was delete. Sandstein 06:44, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of Japanese voice actors dubbing Disney characters

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Fancruft listing that has no notability and practically zero referencing. Why is it important to keep track of who has dubbed for Disney? And why are English voice actors in this list? And what about live-action Disney characters? Similar to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of international Winx Club voice actors. See also Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_June_18#Category:Funimation_voice_actors on reasons why listing by dub company isn't helpful. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:13, 14 July 2017 (UTC) updated 23:29, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Along with the items mentioned by AngusWOOF this is WP:INDISCRIMINATE info. It might work on the Disney Wikia but it fails WP:GNG here. MarnetteD|Talk 21:22, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Disney is very big in Japan, and dubbing of Western films is a major task for the Japanese showbusiness industry. Unfortunately I'm not good enough at Japanese to help write the article, but I'd be cautious about deleting this. I suggest translating this into English. - Richard Cavell (talk) 23:17, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

What does Disney's being big in Japan have to do with the English language Wikipedia and its policies? MarnetteD|Talk 23:20, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing to translate as there is no JP Wikipedia article. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:26, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@AngusWOOF: @MarnetteD: I believe his caution was because there were nearly 100,000 sources] in Richard Cavell's search results that discussed Japanese voice-over for Disney projects. Needing work (even a lot of work) is a poor deletion rational. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 03:09, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's WP:GOOGLEHITS in action. It doesn't show how this is notable. Yes, all sorts of actors have voiced on Disney projects, and yes, it's possible to connect Japanese credits to a Disney film, show, or broadcast, but per WP:LISTCRUFT there isn't any encyclopedic article about Japanese voice acting on Disney projects. This would be like making a list of American voice actors who voiced on Hayao Miyazaki films or who voiced on TV Tokyo shows. It's a trivial intersection and also bothers WP:PERFCAT if it were a category. Also note, this grouping is different from including Japanese Category:Disney people or inclusion in WikiProject Disney. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 13:19, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No where in my post did I state that it needed work. I did say that it is WP:INDISCRIMINATE which it clearly is. MarnetteD|Talk 04:11, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please share how it is you determine a sourcable list with specific inclusion criteria is somehow "indiscriminate". Thanks, Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 05:50, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as listcruft and largely hard to source. We aren't supposed to be a Disney fansite. Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:43, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@SNUGGUMS: Not "listcuft" as the inclusion parameters are quite specific and ir meets WP:SALAT, WP:LISTPEOPLE and WP:LISTPURP. And not impossible to cite as sources exist. The difficulty is the time and work that would be required by WP:SEP. And your last sentence could be applied to any Disney-related article, so is not exactly helpful. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 03:09, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Michael, I said hard to source, which isn't the same thing as impossible. I fail to see how this isn't just an indiscriminate collection of data. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:41, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry SNUGGUMS, but a sourcable list with specific inclusion criteria is not indiscriminate. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 05:50, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:INDISCRIMINATE: "To provide encyclopedic value, data should be put in context with explanations referenced to independent sources. As explained in § Encyclopedic content above, merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia. " So, yes, it's verifiable, but where's the encyclopedic content of assembling such a list? To pick on another franchise, this is like constructing a Japanese voice actor list for List of Marvel Cinematic Universe film actors and reasoning that Marvel films are big worldwide. The equivalent JA article doesn't even talk about the Japanese voice actor dubs. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 13:53, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As per Schmidt, , criteria is finite and it looks to satsfy WP:LISTCRITERIA. Deathlibrarian (talk) 09:38, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with List of Disney animated universe characters or Delete. There is room there to add another column for the Japanese voice dub actors, my only concern is what about the rest of the world? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:55, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have added merge tags which point to this discussion since I brought it up and want to keep the discussion centralized. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:06, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think there's anything to merge. The characters on that page already have the originating voice actors. However, if JA Wikipedia really wants their own pages and wants to add Japanese VAs, then that effort could be done. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:51, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per above. Fortdj33 (talk) 22:44, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I struck my opinion above as Angus is right. I do not see this un-sourced broad list as anything more than stats. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 01:34, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Winged Blades^Godric 04:37, 22 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per AngusWOOF. Unsourced list that only interests a specific audience. At best, the content could be briefly mentioned in their respective character lists, or be moved to Wikia. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:22, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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