Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of International Society for Krishna Consciousness members and patrons

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Shimeru (talk) 08:52, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of International Society for Krishna Consciousness members and patrons

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List that duplicates the category (etc., as per previous AfD Previous AfD was closed without reaching a consensus). Wikid ^as© 09:24, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep: Nom provides no legitimate rationale for deletion. The fact that a list duplicates a category is not a reason for deletion and is specifically addressed in WP:CLN in this phrase: Developers of these redundant systems [Categories, Lists and Navigation Templates] should not compete against each other in a destructive manner, such as by nominating the work of their competitors to be deleted just because they overlap. Doing so may disrupt browsing by users who prefer the list system. This AfD should be closed or nomination withdrawn.--Mike Cline (talk) 13:36, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This was just one reason. Other reasons were brought up in the discussion of the previous AfD. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of ISKCON devotees by status. Wikid ^as© 15:44, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Even factoring in the additional rationale from the previous Afd (for which I apologize for not including in comment above) that essentially Some entries aren't notable (since as of today most if not all are), no valid rationale for deletion is on the table. If an entry is not notable or cannot be supported with sources, it can be removed from the list. No reason to delete the entire list.--Mike Cline (talk) 16:07, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I do not think that is the only reason. The whole notion is that the list is not reflecting the reality. Where there are millions of members (non-notable). Where as it stands many on the list without actually citing any proof of them actually linked to the society (what to speak of being a member or a 'patron'). In fact there is no such a thing as 'a member' of iskcon, it is not defined (or in the process of being defined by the sect), thus the list is misleading. [1], [2]. Wikid ^as© 17:25, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete non notable list.--Stormbay (talk) 03:28, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hinduism-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:43, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:44, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non-notable unsourced list with no reliable sources. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 00:36, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Rename -- no reason to delete navigation list, no requirement for it to be ' notable' or sourced as it is the list of wikipedia's articles. (User) Mb (Talk) 14:07, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and consider renaming. No valid reason for deletion stated. Duplicating a category is specifically given as an invalid reason, and some entries being wrong makes no sense either. DGG ( talk ) 22:58, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, I can see no reason to delete this. Complements category per WP:CLN. The people on the list are notable, the International Society for Krishna Consciousness is notable. i'd say that being a member of the group is a defining part of these people's lives. Could use some more references, obviously, but that's not a reason to delete. If there is doubt over any of the entries, and they can't be verified, then they can simply be removed from the list.--Beloved Freak 11:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Still think that the title is misleading, it should be really List of notable disciples of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami not members of Iskcon. Nobody knows a definition of a member of Iskcon. (User) Mb (Talk) 04:32, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.