Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Formula One wet weather races

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The result was delete. Sandstein 08:22, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of Formula One wet weather races (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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Unnecessary article; could as well create List of Formula One windy weather races if this will stay. The whole article consists of a paragraph and a table which only emboldens the rainy races' name. This page gives no substantial information. ^{Babymissfortune} 13:10, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment. This would seem to fall under WP:NOTSTATS, but I am not an "expert" in this subject. What I can glean from the content is that this is (apparently) a formal declaration made within the sport ("officially declared by race director as wet weather race") that has consequences for how the cars are outfitted (and I don't know what else), so it would seem that it is objectively verifiable. But I don't know what is gained by marking a history of how many and which races were held under this condition. Formula One#Race mentions "wet conditions" and links to this list but does not explain further. I don't know if the nom is being facetious with "windy weather races", but if that's also a possible declaration made by the "race director" then an overview in the parent article of all of the different such race conditions and their consequences would seem like the best way to cover this. postdlf (talk) 15:06, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment. A wet race is definitely a thing within F1: declaration of a race as wet changes the regulations about which tyres can or must be used. Some F1 drivers are specifically known for their skill in the wet; they're called 'rainmasters'; among active drivers, the multi-World Champions Lewis Hamilton and Sebastian Vettel, and relative newcomer Max Verstappen. It is not uncommon for one part of the track to be dry (tyres overheat and degrade) and another part wet (driving on a skidpan with zero visibility).

There is no such thing as a windy race.

I have no strong opinion on whether or not this article passes WP:GNG in its current form; but IMO it would pass GNG (under a better title, e.g. Formula One wet weather races) if it included a discussion of the topic in general, which should be easy to source. Narky Blert (talk) 15:46, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. A wet weather race is very important parameter of F1. Race. It is important for statistics, race conditions. Wet weather also changing the regulation of race. Some of the drivers are real specialist for wet races. Windy races has no real influence for motor racing, but rain so much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brankom (talk • contribs) 16:09, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. This is pure trivia. People have to start remembering that Wikipedia is a general purpose wikipedia and not a fansite for motorsports enthusiasts (let alone F1 specific fans). Whatever is worth mentioning about wet weather racing can be mentioned in the general article on Formula One.Tvx1 20:24, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. I agree with the points raised by Narky Blert. The page would pass under a better title, but would also require elaboration, perhaps summarising the significance of the difference of wet conditions in Formula One. Clearly it is more significant than a 'windy race', and there is certainly something to be said about drivers known for their wet-weather ability. I think this may be an example where expanding or improving the article could render it worthy of keeping. Formulaonewiki (talk) 22:36, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Further to my previous comment, I thought I might elaborate on potential additional sections which could make this article worthy of keeping:

• Wet-weather conditions: Explain the difference this has (the use of wet tyres, how this removes need to run mandatory tyre, potential strategy implications etc.)
• List of wet weather races by circuit/Grand Prix: Are there circuits that have been wet-weather races more often than others? Perhaps a table with the most frequent wet-weather races would provide more insight than just the big table of all wet-weather races on its own.
• Notable wet-weather races/performances: Some wet-weather races are obviously not particularly interesting and can be rather processional, but there have been several races made particularly unique due to the wet-weather such as Japan 1976, Spain 1996, Italy 2008, Silverstone 2008 or Canada 2011 where the weather has significantly impacted the race result or produced a memorable performance from some drivers, or in the case of Japan '76 where Lauda retired due to the conditions despite contesting the WDC with Hunt.
• Rainmasters: Perhaps a brief section with a link to Rainmaster, which mentions Formula One drivers who have been described as a 'rainmaster' for their ability to drive in wet-weather conditions such as Gilles Villeneuve, Michael Schumacher, Ayrton Senna, Lewis Hamilton etc.

Formulaonewiki (talk) 17:03, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If it would "pass" under a different title and with expansion, then it passes currently, because we don't delete pages for fixable reasons. See WP:ATD and WP:PRESERVE. postdlf (talk) 01:10, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy delete per G4 as this is a recreation of a previously deleted article under a different name. Refer: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of rain affected Formula One Grands Prix --Falcadore (talk) 00:20, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think we're going to "speedy delete" something four days into a discussion on the basis of a ten-year old AFD. postdlf (talk) 01:10, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - I'm struggling to see this as anything but trivia Spiderone 18:32, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Trivia and original research. Ajf773 (talk) 06:07, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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