Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of British comic strips

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:56, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of British comic strips

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This seems absurdly broad in scope when various categories exist. Obviously the list is currently incomplete, but if it were it would cover everything in the Eagle, Beano, Dandy, 2000AD, Viz, Lion, Buster, Battle and Tammy for starters, which I'd estimate at around a thousand plus strips instantly. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 20:00, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Comics and animation, Lists, and United Kingdom. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:51, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

:Delete I’m sure someone is going to show up and start waving WP:NLIST and “valid navigational lists” around shortly, but I’m voting per WP:IAR. Nobody maintains these, they’re wildly over-broad in scope, and most readers arrive from internal links in prose articles and internal/external searches anyway so the benefit of a “navigational” list is negligible. Replace per Thryduulf. Pointless duplicate of existing lists. Dronebogus (talk) 23:53, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Replace with a list of lists. List of Beano comic strips, List of Dandy comic strips, List of Viz comic strips, and List of 2000 AD stories at least exist already. Thryduulf (talk) 09:44, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That’s actually a very good idea Dronebogus (talk) 09:29, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that sounds good. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 11:48, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Though thinking about it the problem is that some titles have the "List of strips" in the main article, if there are few enough to put in the article or if the title is centred largely around one strip (say, Marvelman), so those would slip through the cracks. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 16:17, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There is no reason why those lists could not be included in this new index list. Thryduulf (talk) 09:38, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Any entry is of things notable enough to have their own Wikipedia article or significant mention in another article. Otherwise purge them from the list. This list is far more useful than Category:British comic strips since you can sort things by year, publication, and whether it was in a newspaper, or comic book. Dream Focus 03:16, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We already have lists, plural, of notable British comic strips by publication. Are you suggesting we keep this largely redundant list just so we can, I don’t know, maximize the amount of busywork possible on Wikipedia? Dronebogus (talk) 11:23, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think the problem is the ongoing problem with there being no universal definition for comic strips or even "British" in this context. Technically you could make an argument for anything from a Steve Bell political cartoon to Watchmen being a British comic strip. After a couple of random dips into the page history it seems to have been set up as a container for newspaper/magazine strips and the like before being expanded with strips from comic titles. Problem again being that some are both. The argument for sortable categories isn't bad, but at the same time I'm highly unconvinced the list can ever be made useful for that purpose, and that if it ever was it would be so big it would need splitting up by decades or something. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 11:55, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Seems to pass WP:NLIST given that British comics is a notable article. There could be a decision to split and transform into a list of lists, but AfD is the wrong forum for that. There is nothing strictly non-notable that should be deleted. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:32, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:39, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Improving the list is wonderful, but I will indeed cite WP:NLIST and refer to the hundreds of books that have discussed British comic strips as a group. —siro χ o 07:17, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep with hopes for refactoring/improvement as discussed above, per Siroxo. No objection to improvement or wholesale replacement per Thryduulf. There seems to be no dispute that this meets WP:NLIST. I agree with Dronebogus' now-struck comment that NLIST, like all Wikipedia rules, ultimately derives any authority it has from serving our encyclopedic purpose (i.e. being a valid invocation of WP:IAR against itself). But I believe in this case NLIST does in fact serve the encyclopedia by pushing us toward a positive-sum solution. I am but a humble ignoramus in this topic area, but based on the discussion and links here it seems to me that an optimal approach would be to break out the list by magazine/publisher and discuss those outlets that already have lists of their own in summary style. Whatever the best solution, the current "known vs. lesser known" breakdown can surely be improved upon. -- Visviva (talk) 01:21, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Viva admin. Okoslavia (talk) 03:40, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Considering everyone's thoughts I'm more than happy to withdraw the AfD (if that needs doing, obviously moot considering the votes). As I seem to be the only active editor with interest in the field I'm interested in working to salvage the page as part of an ongoing attempt to bring a worthy but neglected area closer to Wikipedia's modern standards. Does anyone have any examples of lists that could function as a template for improving the page? BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 08:22, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! There's the famous List of lists of lists you could start from. —siro χ o 08:49, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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