Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Batman enemies in other media

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of Batman family enemies. Most commenters here do not seem particularly interested in merging, but also don't strongly object to it. Accordingly, article history will be left in place for use by anyone who is interested in doing so. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 02:43, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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While the List of Batman family enemies (de facto List of Batman enemies) makes some sense due to popularity of the franchise, this is a weird and small spin-off. What are "other media"? The article suggests it's "not comics", and intends to present a list of characters that debuted outside them (so it's really is a List of Batman enemies that debuted outside the comics). Ok, but how does this meet WP:LISTN? Instead, I am afraid such a categorization meets WP:OR. At best I can suggest this to be merged back to the regular list of Batman's enemies. And I am afraid most if not all entries in Category:Comics characters in other media need similar treatment (see also the recent Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Poison Ivy in other media, which like most of the entries at least doesn't violate OR due to an attempt to list characters that debuted outside comics, but it was still found to be an unneeded split from the main article). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:27, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Science fiction and fantasy, Comics and animation, and Lists. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:27, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as an WP:OR list per nom, and fails WP:LISTN too. No reliable sources establish this as a verifiable concept for a list. Jontesta (talk) 23:32, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete A relic of a time in which Wikipedia was as permissive about fictional cruft as FANDOM, it is totally unencyclopedic for modern Wikipedia and fails LISTN miserably. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:37, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Information on where characters first appeared is already part of the main Batman enemies list, and the articles on the various movies and tv shows have character or cast lists where these characters are listed, making this list unnecessary. Rhino131 (talk) 13:37, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge The first edit to this article was 04:49, 10 July 2008‎ Jc37 talk contribs‎ 11,000 bytes +11,000‎ split from List of Batman enemies. That article is now named List of Batman family enemies and is suppose to list supervillains, but just regular villains without super powers, gadgets, or a history of accomplishments are listed as well there. Most of those listed there without their own article probably could be pruned. Anyway, that list shows the characters first appearance in the column "First appearance". If it matters if they first appeared somewhere else, a new column could be created listing if they were first appearing in comic, television, video game, movie, newspaper, or radio broadcast. Someone could then click to sort by that information if anyone cared. Redirecting this article to there, and if anyone sees any valid information not already there, they can then copy it over. Dream Focus 09:18, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Per WP:LISTN - "There is no present consensus for how to assess the notability of more complex and cross-categorization lists (such as "Lists of X of Y") or what other criteria may justify the notability of stand-alone lists..." - Sooo, anyone here actually read those policies that you link to? Or are you merely driveby voters? This list was split, per normal splitting of lengthy list pages. See also Wikipedia:Summary style, Wikipedia:Article size. etc. As for its content, this is no different that any other "in other media" section/list/article we see everywhere. As for WP:OR, how exactly is finding out the debut of a character (a single verifiable fact) any sort of WP:SYNTH? Again, do you all actually read these policies? So, so far, not seeing any reason to delete. Instead, just seeing bare assertions with no policy backup. You can not like certain content, but, as we all know. IDONTLIKEIT isn't a valid deletion argument. So please keep your disdainful assertions of "cruft" to yourselves, such nonsense has no place in a consensual discussion. - jc37 09:02, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment If you search for "in other media" at Category:Batman in other media you'll find other entries, some of which are just categories for other things, but there are list articles for some of these: Mr. Freeze in other media, Penguin in other media, Poison Ivy in other media, Riddler in other media, Robin in other media, Scarecrow in other media, Catwoman in other media, Bane in other media, Joker in other media, Barbara Gordon in other media, and Two-Face in other media. This article is not like any of them though, nor like any of the other "in other media" articles that exist for other fictional series such as List of Spider-Man enemies in other media. This is not a "in other media" list article, it is a List of first appearances of Batman enemies. If kept the article should be renamed that. I think the information would fit fine in the other article though. Dream Focus 17:12, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm not against a rename. Though I'll note that you may run into issues with entries like Barbara Gordon - Depending on the source, she appeared in comics because she was going to appear in the show, or vice versa. - jc37 03:24, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:36, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting again.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:28, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as failing WP:LISTN. Agree with the nom that this categorization is WP:OR. Also agree that this can be merged back into the main article, and a redirect would be a consensus option that would allow this to take place through editing. Shooterwalker (talk) 22:55, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  If you're going to say "per X", you should say why. Especially since the policies in question don't support your assertions - as noted above. - jc37 03:24, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Soft Keep per jc37's statement above. Surya^{beej   ⋠talk⋡} 08:44, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or redirect. From just a utility standpoint, it seems useless if we don't have articles/list entries on them. It doesn't help the general reader in any meaningful way, and it's not a navigational tool. The characters all seem too minor to even bother listing. The overall topic doesn't have sources to establish notability for the grouping. TTN (talk) 22:43, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge per DreamFocus.4meter4 (talk) 02:19, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.