Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Levi Horn

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The result was delete. Sandstein 06:19, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Levi Horn

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Fails WP:ATH#American_football.2FCanadian_football. Has not appeared in an NFL game yet. Vanadus (talk | contribs) 02:57, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 03:02, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 03:02, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep He is on the roster for tonight's game.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:42, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Being on an NFL roster during the offseason is not an indication of notability and exhibition games do not count towards meeting WP:ATH. Eagles 24/7 (C) 02:12, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We allow articles for all players who have been on an active NFL roster in the past year in general. After a year, it might be deletable.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:47, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, we have kept players in the past who were on the regular season active rosters, never just for being on an offseason roster. Eagles 24/7 (C) 23:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:GNG and WP:ATH.--Giants27(T|C) 19:13, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Horn is an offensive tackle. Many OTs fail WP:GNG.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:48, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - What does that mean exactly? He doesn't pass WP:NSPORT either as he has not played in a regular season game yet. Preseason games and being on the off-season does not make a player notable.--Giants27(T|C) 19:58, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:NSPORTS, having never played at highest level. NSPORTS does not automatically assume notability based on pre-season appearances in NFL games. This is a WP:Run-of-the-mill player who does not deserve a standalone article. He also fails WP:GNG with lack of non-routine coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. WP:CRYSTAL would suggest not to speculate on future notability based on whether the undrafted player ever plays in the NFL.—Bagumba (talk) 08:13, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep - Passes ATH 4.1 C.1 ---Freja Beha Erichsen (talk) 07:39, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No, he doesn't pass WP:ATH since he has never played in an regular season NFL game. Eagles 24/7 (C) 17:37, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No, ATH 4.1 C.1 just states American football/Canadian football figures are presumed notable if they have appeared in at least one game in any one of the following professional leagues: the Arena Football League, the Canadian Football League, the National Football League, the All-America Football Conference or the United States Football League, or any other top-level professional league. Plain and simple. No interpretation is needed. ---Freja Beha Erichsen (talk) 20:45, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Playing in the pre-season does not make an individual pass WP:ATH. Thus, he does not pass WP:ATH.--Giants27(T|C) 01:29, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BusterD (talk) 10:14, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Undrafted free agent on a practice squad, has not seen action in a single professional game in any of the above-mentioned leagues. By the way, if anyone wants to save these stubs for fast recreation if and when their subjects DO play in the NFL, I've found that you can switch to the EDIT function, select all the text and copy, and then paste that into a MS Word or a Pages document. Then save that. No need to userfy on WP, you can keep the stuff on your own computer without administrator intervention. Carrite (talk) 12:28, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Userfication preserves edit histories.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:38, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. College football players can qualify under WP:GNG if they've had significant, non-trivial coverage in the mainstream media. Other than this article from the Missoulian and this one from The Spokesman-Review, I'm not finding non-trivial coverage of Horn in the mainstream media. Not enough IMO to pass WP:GNG. Willing to reconsider if someone can show that we've overlooked significant additional coverage. Cbl62 (talk) 05:59, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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