Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kenny Clutch

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The result was delete. J04n(talk page) 18:07, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:BIO and WP:CRIME. reddogsix (talk) 02:51, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - While the incident is tragic, he is clearly not notable per WP:BIO and WP:CRIME. He was merely an "aspiring rapper".[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10]. Relatively speaking, he was unknown in the rap community and therefore cannot qualify as notable under any of the 12 criteria for WP:MUSICBIO. He made a YouTube video and was in the process of trying to establish himself in the industry. He just happened to be the victim in a movie-style drive-by shooting in the middle of the Las Vegas Strip, which is why there has been so much media coverage. When the story first broke, many media reports didn't even mention him in the lead - the focus was solely on the way the shooting happened - and referred to him by his real name, Ken (or Kenny) Cherry. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 06:09, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect, the crime appaers to be notable per WP:EVENT (yet one can wonder whether it will continue to recieve coverage per WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE), however the subject of this biography article appears to fall under WP:BIO1E. Therefore, per BIO1E the article should become a redirect, and information about the victim should be merged and redirected to an article about the crime.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:10, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP:EVENT says "A rule of thumb for creating a Wikipedia article is whether the event is of lasting, historical significance". Do you really think that the shooting of a non-notable, virtually-unknown rapper is of lasting, historical significance? --76.189.111.199 (talk) 17:54, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The event received significant coverage; BIO1E applies to the victim. Note I stated I am not saying whether the event will receive continued coverage; I do not have a crystal ball to know if it will be the case or not.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:53, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi RCLC. :) Exactly... we don't know. But we need to know. I didn't cite BIO1E; I cited WP:EVENT. At this moment, we of course cannot determine that this event will have lasting, historical significance (although I'm sure most reasonable people will say it probably never will). And significant coverage, which you cited, is simply a section of the general notability guidelines, which are superseded by the more important WP:EVENT guidelines, which are specific to events. This is explained in its Background section. At this point, it's simply a news story getting a lot of coverage because of its movie-style nature and location (a drive-by shooting of an aspiring rapper in the heart of the Las Vegas strip, resulting in the crash of several vehicles). If the story should get to the point where editors determine that the event is clearly historically important, then by all means we should have an article for it. I appreciate your balanced input in this discussion. And I really like your name, even though I have no idea what it means. :P --76.189.111.199 (talk) 22:18, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Neither the crime nor the victim is notable except as a passing news story. WP is not the news. I will be very surprised if this gets continued coverage. --MelanieN (talk) 15:24, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Neither the person nor the event are notable. This is the usual "it's in the news so I must put it on Wikipedia" problem. WP:BLP1E and WP:NOTNEWS apply here perfectly. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 18:26, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Rename and rewrite to something like 2013 Las Vegas Strip killings, per rightcow. this person is not notable at all aside from being a victim in this shooting, which is getting lots of attention and deserves at least a stub article. this person may qualify for a couple of sentences in the list of victims, but not an article.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 23:07, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to 2013 Las Vegas Strip killings, as stated above. The tragic crime is notable but Kenny himself is not so much well known. BayAreaWiki (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:42, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:NEWSEVENT. "A rule of thumb for creating a Wikipedia article is whether the event is of lasting, historical significance". --76.189.111.199 (talk) 17:54, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Yes, the media are still covering this, but Wikipedia cannot have an article on every shooting involving more than one person getting killed, so I don't think there is much point in making this a redirect to an article about the event. It is not as if this event will disappear from the Internet if Wikipedia doesn't have an article about it. – Herzen (talk) 03:24, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. We're not the news. BLP1E. Et cetera. Drmies (talk) 00:18, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:BIO1E and don't redirect to any hypothetical article about the crime. Yeah, I admit that it is tabloid exciting: gangland shooting on the Vegas strip, exploding taxicab, how did the young "aspiring rapper" get himself a Maserati, and so on. But historical significance? No, give me a break. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2013 March 7. Snotbot  t • c »  06:48, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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