Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joe Bratty

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The result was keep. Tim Song (talk) 15:00, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Joe Bratty

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Queried speedy delete. He may be a bit noteworthy in Ulster matters. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:26, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This page was speedy delete tagged "it is nothing but gossip, weaselry and allegations, without a single source or reference after all this time thus making notability questionable. When tainted text is removed nothing but a useless stub remains. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 13:17, 4 May 2010 (UTC)". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:29, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete unless somehow transformed before end of AfD -- The article was created in February 2007. It is the responsibility of the article's creator to ensure that the article is not in violation of any policies or requirements, in this case WP:SOURCES, WP:WEASEL and WP:OR. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 17:18, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Northern Ireland-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:10, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment. Joe Bratty certainly shows up quite a bit in Google Books, but I'm a bit wary on books about Northern Ireland history because there's several different versions of the history. Nevertheless, if the factual claims in the article can be verified, I didn't see that much weaselry and OR to remove. Having said that, I'm wary about leaving articles on obscure Troubles figures lying around, because they'll be easy targets for future one-sided editing if no-one's watching closely. Is there anywhere suitable we could merge this? Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 22:09, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep just about. I must declare from the start that south Belfast is my native area and for as long as I can remember Joe Bratty was about as notorious a name as they came. His activity in the UDA was long and bloody and as such I think he was notable in terms of his impact on the Troubles. I have also rewritten the article on the basis of the reliable sources available at hand to me (apologies for any typing errors in there but I'm in a bit of a hurry) but I reckon I could work on it further over time as there is plenty of coverage out there. Keresaspa (talk) 19:40, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Weak~~ Keep, I'm a little leery about the current references, are they books or what? I'm willing to lend a hand with bringing it up to speed, but it's be a few days. --Nuujinn (talk) 23:33, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, they're books [1], [2], [3], [4]. Not sure what else they could have been to be honest! Keresaspa (talk) 02:49, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Shimeru (talk) 00:26, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Please take another look, I think it's cleaner now and pretty well referenced. --Nuujinn (talk) 21:40, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as revised. Does appear to have enough coverage now, and looks reasonably balanced. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 21:45, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the improvements made in the article. I was just about to close it that way but decided to !vote instead. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:35, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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