Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jean-Baptiste Tournassoud

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Kraxler (talk) 17:13, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jean-Baptiste Tournassoud (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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I'm hampered by my lack of French, but I was unable to verify his WP:NOTABILITY. This has been tagged for notability for over 7 years; hopefully, we can now get it resolved. Boleyn (talk) 17:25, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Not sure - The best my searches (News, Books, Newspapers Archive, highbeam and thefreelibrary) was a few results at Books. It's imaginable that better sources may be French, archived and offline. SwisterTwister talk 18:15, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Oh, please. Yes, this is a dismal non-article with a sorry history (starting with plagiarism). But unlike the celeb, wedding and other photographers who infest Wikipedia, this bloke is notable. Exhibit A, a book consisting of 150 plates from his collection, published in 1920 (when photobook titles came out at perhaps one hundredth the rate they come out today) in a trilingual edition and with a preface by Marshal Pétain himself; exhibit B, a booklet accompanying an exhibition of his work held at Musée Nicéphore-Niépce thirty years after his death; exhibit C, a book devoted to his work, presumably accompanying an exhibition held at some Ain departmental museum (perhaps subsequently renamed, but presumably one of these) forty years after his death. Keep. -- Hoary (talk) 23:16, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep Add to Hoary's sources a passing mention here (fr). That person was apparently not a professional photographer, but an army officer with a strong passion for photography, and he was affected to the propaganda services of WW1 because of that (Service Photographique et Cinématographique de Guerre - Photography and Filming Service for War). Note, however, that this section drifted towards art for art as opposed to propaganda.

While I think the coverage would be enough for a random photographer, the publication of his works in 1920 was most likely helped by the army or government as a patriotic stunt ("exhibit A"). There have been exhibitions of his work in minor museums but that would be on the verge of notability (especially considering the kickstart he got due to war). Friend of the Lumière brothers, but notability is not inherited. Tigraan (talk) 12:16, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• • Comment. Yes, I'm sure that the 1920 publication was to a considerable degree a patriotic stunt, but Tournassoud was the person chosen for it. You (Tigraan) suggest that Musée Nicéphore-Niépce is a minor museum. Of course it's no Orsay or Pompidou, and one person's major can be another's minor; still, its website suggests that it's not negligible. (And if I were lucky enough to be near Chalon-sur-Saône, I'd want to pay it a visit.) -- Hoary (talk) 13:10, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I stand corrected about the museum being "minor". Nonetheless it is devoted to the history of photography, not as photography as an art, so I am not convinced it grants much notability on "artistic" grounds (e.g. WP:NARTIST #4b/c/d).

On the other hand, the museum that made this is probably that one (it must be in Bourg en Bresse and there are not that many options). While smaller than the Nicéphore-Niépce, it is an art museum, so I think that is a better claim to artistic notability. The problem is that the sourcing is uncertain. Tigraan (talk) 09:50, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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