Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Honchy Brid massacre (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. If an article about the village Honchyi Brid is created, this article can be undeleted via WP:REFUND for the purpose of merging it into the village article (to the extent editorial consensus supports that). Sandstein 08:54, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Honchy Brid massacre

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Last AfD had three sock puppets voting to keep out of 5 keep votes -->[1]. I'm re-nominating it for deletion due to unreliable and low-quality references used that do not meet ArbCom's recommendation for this topic area [2] - also a case of dubious notability. GizzyCatBella🍁 04:26, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 05:00, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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• Query who were the 3 sockpuppets? The only one I can see confirmed is User:Polska jest Najważniejsza Mztourist (talk) 08:30, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @Mztourist - [3] and [4] - globally banned user, ArbCom block. GizzyCatBella🍁 12:30, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose  Argument about socks is ad hominem (I have no opinion on the presumed socks, but article deletion discussion concerns the article). The mentioned Arbcom amendment is about challenging specific sources, so please state which sources are challenged and why. Regarding notability, please explain which threshold in a guideline is not met. —Michael Z. 18:37, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete fails WP:BASIC. For any claim of a massacre I expect to see reliable independent sources not from the country/group claiming that the massacre took place. Mztourist (talk) 13:54, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Wow, User:Mztourist! Please review WP:BIAS and rethink your comment. Den (The Day) is a reliable journalistic source, and the fact that Ukrainian citizens work for it isn’t a reason to denigrate it. And isn’t the BBC from an acceptable country/group? —Michael Z.

  • Wow, user:Mzajac WP:BIAS is at the front of my mind when I consider that only Ukrainian sources are reporting a massacre in Ukraine, just like when only Vietnamese sources report massacres from the Vietnam War. The BBC Ukraine story is about the "Volyn tragedy", it doesn't mention a supposed "Honchy Brid massacre". Mztourist (talk) 09:27, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    User:Mztourist , yes, it says in Honchyi Brid he commemorated Ukrainians killed during events of the Volyn Tragedy. See Volyn tragedy#Ukrainian casualties. I don’t know what you mean about Vietnam—are non-Ukrainian reliable sources disputing this? —Michael Z. 04:47, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as mentioned in original discussion, this is not discussed in major works on the subject (Motyka etc) and it only shows up in a couple obscure media outlets because of a one time event (WP:NOTNEWS). Volunteer Marek 00:02, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete -- Many atrocities were committed in the latter part of WWII. Many may well be recorded by the equivalent of a war memorial. I do not think we can have an article on every war memorial. I note that we only have a redlink for the village. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:46, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. Such events should be notable, and I feel uneasy voting for deletion (see also my comment in the prior AfD). A good compromise would be a merger to the article about a village. Which, sadly, as Peter observed above, doesn't exist, but it's an easy fix; the village as articles on several Wikipedias including Polish and Ukrainian. The Polish entry is very bare bones (pl:Gończy Bród), but the uk:Гончий Брід is much more substantial. Any chance some Ukrainian-speaker active here could stub the village entry? Ping User:Mzajac (your usepage says uk-2, I think it's the best out of the participants here)? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:51, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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