Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gulam Abbas Moontasir

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The article has been updated and refs added. (non-admin closure) Szzuk (talk) 11:10, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NBASKETBALL Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:03, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. WeAreAllHere _talk 03:04, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Basketball -related deletion discussions. WeAreAllHere _talk 03:05, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. WeAreAllHere _talk 03:05, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep a recipient of Arjuna award , a prestigious and top sport award of India conferred by the Government of India.Shyamsunder (talk) 06:51, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  Meeting WP:GNG is a matter of showing that significant coverage from multiple independent sources exists for the subject. Winning an award is sometimes an indication that coverage exists, but it is not a given. The article has been tagged for lack of sources since 2015. Are you able to identify sources to demonstrate GNG? Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 09:27, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  Here is the source [1] - a well known newspaper of India.Looks like the nominator did not to look for it before nominating for deletion.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Shyamsunder (talk • contribs)

  That's a start. However, GNG requires multiple sources of such coverage. Do you know of more? I also see that you were the article's creator. As a future reference, you can also save you and the community from spending time on these types of deletion discussions by citing the significant coverage when you first create the article.—Bagumba (talk) 11:00, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If the community feels that way please feel free to delete this page. I change my vote from oppose to support. Go ahead.Shyamsunder (talk) 11:55, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Shyamsunder: Per WP:AFDFORMAT, you can formally change your vote by using strike-through by enclosing a retracted statement between <s> and </s> after the *, as in "• Delete Keep". Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 10:00, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Fails WP:GNG with lack of significant coverage from multiple, independent sources. Does not meet Wikipedia:NBASKETBALL either.—Bagumba (talk) 09:54, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Delete. Not sourced BLP article that fails WP:GNG. Enough said. startTerminal (haha wow talk page | startTerminal on irc) 01:04, 17 April 2018 (UTC)*[reply]
• Keep. The current article is poor, but in addition to playing for the Indian National basketball team, Gulam Abbas Moontasir has also played a major role in the 1981 movie Khoon Ki Takkar. English language sources are difficult to find, especially from long ago but here's one. [2]Jacona (talk) 13:48, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a couple more sources to the article, including one for the Arjuna Award, which is a big deal and which should be by itself enough to pass gng. It's not super-easy to find sources for Indian subject material, but from a fairly limited viewing, it appears that Abbas is not just notable, but eminently so. WP:BEFORE for a non-American subject should be more than just dismissing the first page of google results because you haven't heard mention of them on ESPN.Jacona (talk) 14:23, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

About his possible acting roles, is there a source? IMDb is not considered reliable. Also, is there a source that confirms the actor is the same person as the basketball player? Wikipedia:Don't build the Frankenstein warns about the dangers of writing bios and assuming people with the same name are the same person. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 13:17, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, one such source is this one: [3]. Unfortunately, this source states that he's been in several films, not which ones. I've found some sources that do state specific films, Some specific films, including Khoon Ki Takkar, but I'm still searching for a better source.Jacona (talk) 17:32, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

comment It says a lot that he comes up in more or less trivial coverage in almost any story about the history of Indian basketball, including talking about a referee throwing him out of a game 35 years earlier. [4]. Not everything was on the internet in the 70s, but he's one of two players who come up in any material on Indian basketball in that time period.Jacona (talk) 17:54, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep notability established in above discussion and the sources noted. FloridaArmy (talk) 12:56, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep Changed from "delete" above. Probably meets GNG with significant sources identified by others at Scroll and Deccan Chronicle, as well as gut feeling from the many trivial mentions that treat him as a historical figure. I'll WP:IAR on any remaining doubt and assume offline sources are likely to exist.—Bagumba (talk) 13:19, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Ample evidence that subject passes GNG, if not as an athlete then as an actor. Smartyllama (talk) 20:19, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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