Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Francophone

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep - a somewhat surprising consensus. What lifts a dicdef into an encyclopaedic topic is sourced discussion of the concept rather than the word. The only discussion of the concept is unsourced. But, hey, consensus is consensus so 'keep'. TerriersFan (talk) 21:26, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Francophone

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Per Wikipedia:NOT#DICTIONARY Gnevin (talk) 18:13, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Most of the references here point to dictionaries, and the last paragraph is essentially a list of countries where significant French-speaking communities reside, which is already covered by Member states of the International Organization of the Francophonie and French language. I Jethrobot (talk) 22:44, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 00:57, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 00:58, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Organisation internationale de la Francophonie. There may be some bits worth merging, though none jumped out at me. The first paragraph might also be merged to French language Cnilep (talk) 02:58, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- That would be a bad idea. It means french-speaker first and foremost, so should be a disambiguation page. 65.94.47.63 (talk) 04:48, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Fair enough, the term is somewhat ambiguous and does mean "speaker of French" in English as well as French, so pointers to French language and OIF may be warranted. Notice that Francophonie redirects to OIF. Cnilep (talk) 02:49, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment anglophone is a disambiguation page, so this one should be as well. 65.94.47.63 (talk) 04:48, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The topic is notable - see The Francophone world, for example. There is nothing in the DICDEF policy which tells us to delete and the nomination's reasoning is not clear - see WP:VAGUEWAVE. Warden (talk) 06:45, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Frankly, when I saw the notice I was very surprised. The term is most certainly notable, and any failings in the article should be noted for repair and expansion, not used as an excuse to delete. --~~— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ckatz (talk • contribs)
- That the word is in common use is not in dispute, but as 65.94.47.63 points out the word means a speaker of the French language. Is it really necessary to discuss speaking French outside of a discussion of French? Maybe, but I tend to doubt it. The comparison with Anglophone, which is a DAB pointing to English language, English-speaking world, and Anglosphere seems apt. Perhaps a DAB pointing to French language, French-speaking world and Francophonie would be worthwhile. Cnilep (talk) 03:02, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - More like a WP:SETINDEX, given that the topics are all related to the French language; Anglophone should also be reformatted with Template:SIA instead of Template:Disambiguation. postdlf (talk) 03:33, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Valid topic for inclusion. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 12:18, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, strongly oppose merging to Organisation internationale de la Francophonie. The lead of the latter article clearly shows that the organization is not the same as the concept behind the word, with sentences like "Francophonie may also refer, particularly in French, to the global community of French-speaking peoples, comprising a network of private and public organizations promoting special ties among all Francophones." Maybe the best would be renaming to Francophonie or Francophone world, Francophone becoming a disambiguation page in the same way as the Anglophone page. --Anneyh (talk) 12:28, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment "Francophonie" is the OIF. Renaming this to Francophonie is a bad idea. "Francophone world" is a better name than the very confusable "Francophonie", since the capital letter form is the OIF. The lower case letter form "francophonie" therefore is unavailable. In my local English dialect, "Francophonie" almost always means the OIF, and rarely the francophone world. 65.94.47.63 (talk) 05:23, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Notice that "French-speaking world" currently redirects to List of countries where French is an official language. That's not quite "Places in the world where French is spoken", but it's more general than OIF. Cnilep (talk) 03:19, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep Very notable, and this article (1) is more than a dictionary definition, and (2) can be expanded further. Eauhomme (talk) 16:20, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Neige pablo 21:03, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.