Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dustin Slade (2nd nomination)

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The result was no consensus. As this seems to be devolving into "how many hockey all-stars can skate on the head of a pin", it may be worth addressing the apparent ambiguity in WP:NHOCKEY. A Train^talk 07:28, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Article AfDed for non-notability in 2008 when the standards were looser, after his playing career was already finished. Fails NHOCKEY (his all-star citation in 2006 was a conference honor, not a league honor as Criterion #3 requires), no evidence he makes the GNG beyond routine sports coverage explicitly debarred by WP:ROUTINE. Ravenswing 14:47, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:34, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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• If the WHL had a single First Team All-Star team in 2006 then I agree with the nomination on NHOCKEY #3. But I don't think that is how the WHL determines its All-Star teas; I think they just have a separate East and West team, in which case I think his West selection should qualify. Rlendog (talk) 20:34, 1 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Like many leagues, the WHL selects and announces an All-Star team for each conference so the characterization of this as a conference award is incorrect (compare to the NHL and NBA). This means WP:NHOCKEY #3 does indeed apply. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 14:00, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Reply: It really doesn't; we meant exactly what we asserted. The WHL declining to name a single All-Star Team (and I can't possibly imagine how awards presented only within a single conference aren't conference awards) doesn't mean our standards automatically lower to suit; it means that Criterion #3 doesn't apply to the WHL, and that WHL players must stand or fall on other criteria or upon the GNG. Ravenswing 17:00, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

One of us is mistaken and it will have to be the closer who decides. The WHL's naming of All-Stars works exactly the same way as the NHL and we don't say that, for example, Wayne Gretzky only received a Campbell Conference award in 1989. No, he was a NHL All Star that year. The same applies here. The Western Conference of the WHL only exists as a scheduling convenience and has no actual organization that can hand out awards. The WHL All Stars are not presented by the conferences at all, much less within a single conference. There is a link above from the WHL showing this. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:03, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Errr ... if that's your example, you're entirely offbase. Gretzky was, indeed, a league All-Star in 1989, but certainly not by virtue of playing in the annual All-Star Game, something a few dozen players do every year in any league that holds them. He was, instead, named to the league's second All-Star Team, a completely different honor. That being said, how the NHL makes such awards is entirely irrelevant, since NHL awards form no part of Criterion #3. #3's direct intent is to accord presumptive notability to the top six position players in the named league's in any given year. Slade, who was not even the best goaltender in the WHL in his year (Justin Pogge won that honor), was not one. Ravenswing 20:34, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - clearly fails WP:NHOCKEY,per above discussion. Shelbystripes (talk) 03:05, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Not because of the argument above, but because I can find no evidence they meet WP:GNG. -DJSasso (talk) 13:28, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I can't imagine how being named to the First All-Star Team doesn't make you a First Team All-Star. That's literally the exact same thing. Smartyllama (talk) 19:38, 12 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• When one is named a conference All-Star rather than a league All-Star, is how. Ravenswing 20:03, 12 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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