Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dr. Jyoti Kiran Shukla

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Sandstein 19:15, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Politicians are not given an automatic free pass over WP:BIO just because they exist — their ability to qualify for Wikipedia articles is determined by criteria at WP:POLITICIAN. This one fails to meet WP:POLITICIAN. Subject lacks non-trivial coverage from independent reliable sources and does not appear to meet basic GNG as well. Saqib (talk) 07:59, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 10:03, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. According to [1]], she holds a cabinet-level position. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 11:28, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Eastmain: Consider it a question: So the subject is Chairperson at Rajasthan State Finance Commission. Apparently. Rajasthan State Finance Commission is a government body under the State Government of Rajasthan. I assume there would be plenty of government departments under the State Government of Rajasthan so does that means the chairs of those government departments pass WP:N test? I assume Chair of Rajasthan State Finance Commission is an important position, thats why she was given a seat in the state cabinet but importance does not equate with notability and therefore I'm not convinced that she easily meets WP:POLITICIAN. --Saqib (talk) 17:19, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Saqib: WP:POLOUTCOMES says: "In general... Elected and appointed political figures at the national cabinet level are generally regarded as notable, as are usually those at the major sub-national level (US state, Canadian province, Japanese prefecture, etc.)" Eastmain (talk • contribs) 22:26, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Saqib: as Eastmain has already pointed out WP:NPOL criterion for her inclusion, I wouldn't delve into that, however as this is my second-time finding you nominate an article for deletion without going through WP:BEFORE; I advise you to do so from now on; earlier this year you nominated a bunch of Pakistani permanent civil servant articles (Federal Secretary-level officers, if I recall correctly) for deletion created by a user in a display of behaviour which borderlined on hounding frankly and now this, I strongly advise you to follow WP:BEFORE, I say this because I have done the same mistake in a bunch of AfDs, also, please don't take this as an attack on you as a frankly, great content-creating editor.
Regards, SshibumXZ (Talk) (Contributions). 02:33, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sidenote — Unlike in the US, in India cabinet-level positions are generally advisory positions given to not-so-important/retired party-people and don't have much executive powers, consider them to be something in vein of a honorary chairperson or member in an organisation. She doesn't attend state-cabinet meetings and isn't a part of the state's council of ministers, that is a privilege reserved for the cabinet ministers appointed by the state governor on the advise of the state's chief minister in accordance with the nation's constitution.

• Comment. If the article survives AfD, I would suggest moving it to Jyoti Kiran. See the discussion at the article's talk page. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 22:26, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article has already been moved, which isn't ideal during an AFD. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 22:28, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep — Chairperson of a SFC is an irrelevant position in the grand scheme of things, but, her position does merit her a Wikipedia entry under criterion no. 1 of WP:NPOL.
  Regards, SshibumXZ (Talk) (Contributions). 02:33, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep due to WP:NPOL as described above. Ross-c (talk) 11:29, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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