Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Disappearance of April Jones

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The result was Keep. (non-admin closure) AutomaticStrikeout 21:11, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Disappearance of April Jones

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Meets NOTNEWS and RECENTISM, fails WP:PERSISTENCE, fails WP:CRIME. This entire case caused a local stir, but was over and done with in the span of a week, and there has been no significant further coverage since. MSJapan (talk) 05:08, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This case has yet to come to court, but is sufficiently notable for an article.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:23, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Rare instance where a murder charge has been brought without the presence of a body, which makes this case notable. Paul MacDermott (talk) 09:11, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The event is definitely notable, despite the case not coming to court quite yet - and I'm fairly happy that the tone of the article is as neutral as it's possible to be about such a situation. Plenty of good sources as well. It was also more than a "local stir" - it was a national one. Lukeno94 (talk) 10:04, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wales-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:13, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:13, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:13, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep this story is not over since the trial of the defendant will take place in 2013, so the argument based on Wikipedia:Notability (events) is misplaced without having to rely on WP:CRYSTAL-reasoning. It led to more than merely "local stir", as a read of the article and its sources will show. This is an article about the disappearance, search and murder charge, so I'm slightly puzzled by the reference to WP:CRIME which tells us when not to have a biographical article about the victim, since we don't. Bencherlite ^Talk 21:11, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. One of the largest media stories of the last few months. Never out of the British national media for days on end. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:22, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - story is not over. and to be frank the nominator is wrong about WP:PERSISTENCE and WP:CRIME just like the similar AfD by the nominator on Death of Tia Sharp. --BabbaQ (talk) 15:38, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This AfD is part of an mass-AfD by the nominator, if that is good or bad I will leave up to you to decide. --BabbaQ (talk) 15:38, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

REname to Murder of April Jones. This case was widely covered in the media, with masses of people engaged in search operations. Though these have not produced her body, a man has been arrested for murder. WE need to keep this at least until we have the outcome of a trial. That is the time to judge this, but I suspect that we will want to keep it. Cases like this tend to get cited in the press periodically, so that it is useful to have a WP article that people can consult when it is alluded to. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:47, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's a non-starter per WP:BLPCRIME. The article would keep this title unless there was a conviction by a jury.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 17:51, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, obviously notable based on press coverage. Everyking (talk) 00:49, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The story is not even yet over. -- KC9TV 03:24, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Tentative keep - We don't have a specific policy or guideline for such "Death of X" stories, other than the usual caveats about WP:NOTNEWS. So we have to rely on a "feel" for whether this story will likely continue to dominate the news or lead to legal precedent, both of which are subjective tests. Those givens, I am leaning towards a keep on this case, based on what appears to be continuing coverage of the story. Bearian (talk) 17:25, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I take that back, partially; see Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Crime_victims_and_perpetrators and User:Paul MacDermott/Articles concerning criminal acts. Bearian (talk) 17:33, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/april-jones-search-expected-end-weeks-040743576.html;_ylt=AlB_JHqUkc.Gl.Y03yRUpCbp0Mh_;_ylu=X3oDMTR1Z2MxcjF2BGNjb2RlA3ZzaGFyZWFnMnVwcmVzdARtaXQDTmV3cyBmb3IgeW91IFJIIGNvbCBvbiBuZXdzBHBrZwMyN2M5NjE5Ny0yY2FjLTM3MTgtYTdkNC04MTQ0ZmQ4NjQ4MGIEcG9zAzIEc2VjA25ld3NfZm9yX3lvdQR2ZXIDOGJiYmYxMTMtMmYwOC0xMWUyLWJlZGItMTgyNDY5MzVjNTA5;_ylg=X3oDMTJqajhqZWtxBGludGwDZ2IEbGFuZwNlbi1nYgRwc3RhaWQDN2RiZTMwMGUtNTUxYS0zNTRhLTk2NzEtMjg0YzBjZTRhNmViBHBzdGNhdAMEcHQDc3RvcnlwYWdl;_ylv=3 This case is coming to a close and let's face it, WP:NOTNEWS, The media dropped 'Disappearance of Megan Stammers' as soon as it got cold and I've heard nothing of this for a few weeks until about now when I saw this on Yahoo which shows that it's going to follow the same route as the one I mentioned before. And since it's apparently breaking four rules it's good to get out. Your friendly Wikipedia prefect :) - (I can haz Cheezburger?) 15:08, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is a very different case. Nobody ever thought Megan Stammers was dead, just that she'd run away, which turned out to be the case. April Jones, however, is almost certainly dead, many people spent days looking for her body, and a man was charged with her murder soon after her disappearance despite her body not being found. That is very, very rare. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:19, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The parallel with Megan Stammers is incorrect, as she turned up safely. April Jones has not yet been found, and a man has been charged with her murder. Read the article first, folks.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 15:20, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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