Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Chan Yuk-cheung

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The result was keep -- Y not? 14:09, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

David Chan Yuk-cheung

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WP:BIO1E and WP:NOT#NEWS . A POV fork of Senkaku Islands dispute. Although I personally found this interesting, and would prefer sources, inline citation and NPOV fixing and retaining (arguably merge and redirect to that article). Widefox; talk 08:48, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify BIO1E / NEWS reasoning - similar to (BLP1E) Zhan Qixiong: this is one event Senkaku Islands dispute#Events in the prolonged dispute. If the event itself is significant we should have an article on it (or arguably him there) rather than the person. The lack of inline citations and independent sources ({{Request quote}} for WP:NONENG would be helpful too) in the article make this currently hard to evaluate / weigh up the individuals notability outside of the event (it appears to be a translation of the Chinese wiki article). "Another issue arises when an individual plays a major role in a minor event" - may be appropriate in the context of the Senkaku Islands dispute - there's currently no mention of him/this event in Senkaku Islands dispute#Events. The central issue seems to be NPOV / POV forks similar to Zhan Qixiong (by the same topic banned editor) - see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zhan Qixiong and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Incidents of Endowing and Forfeiting the Titles of Dalai Lama and Panchen Lama. Widefox; talk 02:58, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Evano1van(எவனோ ஓருவன்) 10:11, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Evano1van(எவனோ ஓருவன்) 10:11, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hong Kong-related deletion discussions. Evano1van(எவனோ ஓருவன்) 10:11, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree: According to WP:BIO1E, 'If the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one, a separate article is generally appropriate.' The other reason is that the article Senkaku Islands dispute is not 'one event', but numorous events. David Chan is very famous for his role in the Diaoyu Islands protecting movement, not only for his own actions and death, but also for his influence in the movement. As this article exist in both Japanese and Chinese wikipedia, I don't think it can not exist in en wiki.Sgsg (talk) 15:49, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've clarified my reasoning above. Do you have sources for his notability outside his death (event)? Could it be that Baodiao movement or Action Committee for Defending the Diaoyu Islands are the right places rather than Senkaku Islands dispute? Can you translate per request quote above? It is possible to not exist in en.wiki despite zh.wiki per Zhan Qixiong. Widefox; talk 03:09, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:: Mr. Chan is notable for more than one event. He was a candidate in the 1991 Hong Kong Legislative Council election, for the Hong Kong Island West Constituency. He got 29,413 votes and did not get a seat. [1] In the 1995 Hong Kong Legislative Council election, Mr. Chan got 10,514 votes in the Financing, Insurance, Real Estate and Business Services functional constituency. --Mewaqua (talk) 05:26, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That clearly is short of notability in itself - being non-elected fails WP:POLITICIAN. Even if he had been elected, per WP:POLITICIAN "does not guarantee notability". I consider this is more than WP:NOT#NEWS, he is more notable himself than Zhan Qixiong, but just like Zhan Qixiong, its the event rather than a bio, so per Zhan Qixiong -> 2010 Senkaku boat collision incident its the event. Sources like [2] [3] [4] where he is only described with the event (as an activist). Widefox; talk 15:36, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree: Mr. Chan was famous and he was the first Chinese people sacrificed in Diaoyu Islands dispute. Also Chinese and Japanese version articles (both language reader stances are mostly opposite each other!) has been existing for a long time without dispute, there is no need to suggest deleting the English article. Ricky@36 (talk) 23:43, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BusterD (talk) 14:49, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Per the nomination. This fails politician and does indeed to be a fork from the main article. Capitalismojo (talk) 16:56, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/Redirect to Senkaku Islands dispute#Incidents at or near the islands. No need for the man to have his own article when the event and his accidental death (seriously, it had nothing to do with the Japanese!) can be covered in more depth in another article. Ansh666 00:28, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and improve - The event on September 26, 1996 is highly significant because it was the first time the protest that took the Chinese activists directly to the disputed islands; Chan's role is certainly a large one because he lost his life in that event, and tens of thousands of people mourned his death in Hong Kong (Source from Chicago Tribune). STSC (talk) 19:23, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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