Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carlton Street

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The result of the debate was KEEP (10 - keep, 5 -delete, 2 -redirect). Jinian 22:31, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I don't see why we need an encyclopedia article on an average Toronto street. Sorry if there's something interesting about this street I'm missing. ✏ OvenFresh² 20:28, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Delete unless further evidence is given as to why this street deserves an article any more than the street I live on, for example. -R. fiend 20:41, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Comment. There are a lot of recently added articles on Category:Toronto streets. I don't see why we need them either, but I don't have strong convictions either way. I am impressed by the thoroughness of the editors who are doing it, though. FreplySpang 20:46, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, major streets are encyclopedic. There are many good articles in Category:Toronto streets. - SimonP 01:03, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Notable street, in a major city of Soviet Canuckistan Klonimus 08:11, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, the street on which Maple Leaf Gardens is on is certainly important. - Earl Andrew 01:10, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Keep --Spinboy 01:13, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Most streets are not notable. Maple Leaf Gardens is notable, the street that it is on is not. DaveTheRed 02:30, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• If and only if it's deleted, merge and redirect to College Street (Toronto), a highly important landmark street of which it's the continuation. Samaritan 03:51, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • My vote is keep in the first place, btw. Samaritan 03:02, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Comment. What determines the notability of a road? There are many roads in Category:Toronto streets that I personally don't think are notable, including Transit Road, Brimley Road, Birchmount Road, Midland Avenue, Morningside Avenue (which even says, in the article, "there are no major attractions on the street"). Darkcore 06:57, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Anyone can do it, and if that person decides the road is not notable, it should be merged onto something that is notable, or listed on VfD. Radiant_* 13:27, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep —Michael Z. 2005-03-28 07:59 Z
• Merge with Maple Leaf Gardens. Radiant_* 08:24, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)
• Merge → College Street (Toronto). —Markaci 2005-03-28 T 16:29 Z
• Comment: Is every street that has one attraction on or near it encyclopedic? Wikipedia is not a roadmap, or worse yet, a description of a roadmap in prose form. At least maps are useful. Also, though it shouldn't be necessary to say so, wikipedia is not Torontopedia, though some people seem to be under the impression it is.-R. fiend 21:20, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Carlton Street is the continuation of College Street, which is a prominent thoroughfare in downtown Toronto with more than just MLG to its "claim to fame." An image would be very beneficial on its article. Regarding Torontopedia, see Province of Toronto. —Markaci 2005-03-28 T 22:06 Z
  • Though there's hardly any question that it's gotten overdone a bit, I'm frankly getting sick and tired of your repeated assertion that anybody who attempts to do the same kind of articles for Toronto that are already on Wikipedia for many cities in other countries is somehow imposing an excessively Canadian-centric agenda. You may disagree with the encyclopedic value of streets in general, but nobody fucking thinks this is the Torontopedia. Funnily enough, though, when people see articles like W. 21st St., Elveley Drive, Rigga Road and Arthur Avenue (The Bronx), they might be forgiven for thinking that equivalent things in Toronto are of at least equal notability. Bearcat 05:42, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Thank you. Those have been added to the discussion at Wikipedia:Deletion policy/Minor roads. Keep 'em coming. -R. fiend 07:06, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • "Already" being done for other cities? Show me one list comparable to List of Toronto, Ontario roads. -R. fiend 17:28, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • It's not about whether it's been done to the same extent'; the very first thing I say in my comment is that it's obviously been overdone here. It's about whether it's been done at all previously, which it has. The debate is about the encyclopedic value of streets in general. Nobody thinks Toronto streets are of special notability, over and above streets anywhere else, just because they're in Toronto. The person who created the extensive list of Toronto streets isn't even a Torontonian; he's just a person who believes that streets are inherently notable, and would just as readily do a list of streets in Cleveland or Atlanta if he knew those cities well enough. Bearcat 18:42, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Keep anything which would appear in a "Torontopedia" Kappa 22:21, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Or move it to the actual Torontopedia... *g* Bearcat 05:42, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Move Based on the above. If there is aleady a good place, why not use it?Vegaswikian 02:52, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Actually, people wanting to make articles on streets should go to Wikitravel instead. As Fiend says, Wikipedia is not a roadmap. Radiant_* 09:35, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete for the reasons listed above. Also it creates a MAJOR name space problem. What happens when a really notable street with the same name needs to be created? Do we have a disambg for virtually every street?Vegaswikian 07:58, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Delete or Merge with College Street (Toronto). --Calton | Talk 08:04, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Move to Carlton Street, Toronto, Ontario which is very specific (good) and not be bothered with notability (also, good). Do we really want to go through this fine-tooth combing whenever another Streetname article comes up? I didn't think so. Let's set up a speedy-delete for Streetname alone and have a rule requiring specificity such as Streetname, City/Town, State/Province and be done with this waste of keystrokes whenever someone thinks that their street is notable. hydnjo talk 19:01, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • I agree with Bearcat that all Streets/Roads are inherently notable. So here we are trying to decide if this street is notable enough. C'mon folks, this will just be vandal-bait, you know, my street is "longer" than your's. Lets set-up speedy-delete for all Streetnames (unless specific as to City/Town, State/Province), declare victory and do better stuff than this. hydnjo talk 19:52, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Actually I don't think that; I was referring to someone else. Bearcat 03:25, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Keep but consider a merge with one of the suggestions above. JYolkowski 00:03, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Harmless entry. Part of a larger project. Wikipedia is more than an academic encyclopedia. Wincoote 01:55, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Per Wincoote's reasoning Sniffandgrowl 01:17, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • User was created today; he has only two edits not to vfds, one of them to his user page. —Korath (Talk) 02:27, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Nothing notable about this street -- Webgeer 17:10, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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