Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brett Sutton

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:56, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Brett Sutton

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The only significant third party sourcing is an editorial about the subject and his previous criminal record WP:BLP1E Active Banana (bananaphone 23:35, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Notable triathlon coach for two reasons: has coached high profile professional triathletes, and the sexual abuse case. The case of sexual abuse case itself doesn't make him notable, it only raises his profile because he is considered a top level coach and has committed this type of crime. Here is some 3rd party coverage: [1], [2], [3], [4]. Other "blurbs" about him exist that support article content that he has coached different professional athletes, but are not listed here. Barkeep Chat | $ 14:37, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. —Grahame (talk) 00:10, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep (but...) (see note below --NSH001 (talk) 22:44, 10 January 2011 (UTC) ) Certainly a notable coach, he has coached many World and Olympic champions. Not only that, several of his formaer athletes are themsleves in turn now successful coaches, for example Ben Bright, or Siri Lindley, coach of current world champion Mirinda Carfrae. The article in its present form is of very little value, so I wouldn't be sad to see its demise. It is also a POV-magnet, mostly for Sutton's opponents. This is going to be a tricky one to get right, both because the sex conviction is an emotional subject, and the lack of high-quality sources on basic facts such as his date and place of birth, as well as the interesting earlier phases of his career. Neverthless there are more than enough sources to produce a decent article, but it needs to be done well, or not at all. Given Sutton's importance and significance in the triathlon world, it would be ludicrous not to have an article on him, so I will shortly be starting a sandbox version of an article on him in my user space. Given the difficulties I've mentioned, it may take a week or two to produce an article good enough for mainspace, but it will be done. --NSH001 (talk) 00:43, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The article as it is written does little more than name the subject as a sex offender. Sadly, this sort of offence is common and the subject, as a criminal, is no more notable than tens of thousands of other sex offenders. This is a BLP and as such we need to be sure that sources are of a high quality and that the subject is treated fairly. (Note: fair treatment does not mean whitewashing) Delete without prejudice to a recreation when better sources allow for an article that will avoid issues of WP:UNDUE. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 00:51, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 11:33, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete It's shocking and sad that he seems to still be working as a coach, but really WP is not a most wanted poster or a milk carton warning people about possible dangers in society. This seems to be the main point of the article. No real information on (or claim to) his importance as a coach. Wolfview (talk) 14:01, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment A different version of this article existed recently until the changes were reverted. Although this version still needed work, there was a little more weight put on his coaching career. Barkeep Chat | $ 14:16, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • reply to comment - it placed a little more weight, but all of that weight was unsupported by any actual citations. Active Banana (bananaphone 19:34, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sources are available for the content on that version. Barkeep Chat | $ 22:19, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note OK, I've now started a sandbox version of the article at User:NSH001/sandbox. I reckon it covers the sex offences part pretty thoroughly, and in a strictly NPOV manner. It still needs several days' work to expand the triathlon section to give proper weight to that part of the article. Either the article can be kept as it is, and I will paste my version on top of it when I think it's ready for mainspace, or it can be deleted, then I will move my version into mainspace when ready. My preference is for deletion, as I see nothing worth keeping in the current version or its edit history, but I will leave the decision up to the closing admin, and possibly other editors. It might be best to wait a few days to allow consensus to emerge regarding my proposal. --NSH001 (talk) 22:44, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, per WP:BLP1E. We wouldn't even be having this discussion if the sexual abuse issue didn't exist. Lankiveil (speak to me) 23:12, 13 January 2011 (UTC).[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Cirt (talk) 17:00, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - He is a notable coach. References demonstrate that he passes WP:GNG. Kugao (talk) 19:51, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete simply being a coach is not enough. sources verify this but not indepth. not enough indepth coverage about him. LibStar (talk) 01:26, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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