Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Braydon Szafranski

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The result was delete. Black Kite (talk) 20:59, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Braydon Szafranski

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I have been discussing this BLP with a colleague of mine from the Skateboarding Wikiproject and neither of us could find anything to substantiate notability. There's lots of passing mentions in videos or in relation to the work of his sponsors but just being a sponsored pro skateboarder isn't really enough for someone to be considered notable. There's one primary source interview and one article from Skateboarder Magazine. Not really enough to get us to WP:GNG just yet. He might be notable one day, but I don't think we've arrived at that day just yet. Stalwart111 06:50, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 09:01, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nevada-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 09:01, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I didn't find anything to show he meets any notability standards. Jakejr (talk) 01:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, T C N7JM 09:56, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The two references above from Stalwart seem to meet the minimum set out in WP:BASIC for media coverage. In addition, the article states that Szafranski won the "best rookie award" at the TransWorld Skateboard Awards. Now I know nothing of professional skateboarding, but these award purport to be the most significant awards event in the industry. Therefore, if true, the subject would also be notable as per WP:ANYBIO for winning a significant award. CooperDB (talk) 12:18, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

With respect, gotta disagree with you there. Believe me, as a member of the project I'd love for more semi-pro (a more apt description in this case) skateboarders to be notable. The interview is a primary source - hardly independent secondary coverage of the subject and such interviews have consistently been rejected as adequate coverage on that basis (see, for example, this AFD where I came at it from the same place as you). The award really isn't a big deal - it's one magazine's view of the world as judged by its own staff. The party is actually a bigger deal. ROTY usually goes to someone who is new and made the cover of their magazine for the first time (see 2011 and 2012). You're welcome to disagree; that's probably just an extended version of my rationale. I'd love to be wrong, so feel free to prove me so! Cheers, Stalwart111 12:38, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Meh, the interview is clearly not a "primary source". ESPN exerts editorial control of what they publish, and if they decide this guy is notable enough to conduct an interview with and publish on their web site, then that is good enough to make it a reliable, secondary source. Any decent biographic article is going to interview the subject if possible - that doesn't at all invalidate the "independent" criteria of WP:RS (seeWP:INDEPENDENT). As for the award, thanks for enlightening me on the nature of it. Perhaps then the subject doesn't meet the award criteria, but still meets the minimum for WP:BASIC so my opinion remains unchanged. Perhaps your project should look at establishing some notability guidelines for Skateboarders for Wikipedia:Notability (sports) to make these decisions clearer? Cheers. CooperDB (talk) 13:08, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it has been discussed, mostly because a lack of guidelines leads to inconsistencies like the one I pointed out above. Anyway, I'm obviously not going to fight hard to delete something I'd rather see kept anyway - I nominated it because consensus has been that such skaters are not notable and our project should be upholding that. Appreciate your input! Stalwart111 13:33, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Lacks the independent coverage required for WP:GNG. The ESPN interview is not independent because it was done at the ESPN sponsored X-Games.204.126.132.231 (talk) 21:01, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The coverage (from Feb. 2012) was not "done at the ESPN sponsored X-Games" which as far as I can tell takes place in the summer for skateboarding but rather the interview just appears under the X Games section of their website where all their skateboard coverage goes. Further, the same news was also covered by Yahoo! Sports in any case. CooperDB (talk) 15:00, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 20:11, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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