Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bill Heindl Sr.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Consensus among the participants is that the article passes WP:GNG, thanks to the expansion by User:Cbl62. (non-admin closure) BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:43, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bill Heindl Sr. (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:NHOCKEY, and I would argue WP:GNG. He did not play in the top level of hockey, and while he had awards, they are for non-notable, minor leagues. I would also argue that induction into the Manitoba Hockey Hall of Fame is also not significant notability, especially with the recent tightening of notability criteria. Kaiser matias (talk) 16:58, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Ice hockey, and Canada. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:11, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Agree on all counts; two undistinguished seasons in the WHL don't cut it. I go a bit beyond thinking that the Manitoba Hockey Hall of Fame doesn't confer notability; it's a minor institution, its inclusion in so many articles has always stuck in my craw, and the article itself is a hot mess with only primary sources. No prejudice against merging and redirecting to his son's article. Ravenswing 17:19, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Might be notable if we had decent sourcing, but we don't. I can't find much [1] is about it. Oaktree b (talk) 22:32, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Heindl appears to barely meet GNG as a professional athlete in football, in addition to playing semi-professional ice hockey. He is also inducted into multiple halls of fame, and had a lengthy career as a civil servant. Manitoba Sports Hall of FameObituary Flibirigit (talk) 11:12, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  ... most of which fulfills no notability criteria. Certainly with the deprecation of participation standards, having played in a single season of CFL football for Winnipeg in 1942 (which wasn't actually a professional year, but was a series of local exhibition matches between the Bombers and the "RCAF Bombers") comes nowhere close. Do you have any links providing WP:SIGCOV to the subject? Ravenswing 13:05, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - I was able to find coverage that is at least borderline passing GNG. First of all, he got a lot of coverage across Canada for jumping from the QSHL to the Western Canada Senior Hockey League, nearly causing the QSHL to withdraw from the Canadian Amateur Hockey Association ([2], [3], [4], [5], and a lot of others). And there is other coverage about him, such as [6], [7] and [8], plus Oaktree b's and Flibirigit's. Even if not kept, this should be redirected to his son's article which mentions him, and some additional information about him could be added. Rlendog (talk) 16:18, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 18:29, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep with the new sources found, presented above. Just enough for GNG. Played a big part in the Quebec league almost folding/withdrawing as above. Oaktree b (talk) 18:37, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Quite an intriguing character, competing professionally in two different sports. He played professional football at the halfback position for Vancouver in 1941, led two different junior hockey clubs to Memorial Cup championships, served in the Royal Canadian Navy during WWII, and played five years of professional hockey with the Saskatoon Quakers after the war. There are > 2,000 hits from Canadian newspapers reporting on him during the 1940s and 1950s. I've begun a rewrite and have added some sourcing which should be sufficient to pass WP:GNG. Cbl62 (talk) 17:30, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Good save and rewrite, clearly passes GNG now. Jenks24 (talk) 23:07, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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