Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alex Bono

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The result was keep. Shii (tock) 16:05, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Alex Bono

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PROD contested by article creator, no reason provided. Original deletion rationale that this fails WP:GNG (no significant coverage) and WP:NFOOTBALL (no professional or international appearances) remains valid. Giant Snowman 12:42, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Everymorning talk 13:29, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - He has not played in a fully pro league or received significant coverage, meaning the article fails WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:44, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Meets WP:NCOLLATH by being a first-team All-American (see [1]). Plus, from a quick Google search I found a number of references that shows he meets WP:GNG for things such as being finalist for Hermann Trophy (see [2] and [3]), being part of national team camp (see [4] and [5]), being a first round MLS draft pick (see [6] and [7]), signing with Generation Adidas (see [8] and [9]) and general coverage (see [10]). RonSigPi (talk) 03:52, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) WP:NCOLLATH requires that an athlete win a national award or gain "national media attention as an individual, not just as a player for a notable team." Being named to the 1st All-American team doesn't confer the individual notability required. Not winning an award also fails to confer notability, no matter how notable the award is, as WP:GNG must still be met; all the references merely provide routine coverage. WP:NFOOTY requires actually competing in a FIFA tier 1 match or in a WP:FPL to be considered notable. — Jkudlick ^tc_s 20:55, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NCOLLATH gives awards listed in Template:College Football Awards as example national awards. Being an All-American is the fifth award listed so I think its pretty clear that meets that metric. While I think there can be dispute on what level of All-American counts (1st team vs. honorable mention or AP (NCAA recognized) vs. ESPN (non-NCAA recognized) I think clearly being a 1st team member from the major selection body counts (note NSCAA All-Americans have their own article List of NCAA Division I men's soccer First-Team All-America teams). Moreover, since only one goalkeeper is selected on the All-American 1st team that is the same as being "national goalkeeper of the year" and that is an equivalent positional award to say the Doak Walker Award. RonSigPi (talk) 23:17, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep –per sources found by RonSigPi. – Margin1522 (talk) 07:34, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails WP:NFOOTBALL as he hasn't played in a fully professional league and he doesn't have any senior international caps. IJA (talk) 19:56, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep - Article fails WP:NFOOTBALL and I doubt it meets WP:NCOLLATH. However it appears to meet WP:GNG based on the sources found by RonSigPi. – Michael (talk) 20:47, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – (edit conflict) Fails WP:NCOLLATH for the reasons I stated above, fails WP:NFOOTY for not yet competing in a WP:FPL or in a FIFA tier 1 match, and fails WP:GNG as all coverage is WP:ROUTINE. — Jkudlick ^tc_s 20:55, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep - Passes WP:NCOLLATH, needs improving to show GNG. Fenix down (talk) 13:27, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I think he does pass GNG with some (not all) of RonSigPi provided, as well as articles like this from NBC Sports. Also, being a first-team All-American from a prominently-recognized source ABSOLUTELY meets WP:NCOLLATH, we use it for basketball and American football all the time. You could argue that soccer doesn't get the same level of media coverage as those two sports, but as of now the guideline doesn't differentiate specific sports. As an aside, I always find it funny when we see a case like this who has been drafted/signed and hasn't yet played for his new club. The MLS season starts the first week in March, you could conceivably delete this article only to recreate it in a month. Will this guy suddenly meet GNG merely by stepping on the field for Toronto FC? No, the SSGs exist because the presumption is people who play a these levels generate the press sufficient to meet GNG - which this guy has (even if barely). Rikster2 (talk) 21:27, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The sources aren't in there byt GNG looks met after poking around Google News for 30 seconds.Cptnono (talk) 08:18, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep Per RonSigPi Quidster4040 (talk) 19:33, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Per RonSigPi.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 01:59, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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