Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/21st Century Breakdown World Tour (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Stifle (talk) 10:00, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

21st Century Breakdown World Tour

Non-notable tour, at least as of now. It contains only a list of performance dates, and the tour hasn't even started. Any available information from reliable sources tells only of the dates and locations of shows on the tour. Other than that, it receives almost no coverage in reliable sources. The article cannot, as of now, be more than just a list of dates and locations. Tim meh !_{(review me)} 18:09, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 18:18, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I really don't see how any concert tour is worthy of an article, unless in exceptional circumstances. As pointed out, the only coverage is related to advertising the tour dates rather than any sort of review of the tour. I'm also amazed that the article was kept after the first AfD, despite only getting two comments, one of which from an IP with only 6 edits. Nouse4aname (talk) 18:58, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above, tours are almost inherently not notable. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 21:58, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep based on the sources presented in the last AFD. Umbralcorax (talk) 23:36, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

None of which gives any more information than tour dates. (Oh, and did I mention that Green Day makes my ears bleed? :-P )Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 23:45, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You did, multiple times. We won't hold it against you or your otters though. :) Tim meh !_{(review me)} 23:59, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Or my cluebat, I hope. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 00:21, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

...or your cluebat. We can't forget Cheyenne. Tim meh !_{(review me)} 00:26, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Nothing of note, just a list of advertised dates, totally ~~encyclopedic~~ unencyclopedic. Trevor Marron (talk) 00:32, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don't you mean unencyclopedic? Tim meh !_{(review me)} 00:37, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yep that as well! I am on BST here (UTC +1), it's late..... Trevor Marron (talk) 00:48, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Green Day are a significant act and the tour is extensive and therefore I think it warrants being kept. Eldumpo (talk) 12:02, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

May I ask on what policy or guideline you're basing your keep rationale? Tim meh !_{(review me)} 19:28, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

General notability, there are lots of Google hits for the tour. Also, re original poster comment, the pre-tour warm ups have all now happened, and the main tour is due to start in only a few weeks. Eldumpo (talk) 22:37, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Those hits are just lists of shows and their dates. No reliable sources are talking about anything other than tour dates and locations because they can't. The tour hasn't even started yet. Tim meh !_{(review me)} 00:39, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone doubt that the tour will gain notability when it actually starts in less than 1 month? I don't think guidelines have been technically been met, but I am inclined to adopt a keep for now approach since it is highly unlikely that the tour won't become notable and the start date is not very far off. In the unlikely event the tour doesn't generate reliable source reviews it can always be deleted later. Put differently, I just don't see a point in voiding the work put into the article just to have the thing recreated in ~3 weeks when it is nearly certain to gain official notability then. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:36, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SilkTork *^YES! 18:54, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I think its name is "21st Century Breakdown Tour", but I don't know if that gets it any more reliable sources. Abductive (talk) 00:06, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps it could be userfied? It does seem likely that it may become notable after a while. Abductive (talk) 00:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That is an agreeable option. I wouldn't object to userfication until the article becomes notable. Tim meh !_{(review me)} 00:46, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.