Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2023 El Paso shooting

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Cielo Vista Mall. I see a consensus to Merge. If you would prefer different target, that can be discussed on the article talk page or you could merge different parts of the article (or the basic details) to different target articles.

As an aside, it's predictable but sad that we associate an acceptable level of notability based on the number of fatalities in an attack. Notability shouldn't rest on a high body count. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:46, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2023 El Paso shooting (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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This is not a notable shooting with only one death. The significance of this shooting comes from its connection to the 2019 El Paso shooting, elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 14:27, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Shopping malls and United States of America. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 14:27, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to 2019 El Paso shooting. —Locke Cole • t • c 16:54, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime, Events, and Texas. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:42, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of mass shootings in the United States in 2023 for now. Since the only known link to the 2019 shooting currently is the location, it's not particularly appropriate to include there. Obviously, this can be revisited later once more information is released, but I doubt it will be within the timeframe of this AfD. ansh.666 18:13, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Merging to the mall article also makes sense to me. ansh.666 21:50, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - articles on mass shootings are generally assumed to be notable if there was at least one death. By this logic, lots of other articles on mass shootings would be deleted as well. The notability of this shooting is not dependent on the El Paso shooting (so if this took place in Gladstone, Michigan, would no one care?). The article needs expansion sure, but give it some time; this is a developing story. Crusader1096 (message) 19:29, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  articles on mass shootings are generally assumed to be notable if there was at least one death - this is clearly not true if you look at the lists of mass shootings. The majority of incidents with deaths don't have articles. ansh.666 19:40, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Still, there are two other people who are in critical condition. Crusader1096 (message) 20:12, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Where is that written? -- Veggies (talk) 03:23, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep or merge - Keep, or merge into Cielo Vista Mall, which is where the shooting actually took place. --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:47, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - No lasting effect can be plausibly expected from this. It's not even notable enough to be mentioned in the mall article, except maybe in one sentence. -- Veggies (talk) 03:23, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or merge to 2019 El Paso shooting, Cielo Vista Mall, and/or List of mass shootings in the United States in 2023 per everyone else. Love of Corey (talk) 04:02, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Cielo Vista Mall Half-kratos21 (talk) 00:55, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Cielo Vista Mall. He didn't beat the high score so no point in trying to make an article about it. 2A0E:97C0:470:0:0:0:0:27 (talk) 04:25, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or merge to Cielo Vista Mall and/or List of mass shootings in the United States in 2023 article. Yodabyte (talk) 05:03, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - In response to lasting effect it states that "It may take weeks or months to determine whether or not an event has a lasting effect. This does not, however, mean recent events with unproven lasting effect are automatically non-notable." With that said, this shooting only happened a few days ago. It is too soon to determine the lasting effect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Digitialwritinghjm (talk • contribs) 16:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  The shooting actually happened more than a week ago. Yodabyte (talk) 04:03, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.