Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2021 Optimum Aviation Antonov An-26 crash

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Now that we're almost a month into the time period since this crash happened, it's not been expanded and nothing presented here in the keeps or weak keeps convinces me that this specific crash is notable enough to merit it's own article. Happy if someone wants a redirect to the An-26 page, however. But, at this point, delete.

Thank you everyone for participating and assuming good faith! If you disagree with this closure, please take your concerns to Deletion Review prior to my talk page. Thanks again and happy holidays! Missvain (talk) 01:26, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2021 Optimum Aviation Antonov An-26 crash (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

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Cargo plane crashes are very common and rarely notable. Wikipedia is not a newspaper also applies. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:20, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:20, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:20, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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• Comment - Isn't this really a situation where we should wait and see? The crash happened yesterday. Per WP:RAPID, "As there is no deadline, it is recommended to delay the nomination for a few days to avoid the deletion debate dealing with a moving target and to allow time for a clearer picture of the notability of the event to emerge". If this results in changes in e.g., Sudanese law then we may be in a position to better judge just how WP:LASTING this turns out to be. FOARP (talk) 10:32, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep for now. Impossible to determine whether an event will have WP:SUSTAINED coverage when it happened yesterday. Editors would be more inclined to work on it too if it wasn't threatened with deletion so quickly. NemesisAT (talk) 10:36, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment There is no relevant notability guideline for aircrashes as a stand alone article, WP:AIRCRASH suggests using WP:GNG and WP:NOTNEWS. I'm not convinced this is a notable incident but there are many similar articles on aircrashes on wikipedia. I don't think this is an easy one to call either way, it has received significant coverage in the specialised aviation press but not in maintstream media. WCM_email 10:46, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep for now. Agree with NemesisAT. It's too rush to say delete.Tupolev154Crash (talk) 19:12, 3 November 2021 (UTC) Striking !vote by blocked sock. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:36, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Draftify - if it's WP:TOOSOON to say whether or not there will be sustained coverage, then it's also TOOSOON to retain in mainspace. Draftify while we see if coverage emerges. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 08:37, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The An-26 aircraft enough huge, and similar type accidents already have some pages on Wikipedia. To be honest, I don't know why some people like delete other people's article so quickly? I remember before 2020, there's not a lot admin delete other users article so quick? Why admin or some people like delete other people article so quickly recent times? I think the WIKI:NOT NEWS is an abuse reason for some guys101.10.2.232 (talk) 03:12, 9 November 2021 (UTC)— 101.10.2.232 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
• Weak keep Pages for AN-26 aircraft accidents exist. I think it may qualify as airline aircraft accident under WP:AIRCRASH, but also the airline isn't significant enough to be notable on Wikipedia. But other AN-26 aircraft accident articles are also operated by airlines that don't have a page on Wikipedia. --𝕒𝕥𝕠𝕞𝕚𝕔𝕕𝕣𝕒𝕘𝕠𝕟𝟙𝟛𝟞 🗨️ 🖊️ 00:01, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as with most non-passenger cargo flights they are very rarely of note and I dont see anything here that makes it notable enough for a stand-alone article. MilborneOne (talk) 16:36, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: While editors may cite an essay as to why they believe what they do, the presence of an essay on notability does not, on its own, justify keeping an article. Sufficient sources must be found to demonstrate notability under community accepted guidelines and policies.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 17:51, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak delete: There are like 100 incidents of this type of aircraft listed on the Antonov_An-26 page. Many are crashes, with many deaths. It seems very unlikely that this particular crash will have any detailed investigation or lasting impact. -- Bob drobbs (talk) 18:24, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment WP:AIRCRASH mentions commercial flights, but in terms of Wikipedia notability, does a flight operated by an airline company that isn't notable on Wikipedia qualify as a commercial flight? If no, I would change my stance to delete. I don't think much noteworthy investigation will be done on this accident. I would also question the notability of the other AN-26 accident articles like others have mentioned. ==𝕒𝕥𝕠𝕞𝕚𝕔𝕕𝕣𝕒𝕘𝕠𝕟𝟙𝟛𝟞 🗨️ 🖊️ 22:14, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as per MilborneOne. Stifle (talk) 14:29, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 22:58, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep An 26 enough huge plane 223.136.230.84 (talk) 11:12, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Meh 223.136.229.251 (talk) 11:22, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - What coverage has this crash received in South Sudan or other parts of East Africa? It's a linguistically diverse region so it's possible that significant coverage given may not be in a language familiar to most editors. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 06:12, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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