Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2020 FIA Formula One World Championship

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus is that there are not yet enough sources discussing this championship in particular to write an article on it. Once more becomes available, the article can be recreated. Anyone wanting to work on this in user space in the meantime can ask me for a copy. – filelakeshoe (t / c)  21:40, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2020 FIA Formula One World Championship

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As per WP:TOOSOON — the championship is still two and a half years away. Most of the content of the article duplicates 2019 FIA Formula One World Championship and whatever content is unique to the article is unsourced, speculative and bordering on original research. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 21:10, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Prisonermonkeys: to help editors understand your concerns can you please describe:

Which parts of the article you think are unsourced
Which parts of the article you think speculative
Which parts of the article you think are bordering on original research

-- DeFacto (talk). 21:16, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I can answer numbers 1 and 2 together: the additions of Aston Martin Racing and Stefan Grand Prix to the driver table and the races in Indonesia, Denmark and the Nertherlands are all unsourced, and they are all speculative. The addition of Aston Martin replacing Red Bull, but nevertheless using Red Bull engines is original research because it synthesises a variety of rumours together. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 21:31, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Prisonermonkeys: so why not just fix those few trivial points or take them to the article talkpage for discussion - rather than trying to get the whole article deleted? -- DeFacto (talk). 21:35, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Because even without that content it's WP:TOOSOON to be creating this article. Like I said, it just recreates 2019 FIA Formula One World Championship and then adds unsourced and speculative material. An AfD is entirely justified. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 21:38, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Prisonermonkeys: assuming we make sure that all the content is verifiable, including removing or notably attributing any speculation, and given the near certainty that the event will take place, what persuades you that it is too soon for this article? -- DeFacto (talk). 21:47, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's still two and a half years away. If there was some significant addition, then of course we could reassess, even if that addition was announced tomorrow. But right now, the article has no encyclopaedic value. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 21:53, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think the main Wikipedia criteria for whether a new article is encyclopaedic is whether the topic passes the WP:Notability test. And this topic appears to me to satisfy WP:GNG in that there is significant coverage of it in reliable sources, so therefore I would say it is a suitable topic for a new article. -- DeFacto (talk). 22:04, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Consider 2019–20 Formula E season, which was recently kept after an AfD. It is about events two years in the future, but is notable for the planned addition of Mercedes and Porsche to the grid. This article is about events two years in the future, but does not have any significant addition(s) relative to the 2019 article and therefore has been created WP:TOOSOON. About the closest it comes to a significant addition is the announcement of the Copenhagen bid, but that still needs to go through feasability studies and get domestic approval before the FIA will even consider it. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 23:12, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:TOOSOON....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 21:58, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. This is way WP:TOOSOON. – Sabbatino (talk) 06:26, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, because unlike the Formula E article, there is no different information available between F1 2019 article and F1 2020 article. Until this information becomes available, this page should not exist Pch187 (talk) 06:58, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as the nominator was unable to demonstrate any policy-based reason for not keeping the article, and that is what is required for a deletion request to succeed. WP:TOOSOON has been mentioned, but that is an essay relying on this policy-based statement: "Generally speaking, the various notability criteria that guide editors in creating articles, require that the topic being considered be itself verifiable in independent secondary reliable sources." As it is clear that this article satisfies the policy on notability, specifically from WP:GNG that it has gained sufficient coverage in reliable sources, then there is no apparent justification for deletion. -- DeFacto (talk). 07:54, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: no basis in policy? I specifically mentioned the lack of sourced content and the speculative nature of that content. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 08:05, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment, @Prisonermonkeys: which policies say that if some of the content lacks a source or is speculative the article has to be deleted rather than improved? The main test for inclusion of an article about a future event is WP:Notability, and the subject of this article easily satisfies WP:GNG, so is an acceptable subject for an article as far as I can tell. PM, I suggest you read Wikipedia:DEL-REASON, and then, if you still think this article should be deleted, come back with a policy-based rationale. -- DeFacto (talk). 10:59, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete; After removing the unsourced and unverified, we are left with 3 teams, one driver, and 14 tracks, all of whom are only sourced to declarations of "multi-year" contracts (and two of which, Spain and Mexico, cite sources which state the contracts expire before 2020). There has been little to no coverage of the 2020 season specifically in reliable sources. OZOO (t) (c) 12:46, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:45, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:45, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Way to soon. Not enough specific information for this event has been published. One article on the upcoming season is already quite a task to manage. Two is already over the limit. Three is just overkill.T v x1 11:48, 29 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete way too soon. We normally create season articles about ~18 months beforehand, anytime before that and there isn't enough concrete, sourced information. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:18, 29 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: there is an almost identical AfD being discussed here for the 2019 FIA Formula One World Championship. -- DeFacto (talk). 09:49, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - WP:TOOSOON for sure. Once more information is confirmed it will be worth having but right now there isn't enough for the article. -- Dane ^talk 00:50, 1 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:TOOSOON. power~enwiki (π, ν) 16:37, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.