User talk:HistoryofIran/Archive 9

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Copying from ANEW for the record:

... HistoryofIran has made 7 reverts here [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], the last 6 of them within a span of 12 hours. ... HistoryofIran, I want to be clear: If others' continued edit-warring hadn't forced me to fully protect this page, I would be blocking you. And I'm not sure I'd be wrong to even now, with five previous (non-rescinded) edit-warring blocks, even if not recent. 6RR on a sensitive topic in a high-visibility article is not acceptable. Please consider this a warning.

-- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 20:08, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

I understand, thanks! --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:04, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Many efforts have been made to add local fonts, I have stopped them, but now they have added the Kurdish Iranian girl, which is not useful in my opinion. He is Iranian and emphasized that it is strange

The Mahsa Amini protests are an ongoing series of protests and civil unrest against the government of Iran that began in Tehran on 16 September 2022. The protests began as a reaction to the death of Mahsa Amini (Persian: مهسا امینی), a 22-year-old Iranian Kurdish woman who died while in police custody. According to eyewitnesses, she was beaten by the Guidance Patrol, the Islamic "morality police" of Iran, Mitrayasna (talk) 20:34, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Mitrayasna, please be aware of WP:CANVASS. That said, I would have reverted it anyways per MOS:ETHNICITY. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:39, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

hi HistoryofIran, Iranian Kurdish has been used in other parts (Background) Mitrayasna (talk) 20:50, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Well, MOS:ETHNICITY doesn't apply there, and I don't mind that being mentioned there. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:07, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

ok thank you Mitrayasna (talk) 21:09, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Ummm hi yeah, so what's the problem with mentioning the fact that she is from a Kurdish region, exactly? Thanks. 98.155.8.5 (talk) 22:50, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

What? You didn't notice the three times that MOS:ETHNICITY was mentioned? I have reported you for edit warring. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:52, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

So is that a reason for not including her Kurdish name, really? Cheers. 98.155.8.5 (talk) 23:32, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

I didn't revert you for her name [8] [9]. Though you still need WP:CONSENSUS for the name part, which I'm indifferent about in that article (and thus don't want to take part in), partially due to being exhausted by this trivial nonsense. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:37, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

I agree that it's trivial and don't really understand the big deal about including her name. : ) Cheers! 98.155.8.5 (talk) 23:47, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Oh please, its not trivial for you if you keep attempting to add it one way or another, and in two different articles a that. HistoryofIran (talk)

Right, I mean it seems trivial overall, and I don't understand the big deal or push to omit her name. I mean, this is someone's name! Why is it so controversial to some folks? It seems pretty basic to include a person's name(s) when writing about them. Cheers. 98.155.8.5 (talk) 00:22, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

I believe several users have attempted to explain to you "why" yet you keep repeating "I don't understand" or something similar. --HistoryofIran (talk) 09:38, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

You reverted my edit on the Death of Mahsa Amini when I tried to put the "died of a heart attack" in the lead section because just adding "allegedly died on police brutality" may be supporting the protestors side and not adding the police's claim. Muhafiz-e-Pakistan (talk) 17:49, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Read the lede, the police claim is literally mentioned a line below, and per the article is also heavily doubted by other sources (anyone that values human life). Also, notice it says allegedly, thus it's not represented as a fact. Don't come to my talk page again, use the article talk page next time. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:00, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

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Hello how are you thanks for your message but please let me know which one of my changes are inappropriate or incorrect Thank you Because as I know ibn nadim used the Persian word fehrest(فهرست) in his work and he was very likely to be Persian Same for Farabi recent research shows he was a Persian I will thank you for answering me Good luck — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alihd23 (talk • contribs) 20:05, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

@Alihd23: Hi, the issue was that you altered sourced information. If you have reliable academic sources that says something else, please do add them. However, at the same time please don't disregard the other sources. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:11, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your response I'm not very obsessed with ethnicity of these scientifists but apparently historically both were Persians i read some small articles about them arguing their ethnicity with linguistic and Historical evidence i don't want to interfere inappropriately but i Suggest you to do a search to inform people with correct information again that you very much Alihd23 (talk) 20:28, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

For Farabi i only add his name in Persian because it was there before and someone eliminated that But i know you have to be strict about misinformation I won't interfere without having reliable resources anymore but how can i add resources to my changes? Thank you for your time Alihd23 (talk) 20:31, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Al-Farabi did not live under a Persian speaking government, nor did he write works in Persian, thus his name in Persian is irrelevant. What do you want to add? --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:44, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

I wanted to add this

Scholars have disputed his ethnic origin. Some claimed he was Turkish but more recent research points to him being a Persian (Rudolph 2017: 536–45)

From Stanford philosophy site Alihd23 (talk) 16:43, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

I see. Can you link the source? --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:46, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

Rudolph, Ulrich, 2017, “Abû Nasr al-Fârâbî”, in Philosophy in the Islamic World, (Volume 1: 8th-–10th Centuries), Ulrich Rudolph, Rotraud Hansberger & Peter Adamson (eds.), Leiden: Brill, pp. 526–654.

I think this is the source Alihd23 (talk) 17:35, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

I have added it for you [10]. I highly advise to you look at Wikipedia:Good articles and Wikipedia:Featured articles to get a good grip on how information and sources can be added into an article. Also, beware that copy pasting is not allowed, per WP:COPYVIO. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:52, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much I really like to be active in Wikipedia but unfortunately I don't have enough time but I'm really interested in History philosophy literature especially Persian literature logic medicine physics and science Alihd23 (talk) 20:18, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

But about ibn nadim I find this source about his ethnicity please check it and if you find it useful add it to his wiki page thank you very much Some scholars regard him as a Persian (Gray, p. 24; Nicholson, p. 362), but this is not certain. However, his choice of the rather rare Persian word pehrest/fehrest/fehres/fahrasat (cf. comments by W. Henning quoted in Borhān-e Qāṭeʿ, ed. M. Moʿīn , p. 1509, n. 1) for the title of a handbook on Arabic literature is noteworthy in this regard. Alihd23 (talk) 20:42, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

The source of it is encyclopedia iranica Alihd23 (talk) 20:44, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi how are you Can i add this to Abū Hayyān al-Tawhīdī page? Alihd23 (talk) 20:46, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Al-Tawhidi was an Arabic litterateur and philosopher, probably of Persian origin, and author of numerous books which reflect all the main themes of debate and reflection in the cultivated circles of his time. His basic outlook could be defined as a kind of simplified and vulgarized Neoplatonism, influenced by Gnostic elements, with four hypostases: God, Intellect, Soul and Nature. He also has a strong interest in moral questions on both the individual and social level.

'Ali ibn Muhammad Abu Hayyan al-Tawhidi was probably of Persian origin. However, Arabic is the only language he is known to have used, and most of his life was spent in Baghdad and in Rayy (Tehran) at the court of the Buyid princes and their ministers, in particular the famous Ibn Sa'dan. It is in the latter's presence that the discussions recorded in al-Imta' wa'-mu'anasa (Enjoyment and Conviviality) took place. His last years were spent in Shiraz, where he died in ah 414/ad 1023. From Muslimphilosophy.com Alihd23 (talk) 20:47, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Muslimphilosophy.com is not WP:RS (i.e. reliable). And again, please do not disregard already mentioned sourced information. Please see WP:RS and WP:NPOV. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:49, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks i didn't disregard already mentioned information i just added something from that site Alihd23 (talk) 21:06, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

You wrote it as he was more likely Persian than Arab. The correct way to write it in that case would be that he was 'Arab or Persian'. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:08, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

But the reference of this article is Routledge at the end of the article Isn't Routledge a reliable and accepted reference? Alihd23 (talk) 21:15, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

It is, but nothing suggests that https://muslimphilosophy.org/ is. It is very easy to create a website and claim a bunch of stuff. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:17, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

You seemed some kind of expert in this work? Are you a professor or skilled researcher or just an interested person? Alihd23 (talk) 21:18, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Ehh, none of them I guess? I'm just a regular bloke. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:24, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

U know I myself am probably of arabic descent but as i study history of science and philosophy many persian philosophers and scientist were assumed arab and i think Wikipedia has a very important role in clarification of this thing although the most important thing is to study the opinions of this scientists and philosophers and they were human beings of course Alihd23 (talk) 21:24, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for guiding me and please revise and correct me if i made a mistake thanks again Alihd23 (talk) 21:26, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello there Can u please read this and add it to ibn nadim biography wiki if u find it correct Little is known about the life of Ibn an-Nadīm. Some historians give his ancestry as Persian , but this is not certain. However, the choice of the rarely used Persian word pehrest (fehrest/fehres/fahrasat) as the title for a handbook on Arabic literature is noteworthy in this context Alihd23 (talk) 18:09, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Alihd23 (talk) 18:10, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello Alihd23. Where did you find this information? I can see that article isn't protected, so you should have access to edit it yourself, respectfully. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:52, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Werner Sundermann : Al-Fehrest. In: Encyclopedia Iranica. Ehsan Yarshater, accessed 15 August 2010 (English, [...] Some scholars regard him as a Persian (Gray, p. 24; Nicholson, p. 362), but this is not certain. However, his choice of the rather rare Persian word pehrest/fehrest/fehres/fahrasat (cf. comments by W. Henning quoted in Borhān-e Qāṭeʿ, ed. M. Moʿīn, p. 1509, n. 1) for the title of a handbook on Arabic literature is noteworthy in this regard This is the source of the information i don't know how to add it please read it and if you find it correct add it yourself thanks Alihd23 (talk) 09:30, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't want to take part in this. You will have to add it yourself. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:25, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello dear! All my changes in an article was removed by you!!!. Can I ask the reason Mohammad hassani balochistani (talk) 17:48, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello there how are you can you please tell me which article was it? Alihd23 (talk) 23:52, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello there historyofIran thanks for your comment on my edit on Avicenna page but his autobiography is written in Persian and i couldn't find an English source for it to add it on citations but his autobiography is very beautiful although the biography part on his Wikipedia page is written beautifully too but i think it's very good to add his own autobiography too thanka again Alihd23 (talk) 22:47, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello there historyofIran thanks for your comment on my edit on Avicenna page but his autobiography is written in Persian and i couldn't find an English source for it to add it on citations but his autobiography is very beautiful although the biography part on his Wikipedia page is written beautifully too but i think it's very good to add his own autobiography too thanka again Alihd23 (talk) 22:48, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

I had a question from you R U Iranian? Alihd23 (talk) 22:52, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello can u please help with this? The only sources i found are written in Persian Alihd23 (talk) 10:21, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

I read the passage in the link about sources but i don't know how to add Persian sources Alihd23 (talk) 10:23, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

What sources are those? They have to be reliable. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:49, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Good day HistoryofIran !! Hope you are doing well, back in December 2018, you uploaded a staue of Ghurid emperor Ghiyasuddin Ghuri - at Wikimedia commons; do you have a statue or a bust of his younger sibling Muhammad of Ghor as well ? Cheers. ∆ P&t ♀√ (talk) 10:24, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Packer&Tracker, thanks and likewise. Unfortunately not. In fact, I don't ever recall seeing a statue/bust of Muhammad of Ghor, which is strange. You would think there would be more representations of the more famous brother. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:41, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: Indeed; not astonished though that you never saw any of his representations, considering that we don't even have his original tomb, apart from the fabricated (frankly propagandist); one at Damyak. I think the younger one (Md. Ghuri) is far more august then the elder one (Ghiyas. Ghuri) - no brainer there and that's even more flabbergasting that we have any of his representations, Thanks. ∆ P&t ♀√ (talk) 11:14, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi. I understand you are reverting sock edits in this article, but you also seem to have removed legitimate additions like Burçin Mutlu-Pakdil and Naşide Gözde Durmuş [11] [12]. Those are two that I just noticed with a quick look. Would you mind going over your reverts and restoring legitimate ones? Thanks. Bogazicili (talk) 18:55, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi. Sorry, but I'm not going to show any leniency to a sock, especially one who has socked at least 5 times under a month. While some of his stuff may have been legitimate, his presence in Wikipedia is not. Feel free to restore what you think was legitimate, but we should try as much as possible to avoid encouraging socks to continue their activities. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:32, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't see every edit should be reversed here: "It isn't necessary or desirable to try to revert every single article edit the sock puppet has ever made." Wikipedia:Dealing_with_sockpuppets#Cleaning_up_after_a_sock_puppet_is_blocked. And my suggestion was for improving the article since you removed legitimate people from the list. Bogazicili (talk) 19:56, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

"This is an essay on conduct policy. It contains the advice or opinions of one or more Wikipedia contributors. This page is not an encyclopedia article, nor is it one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines, as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community. Some essays represent widespread norms; others only represent minority viewpoints." Also, this isn't your regular sock case, this is a guy who has socked 5 times in like 2 weeks, imagine if he continues like this for the next months. I could go on. Respectfully, I have better things to do than sit and analyse his mess even more. Again, feel free to restore what you think was legitimate. Bests. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:32, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Siege of Anamur. AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:33, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Do you think it is likely that there is a relationship between these article creations and this thread at WP:AN? ~~ AirshipJ29 (talk) 00:22, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Considering this is the second time BerkBerk68(first time herehere) has been found trying to organize an off wiki group, I would say yes. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:33, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29: Definitely. For example, BerkBerk was insistent in reducing the Mongol connection of the Timurid Empire, removing "Turco-Mongol" and instead adding "Turkic" [13], something (frankly bizarre) I don't think I've seen before in my 10 years here. Guess what? When Siege of Qarshi was created around the same time, more or less the exact thing was done [14] by Gokturklerrr (Timur was now a "Turkic" warlord instead of "Turco-Mongol"). When I tried to change it [15] [16] [17], I was reverted by another brand new user named Yeniseian [18] [19] (who later turned out to be a sock [20]). I also made a small comment here Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Gokturklerrr, you might find it of interest. --HistoryofIran (talk) 05:59, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

hi so I noticed that my edit on the battle of amritsar page got reverted due to the fact that the source I provided (Deep singh shaheed the man in the legend) is considered unreliable.How is it unreliable exactly? Tarunveer Singh Aujla (talk) 17:30, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi. Because the author is not even a historian, the book he published was something out of a hobby, see "Product description" [21]. See WP:RS for more information. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:01, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

oh ok sorry about that,next time I will make sure to verify the books author and his occupation.The info he provided in the book was for the most part accurate,so i assumed it would be acceptable. Tarunveer Singh Aujla (talk) 23:40, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

No problem, feel free to reach out to me again if you have other questions or alike. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:43, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

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سلام. میشه لطف کنید و متن زیر رو برا مقاله انگلیسی علی کریمی ترجمه کنید

فصل ۲۰۰۶-۲۰۰۵

کریمی پس از بازی دوستانه ایران و آلمان در سال ۲۰۰۴ در فهرست خرید بایرن مونیخ قرار گرفغت . (او در این مسابقه پس از ینس لمان ، بهترین نمره مجله کیکر را دریافت کرد). کریمی در بازی هفته اول بوندسلیگا در برابر بروسیا مونشن گلادباخ نیمه دوم وارد میدان شد. او در پیروزی ۵-۲ هفته دوم برابر بایر لورکوزن، با زدن یک گل و ارسال یک پاس گل پس از روی ماکای به عنوان بهترین بازیکن مسابقه شناخته شد. با گذشت شش هفته از لیگ، کریمی باارسال دومین پاس گل خود در بوندسلیگا زمینه ساز پیروزی ۱-۰ مقابل اینتراخت فرانکفورت شد و به عنوان بهترین بازیکن بایرن مونیخ شناخته شد.

او در هفته ۱۶ بوندسلیگا ، سومین پاس گل خود را در مقابل کایزرسلاترن ارسال کرد. با پایان رقابت های نیم فصل بوندسلیگا که با برتری ۲-۱ بایرن در مقابل بروسیا دورتموندهمراه بود ، کریمی بار دیگر گلزنی کرد. او همچنین در بازی هفته ۲۲ مسابقات بوندسل لیگا که با تساوی ۱-۱ مقابل هانوفر به پایان رسید با کسب نمره ۲.۵ از مجله کیکر به عنوان بهترین بازیکن بایرن مونیخ شناخته شد. کریمی در هفته ۲۴ بوندسلیگا در مصاف با هامبورگ مصدوم شد و تمام بازیهای بایرن مونیخ تا پایان فصل را از دست داد. او پیش از آسیب دیدگی ۳ بار در لیگ قهرمانان اروپا به میدان رفت که در اولین بازی خود برابر راپیدوین گلزنی کرد. با گلزنی در مقابل راپیدوین ،‌کریمی تنها بازیکن ایرانی بایرن مونیخ لقب گرفت که در لیگ قهرمانان اروپا گل زده است. کریمی پیش از مصدومیت در ۲۰ بازی بوندسلیگا، دو بازی جام حذفی ، یک بازی لیگا پوکال و ۳ بازی لیگ قهرمانان اروپا به میدان رفت. (میانگین نمرات کریمی در بوندسلیگا و لیگ قهرمانان اروپا در فصل ۲۰۰۶-۲۰۰۵ بهترین نمرات مجله کیکر در میان سه بازیکن ایرانی این تیم به شمار میرود. کریمی در پایان فصل ۲۰۰۶-۲۰۰۵ قهرمانی بوندسلیگا و جام حذفی را همراه با بایرن مونیخ بدست آورد.

فصل ۲۰۰۷-۲۰۰۶

کریمی که پس از بازگشت از جام جهانی ۲۰۰۶، همچنان از آسیب‌دیدگی فصل پیش خود احساس ناراحتی می‌کرد پیش از شروع فصل دوباره مصدوم شد و بازی‌های آغازین فصل را از دست داد. کریمی تا پایان فصل مجموعاً ۱۶ بازی (۱۳ بازی بوندس‌لیگا - ۲ بازی لیگ قهرمانان اروپا و یک بازی لیگا پوکال انجام داد). کریمی در هفته ۳۲ بوندس‌لیگا با ارسال پاس گل، زمینه‌ساز تساوی ۱–۱ بایرن در مقابل بروسیا مونشن‌گلادباخ شد. او در هفته ۳۴ بوندس‌لیگا ، در پیروزی ۲–۵ مقابل ماینتس در آخرین بازی خود برای بایرن به میدان رفت و آخرین گل خود را نیز در این بازی به ثمر رساند. در این مسابقه پس از مهمت شول ؛ کریمی به صورت مشترک با مارتین دمیکلیس با کسب نمره ۲٫۵ از مجله کیکر ، به عنوان دومین بازیکن برتر بایرن شناخته شد. کریمی در مجموع دو فصل حضور در بایرن مونیخ ، با انجام ۴۲ بازی (۳۳ بازی بوندس‌لیگا ، ۵ بازی لیگ قهرمانان اروپا ، ۲ بازی جام حذفی و ۲ بازی لیگا پوکال( رکورددار بیشترین تعداد بازی در میان سه بازیکن ایرانی این تیم شد و با زدن ۴ گل و ارسال ۴ پاس گل به کار خود در این تیم پایان داد.

در سال ۲۰۱۷ سایت ترانسفرمارکت ، کریمی را در بین بهترین بازیکنانی که از سال ۱۹۹۸ تا ۲۰۱۷ به صورت آزاد (بازیکنی که واجد شرایط بستن قرارداد با هر تیمی می‌باشد و با تیم قبلی خود قراردادش تمام شده است) به بایرن مونیخ پیوسته اند و عملکرد خوبی در این تیم داشته اند، قرار داد.

اسنم معادل انگللیسی اسم تیم ها یا بازیکنا و...

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بایرن مونیخ = Bayern Munich

ینس لمان = Jens Lehmann

مجله کیکر = Kicker

بوندسلیگا = Bundesliga

برابر بروسیا مونشن گلادباخ = Borussia Mönchengladbach

بایر لورکوزن = Bayer Leverkusen

روی ماکای = Roy Makaay

اینتراخت فرانکفورت = Eintracht Frankfurt

کایزرسلاترن = FC Kaiserslautern

بروسیا دورتموند = Borussia Dortmund

هانوفر = Hannover

هامبورگ = Hamburger SV

لیگ قهرمانان اروپا = UEFA Champions League

راپیدوین = Rapid Wien

جام حذفی = DFB-Pokal

لیگا پوکال = DFL-Ligapokal

ماینتس = FSV Mainz

مهمت شول = Mehmet Scholl

مارتین دمیکلیس = Martín Demichelis

ترانسفرمارکت = Transfermarkt

آزاد = Free agent ممنون میشم لطف کنید و ترجمه کنید. با تشکر I7-860 (talk) 19:18, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, but you will have to ask someone else. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:23, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

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Awesome! Many thanks to Onegreatjoke for nominating it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:47, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi, great initiative! I'm going to support that! A b r v a g l ^(PingMe) 06:04, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hey. That's great to hear, thanks! --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:18, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Am I missing something? The fall of the Khwarazmian Empire by the Mongols brought about "several Iranian states breaking away on the Iranian plateau"? It would appear this particular editor is not aware of WP:OR. --Kansas Bear (talk) 14:11, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

I have reverted that part [22] and written an explanation to them on their talk page [23]. Hopefully that should clear things. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:23, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry, that's my bad. I was trying to clarify that the Mongols had not annexed all of Khwarazm's former territories as of 1221, and that a few states would continue to exist into the 1220s and 1230s. I apologize for not including a source for my edits. Praxeria (talk) 20:42, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Care to explain why you removed information from the Lead of the Tahirid dynasty article stating it was unsourced, yet add your own unsourced information to the Lead of the Mughal Empire? --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:49, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

I revert back the mistake you made. Here is my explanation: Turkic peoples. " The genetic and historical evidence suggests that the early Turkic peoples were of predominantly West-Eurasian origin but also harbored significant Northeast Asian ancestry, being described by Chinese sources as "mixed barbarians" with blue/green eyes. " It makes no sense to say a Largely Iranian population became primary East Asian

Source: According to recent changes made by BaiulyQz just few days ago https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkic_peoples&diff=1121706093&oldid=1120474874 I understand he didn't provided a source that claims it but since no one removed what he edited that means he speaks the truth. I believe that is the case. 77.103.186.178 (talk) 20:27, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

That did not make much sense. And why does that justify altering sourced info? If you keep reverting you will get reported, bluntly said. HistoryofIran (talk)

Why did it not make sense and not justify? I helped wikipedia correcting it's mistake. It is a contradiction if the Turkic people says they were predominant West Eurasian, how can anyone say the Iranian population got replaced and changed into people of primary East Asian? I don't see anyone changing his edit that means he is correct.77.103.186.178 (talk) 20:49, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

What you're doing is called cherrypicking, you're simply choosing the story that you think fits you the most. Also, that is a flawed logic; just because he haven't been reverted (?) doesn't mean that he is correct. Someone should take at look at his edits, perhaps I will be the one to do it if this pattern continues. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:01, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Ok, but can you first let me revert back to my own original edit on Central Asia (with your approval without getting reported)? Otherwise, what you're doing is called contradicting. It is contradicting if one article says this and another says the opposite.77.103.186.178 (talk) 02:36, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

No, what would we be the point of this discussion then? Altering sourced information is disruptive, see also WP:CONSENSUS. HistoryofIran (talk)

Than what is the point of wikipedia article contradicting itself. It only makes wikipedia look stupid and lack all credibility. If you have checked there was something wrong with the Turkic people page, you would have already done so. The fact no one reverted his edit shows he is correct. I already made a discussion and explained why I got reverted multiple times https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Central_Asia#I_got_repeatedly_reverted and the fact no one commented back. If there's nobody to challenge me, why are you stopping me? 77.103.186.178 (talk) 15:45, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

What is the point of even answering you? You are not even paying attention to what I say and thus repeating yourself over and over. Now you are even trying to explain to me how I would have think/acted in a scenario? You know nothing about me. I think this discussion is over. I would advise you to re-read my comments a few times. And no, that doesn't give you the green light to revert again. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:49, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

You said " If you keep reverting you will get reported, bluntly said. " I explained my reason with sources and evidence. How long do you want me to wait until I can revert back to my answer? You said build consensus. If nobody replies after reading the undeniable credible facts I made, am I suppose to keep waiting? It almost feel like that I was reverted on purpose. What is wrong with changing Largely Iranian people changed to Turkic people instead of East Asian? We all know it was Mongol invasion who changed Iranians and Turkic, so it's silly to think that it was primary East Asian Turkic people.77.103.186.178 (talk) 15:57, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

With all due respect, building consensus is adressing the concerns of the other party, not repeating yourself over and over. I just looked into the source, this is what it actually says; "These historical events transformed the Eurasian steppes from being inhabited by Indo-European speakers of largely West Eurasian ancestry to the mostly Turkic-speaking groups of the present day, who are primarily of East Asian ancestry." So that means the current version is not good either, and needs a rewrite to better reflect the source. I don't mind if you change into something like that. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:18, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't know where you read "These historical events transformed the Eurasian steppes from being inhabited by Indo-European speakers of largely West Eurasian ancestry to the mostly Turkic-speaking groups of the present day, who are primarily of East Asian ancestry.". If this is true, why are you not changing the answer of Turkic people??? Also this doesn't make sense to me, if Turkic people were already East Asian, than who are the Turkish people and Azeris? They don't look anything like the Kazakhs, Uzbeks ect I though it was proven that it was Mongol invasion that changed Turkic people. 77.103.186.178 (talk) 18:01, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

As I said, I simply checked the source of the info you were trying to alter [24]. Sorry, but it's really none of your concern what I do vis-a-vis the Turkic people article. Also, I'm not sure why you ask me, I didn't write the source. The Azeris and Turkish people don't live in the Eurasian steppes either. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:11, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Ok, I will use the source you provided, but can you please don't revert me. Let me first edit and only revert it if I made a mistake. According to the source...."These nomads were further admixed with East Asian groups during several short-term khanates in the Medieval period. These historical events transformed the Eurasian steppes from being inhabited by Indo-European speakers of largely West Eurasian ancestry to the mostly Turkic-speaking groups of the present day, who are primarily of East Asian ancestry." It says modern day Turkic speaking are primary East Asian ancestry but that could be due to the Mongol invasion. It does not say says that a largely Iranian became primary East Asian because of Turkic invasion/migration from 5th to 10th century, and it does not mean modern Turkic speaking people it did not become mostly East Asian because of Mongols. So basically there's no need for you to change the Turkic people even if you wanted to. Your source explains it well.77.103.186.178 (talk) 22:06, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

I mean, you could just post the change you want to make in the talk page of the article first. Please just follow what the source says. To avoid having two different discussions, let's keep it at Talk:Central Asia only, which is more appropiate. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:05, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Hey, I just noticed this edit on my watchlist and assumed the IP would be reverted because their addition was unsourced. So, I looked around a bit to see if there was a source for this since "Those with white sheep" would make sense to most Turkic speakers because -li/-lu is a common Turkic case suffix denoting possession. I found this Russian source from the 1986 issue of the Turcologica journal (you must download the pdf from the bottom of the page) stating the following (Google translated):

Microethnonyms left over from large tribal unions: 1) Kara-koyunlu qara 'black' + qojim 'ram' + -1 and possession affix > qara qojunlu 'possessing black rams' - a confederation of Oguz tribes, whose leader founded a dynasty in Azerbaijan and Iran (from 1380 to 1468) with its capital north of Lakes Van and Urmia.7 The Karakoyunlu dynasty competed with other unions of Turkmen clans and tribes; 2) Ak-koyunlu aq 'white'+ qojunlu 'having rams' > aq qojunlu 'possessing white rams' - union also of Oghuz tribes, whose leaders founded the dynasty of rulers of Eastern Anatolia and part of Azerbaijan (from 1378 to 1508).

Do you think the addition of this source allows for the restoration of the edit? — Golden ^{call me maybe?} 14:54, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello. I oppose if we're gonna use a questionable Soviet source. I do however support the change if we use a trustable WP:RS, such as this one [25] --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:07, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Ah, that's a much better source. Thanks. — Golden ^{call me maybe?} 16:22, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Hopefully, it'll pass and pass quickly so the changes could be affected soon: WP:ARCA#Long title. Regards, El_C 22:51, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Awesome, thank you very much! --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:07, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

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Dear HistoryofIran,

The existence of an entry (submitted by myself) doesn't mean Arakelova was thoroughly discussed as a source and there was a clear decision on her article, because the discussion was abandoned and ended with my unanswered questions. The main problem here is currently the small amount of participation, which would be enriched by your comments (please) and those of other editors. Thank you. Ayıntaplı (talk) 19:57, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

I'm going to be blunt; is this going to be discussed over and over until it finally gets removed? Because that seems the case. Adding this [26] even though you took the source to WP:RSN [27] where it didn't get deemed as unreliable is really questionable.--HistoryofIran (talk) 21:00, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

It was neither concluded as a reliable nor an unreliable source. Let's rewind the discussion. There were only two editors that participated other than myself. One only commented once:

"I followed Arakelova for many years and she is a mainstream academic researcher (though of course she is Armenian which somehow influences her views)."

No definite statement. Ymblanter is telling that she is a known scholar, but her circumstances may "influence" her views. The last comment of the other user, Alaexis, was:

"Considering that Arakelova's estimate is published in a scholarly journal, I don't see much harm in having her numbers listed alongside the other estimates. However if someone does a careful analysis of the scholarly sources and shows that this is indeed a fringe position I wouldn't be against removing it."

This is also not a definite statement. This basically means: "It can stay but it may also be removed."

The discussion ended with my questions/points, which no one responded to:

1. Alaexis brought up Amanolahi's estimation to suggest that Arakelova's estimate may not be a fringe view for a wide range of estimations, but Amanolahi's estimate is a decade older, and there is still a considerable gap.
2. The journal the article was published in is run by Asatrian, mentor of Arakelova, which could leave clear distortions without review.
3. If this article were to be considered reliable, would it still be okay to include the percentage, which is a clear and absurd miscalculation?

Golden brought this discussion up at Talk:Azerbaijanis#Arakelova and mentioned that it "appears to support removing the source as a source for these numbers." So, I am not hallucinating that this discussion was inconclusive or incomplete. And also, Golden tweaked the numbers as per the provided sources, further turning Arakelova to an outlier, which would also be a response to Alaexis. Ayıntaplı (talk) 21:28, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

It was apparently "neither concluded as a reliable nor an unreliable source", yet you suddenly proceed to add "unreliable source" in six articles? [28] [29] [30] [31] [32] [33]. Also, surely there is good reason for said topic being "inconlusive" after several discussions? It's not like there haven't been a lack of people participating. I think it would be good to take in what they have said as well. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:44, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

The tag doesn't read "unreliable source," it reads "unreliable source?" When you hover on it, the message mentions a possibility. I added that tag to attract editors.

The only notable discussions are the one at Talk:Azerbaijanis and the inconclusive discussion on the noticeboard. The first one ended with some unanswered concerns of Beshogur and an invitation to open this source for discussion on the noticeboard. I did that and pointed at totally different concerns than Beshogur's, and the discussion was incomplete.

I'm sorry, HistoryofIran, but it is extremely absurd to have a totally different discussion/argument on whether this should be discussed, when some things are quite clear. From now on, I would have to see this as nothing but evasion from cooperation. Ayıntaplı (talk) 21:58, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) So lets get this straight. The talk page section at Talk:Azerbaijanis didn't result in what you would have liked seeing vis-a-vis Arakelova. Nor did the WP:RSN thread which you initiated. So then you proceeded to tagging every use of Arakelova (2015) on Wikipedia? It seems you have forgotten about WP:TENDENTIOUS and the fact that these articles are well within WP:AA2, as this sort of editing is disruptive in every sense of the word. - LouisAragon (talk) 23:48, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Then, I apologize for those edits. I tagged them, as I thought the source would count as under discussion. I have also explained my intentions in doing that here.

First of all, there wasn't any such discussion at Talk:Azerbaijanis to not end up to my "liking." Moreover, as per what I explained here, it is clear what was said in the thread on the noticeboard. Ayıntaplı (talk) 00:03, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) It is difficult to comprehend why Ayıntaplı's request for a discussion on the source has elicited such responses. None of the two discussions regarding the source produced a conclusive result; neither proved nor disproved the source's reliability. Therefore, it is problematic to accuse Ayıntaplı of "disliking" a conclusion that does not exist. The RSN thread, which raises completely different and new points than the more than a year-old discussion had at Talk:Azerbaijanis, appears to have ended neutrally, with only two other participants arguing that the source in question may or may not be reliable. This time and effort would be better spent responding at Talk:Azerbaijanis#Arakelova instead, in my opinion. — Golden ^{call me maybe?} 00:14, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

• "'It is difficult to comprehend why Ayıntaplı's request for a discussion on the source has elicited such responses."

My final comment here. The article is published in a peer-reviewed journal (Iran and the Caucasus) and is published by Brill Publishers, one the world's leading publishers in Social Sciences/History/Humanities. Claiming stuff like "The journal the article was published in is run by Asatrian, mentor of Arakelova, which could leave clear distortions without review." (as per Ayintepli), and tagging every instance of the source on Wiki are serious allegations and violations of WP:TENDENTIOUS and WP:LIBEL. Unless there's sound evidence of bias/non-neutral scholarship by Arakelova (or by Asatrian), I don't see how the stuff they are asserting are fringe/non-RS.

- LouisAragon (talk) 21:16, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

I was providing a possible reason for why the discrepancy in the article might have stayed as is, using the word "could," not a claim. That was also the summary of my previous points in the entry on the noticeboard, which is much more descriptive. And also Asatrian is the editor-in-chief, that's why I said it's "run" by him. For WP:TENDENTIOUS, I had added the "unreliable source?" tags as per the tag's guide, and I couldn't find any rule that forbids adding such a tag for sources disputed to be unreliable, which was the case as brought up by several users. But I never hesitate to back down. As such, I reverted my own edit on Iranian Azerbaijanis, which you seemingly forgot to revert, as in [34] and also apologized here [35]. Moreover, I have been subject to some behavioral accusations that aren't clearly supported, such as "the talk page section didn't result in what [I] would have liked seeing vis-a-vis Arakelova," "[nor] did the WP:RSN thread," ([36]) when there wasn't any result, and also "an attempt to force users into kow-tow," ([37]) which is extremely offensive to me. Ayıntaplı (talk) 00:12, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

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Neat! I wasn't aware of that. Thank you very much Apaugasma! --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:58, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

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I just started reviewing your GA-nominated Dawlatshah Samarqandi. Looking forward to it!

I noticed that you haven't reviewed any GA-nominated articles yourself yet. I can highly recommend it. It doesn't take super long, you learn a lot about completely random topics, and there's a big backlog, so more reviewers are very welcome. I'm pretty new to reviewing, myself, but if you're interested and need any help to get started, just let me know! Benji man (talk) 15:54, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and thanks for reviewing the article! Unfortunately I have no current plans of reviewing other articles, but that might change in the future. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:17, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

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Hello, my friend.

This is about the page named "Arsacid dynasty of Armenia". In the part of this article about the Christianization of Arsacids there is the following sentence:

In 301, Saint Gregory the Illuminator converted king Tiridates III and members of his court to Christianity traditionally dated to 301 according to historian Mikayel Chamchian's "Patmutiun Hayots i Skzbane Ashkharhi Minchev tsam diarn" (1784).

The translation of this latinized Armenian title of the famous History book of Mikayel Chamchian "Patmutiun Hayots i Skzbane Ashkharhi Minchev tsam diarn" (1784) just means "The History of Armenia from the Origin of the World until the year of the Lord 1784". In Armenian it will be: "Պատմութիւն Հայոց ՚ի սկզբանէ աշխարհի մինչեւ ցամ Տեառն 1784:"

By the way 1784 or ՌՉՁԴ in Armenian.

But it's not important now.

There can arise two questions.

1. Why 1784 is out of the quotation marks?

2. Why 1784 is in the parentheses?

Thank you, my friend. Thank you for your support of the Armenian people. And thank you for your position against the dictators.

Have a good day. 04:33, 18 December 2022 (UTC) Գնդապետ Մնացական Ռ. Խաչատրեան (talk • contribs)

Hello Գնդապետ Մնացական Ռ. Խաչատրեան. Thanks for the nice words - but sorry, I unfortunately have no idea. I don't think it's for any particular reason. Bests. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:24, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I would like to ask if you are finished with article Cadusii? 2001:16B8:6D0:AB00:E9A3:AC48:CDB3:6350 (talk) 00:13, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Not completely, I've been a lot busy lately. Why? --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:22, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Saal-e nou mobaarak! Omidvaaram ke saal-e khoobi daashte baashi. Behtarin aarezoohaa baraaye saal-e jadid! VisioncurveTimendi causa est nescire

Durud Visioncurve. Kheili mamnoon va to ham hamintor :-). --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:02, 26 December 2022 (UTC)