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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page with a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area and then promoted into the Queue. To update this page, purge it.

Count of DYK Hooks
Section	# of Hooks	# Verified
September 19	1	1
September 22	1	1
September 23	1
September 24	1
September 26	2
September 27	2	1
September 28	2	2
October 2	1	1
October 3	1
October 4	1
October 5	2
October 6	1
October 7	4	2
October 8	1
October 9	4	2
October 10	1
October 11	2	1
October 12	1	1
October 13	7
October 14	1	1
October 15	6	1
October 16	4	1
October 17	4	3
October 18	6	1
October 19	8	5
October 20	5	4
October 22	11	3
October 23	8	3
October 24	4	1
October 25	8	7
October 26	5	4
October 27	7	5
October 28	8	3
October 29	7	6
October 30	10	5
October 31	10	3
November 1	11	7
November 2	8	4
November 3	17	12
November 4	7	3
November 5	11	5
November 6	6	3
November 7	10	6
November 8	7	1
November 9	9	6
November 10	11	5
November 11	7	4
November 12	6	4
November 13	8
November 14	6
November 15	7
November 16	4
November 17	4
November 18	5
November 19
November 20
November 21
Total	292	128
Last updated 04:38, 21 November 2024 UTC Current time is 06:07, 21 November 2024 UTC [refresh]

How do I write an interesting hook?

Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.

When will my nomination be reviewed?

This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first, it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions below). Because of WP:DYKTIMEOUT, a nomination should be reviewed within two months since the reviewer/promoter may agree to reject and close an unpromoted hook after that time has passed.

Where is my hook?

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

• Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
• Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
• The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
• To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

  Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

  If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING  :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
• Save the page.
• After the nomination is approved, a bot will automatically list the nomination page on Template talk:Did you know/Approved.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Handy copy sources:

• Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
• In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

• Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
• Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
  • View the edit history for that page
  • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
  • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
• Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
• If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

• Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

• ... that Singapore's first and largest purchase of gold from South Africa was completed in 1968 by comparing two halves of a United States one-dollar bill?

• • Reviewed:

BenTanXiaoMing (talk) 09:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: v/r - TP 15:02, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BenTanXiaoMing: @TParis: This hook violates WP:EGG, and the claim that it is/was the "largest" purchase is never mentioned in the article, just that it was the first. A new hook is needed. Kimikel (talk) 03:09, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kimikel: "Largest" was in there at the time of the review. It was removed in this edit by @Justanothersgwikieditor:. I've added it in with a new ref. And the hook is fine. No one expects to find an article titled "purchase of gold from South Africa". But here is an alt anyway.--v/r - TP 13:59, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT1 ... that Ngiam Tong Dow negotiated Singapore's first and largest purchase of gold from South Africa in 1968 by comparing two halves of a United States one-dollar bill?

ALT1 is good to go. Nobody would reasonably infer that a link saying "purchase of gold from South Africa was completed" would lead to a page about a Singaporean civil servant, so ALT0 is not fine, per WP:EGG. Kimikel (talk) 23:01, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're just going to skim over the fact that you accused me of lazily not verifying the original hook without checking the article's history?--v/r - TP 01:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did not "accuse" of you of anything. I simply noted that the article and the hook did not match, which is a requirement for DYK. Get over yourself. Kimikel (talk) 02:41, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because it had been changed after the review. Geeze, some people--v/r - TP 02:41, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BenTanXiaoMing and TParis: I wouldn't call an autobiography a reliable source for a claim like this, unless it was clear someone independently fact-checked and verified it. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Theleekycauldron: Thanks for highlighting the issue! I managed to find a few more sources to support the claim. Added it to the article. BenTanXiaoMing (talk) 07:45, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TParis and Theleekycauldron: Is this approved? If not, what else needs to be done?--Launchballer 14:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer and BenTanXiaoMing: I think the best source for the claim would be Bold Vision: The Untold Story of Singapore’s Reserves and Its Sovereign Wealth Fund, by Freddy Orchard? It's what the AFR source is quoting. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:44, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that compared to collectible card games, expandable card games focus more on storytelling and cooperation? Source: https://www.playthepast.org/?p=6913 and its subsequent parts linked in the article as refs
  • ALT1: ... that expandable card games are sometimes known as "living card games", but the latter term, while popular, is trademarked by a single company, preventing its use by competitors? Source: http://www.pairofdiceparadise.com/expandable-card-games-ecg-trademarks-patents-3-of-3-a167.php
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Genocide in the Hebrew Bible

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:43, 24 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• I think there is an issue with the article, which is that going by the most of the sources in the article and the hook source, the WP:COMMONTERM appears to be "living card game", and therefore that should be the title of the article and the boldlink. For related reasons I think ALT1 is actually the more interesting hook, though it would benefit from rephrasing to make it punchier. I'm keen to hear other opinions. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 23:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Piotrus: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 14:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Cloventt and Z1720: This has been discussed a bit by card game editors, I also pinged them at Talk:Expandable_card_game#Not_much_on_this. It is not clear what is common term, and while LCG is a common term, as explained in the article, it is trademarked by one company, and could be considered not neutral - prioritizing that one company over others. I'd be happy to see this discussed on talk, but nobody seems to care, and I don't feel like deciding by myself to use a term specific to one company over what appears to be a perfectly fine and more neutral (not trademarked) term. As for the "punchier" wording, feel free to suggest an ALT1a and I can "adopt" it if it seems ok to me, so you could accept it... otherwise I am sorry, I don't know what your idea of "punchier" is. PS. Please WP:ECHO me when replying, if my response is needed. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:01, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Piotrus and Cloventt: What else needs to be done here?--Launchballer 14:14, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer: I already replied extensively, with a ping. Maybe a new reviewer is needed? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:05, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I'm not sure how to fix this because as I said initially I think it is something of a fundamental issue with the article. Happy for another reviewer to weigh in on it. In terms of a punchier hook, something like "... that 'expandable card games' is a generic alternative for the trademarked term 'living card games'?"David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 20:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Cloventt: I'd be fine with that hook. Would you be ok with the article getting featured using it? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:59, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • I’d rather leave it to another reviewer to decide. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 03:06, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the judges of the Culinary Class Wars (pictured) were blindfolded and spoon-fed?

ALT1 ... that the judges of the Culinary Class Wars suffered from over-eating but judge Paik Jong-won (pictured) still ate his packed lunch too?

ALT2 ... that the dishes in the Culinary Class Wars were discarded after judging to prevent others from tasting them and disagreeing with the judges? (pictured)

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Magic (play)
  • Comment: There's some clean-up to do now the first season has finished but it's time to make a start

Andrew🐉(talk) 20:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• At the time of nomination the article was exactly 7 days old (which fits I guess), and the length seems to fit standard. There are some good English sources and a lot of Korean coverage, so I don't doubt that this is notable. Earwig says no copyvios, but the article is a bit messy. (Why does the "endless cooking hell" section have nothing in it, for one?) Most importantly, the hook is also little bit vague, and I don't think it would capture much attention. Good day, Wuju Daisuki ^{(Talk? 뭐 그까이꺼 대충!)} 17:11, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• The show was released in three installments and the first season has finished now. The article has been fleshed out to complete details of all the rounds. I'm doing some further clean-up and completion. More anon. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:47, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• @Wuju Daisuki: The article has been expanded and I've added an ALT hook for your consideration, please. It works well with the picture, I reckon. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:20, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Wuju Daisuki: Have your concerns been resolved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 23:14, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

* @Z1720: The article looks in better shape now, but the alt you provided is not well written, nor would it be very interesting if it was. Good day, Wuju Daisuki ^{(Talk? 뭐 그까이꺼 대충!)} 02:22, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Z1720: Thanks to Z1720 for taking an interest. I'm not understanding Wuju Daisuki's objections to the ALT1 hook, which seems fine to me. Maybe we just have different tastes. To help avoid an impasse and establish a consensus, please could Z1720 say what they think of the hooks? Andrew🐉(talk) 10:38, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Andrew Davidson: My opinion is that I am confused by ALT1 because I do not know who Paik Jong-won is. After looking at the image caption and clicking on Jong-won's link I was able to piece together that he is a judge, but it takes too long for me to understand the hook. I like ALT0 more because it is succinct and understandable. If the image is going to be used, it needs to be included in the article. Z1720 (talk) 11:36, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks for the feedback. I'm still content with ALT0 too but will mull over ALT1 to see if it can be made clearer. More anon. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:33, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Wuju Daisuki and Z1720: I have amended the wording of ALT1 and added an ALT2 hook for your consideration, please. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:17, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Straight away you'll need a better source for ALT2 per WP:FORBESCON. I'll assess the rest of this when I'm less sleepy.--Launchballer 22:03, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, so ALT2 is currently unusable per above, but ALT1 is unencyclopedic and has been cut from the article and ALT0 would require an end-of-sentence citation. Also, as written this would deserve {{overly detailed}} and much of this needs to go.--Launchballer 12:01, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrew Davidson, Windershaker, and Wuju Daisuki: Apologies, thought I'd pinged.--Launchballer 14:15, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Indian street artist Hanif Kureshi, working pseudonymously as Daku, would use Google Street View images to practice his art before rendering them on the streets? Source: [Livemint]
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Booby Island (Saint Kitts and Nevis)

Ktin (talk) 01:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Extremely no-fun comment: If this goes on the main page, the copyright status of the images in it should be clear. I'm looking at c:Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/India, and it says that there is not freedom of panorama "For copyrighted 2D (paintings, drawings, maps, pictures, engravings, etc.)". It seems that only sculptures, and art that is not "Paintings, drawings, or photographs", has FOP. So.. did Hanif Kureshi dedicate his art to the public domain? Is his estate (if any) willing to, if he didn't? I'm not demanding the images be removed or anything, just that if we can't be sure, it may be better to withdraw the nom and keep the possibly questionable images than proceed with the nom if the image copyright status can't be ascertained. (Of course, if the copyright status can be ascertained to be good, then great.) SnowFire (talk) 03:06, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I believe we should be good on Indian freedom of panorama due to the 'permanently situate' clause. Specifically, this would be included in the freedom of panorama clause in India because the work is "permanently situated in a public place or premises to which the public has access". Will wait for the DYK review. Ktin (talk) 03:23, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: All of the images I've uploaded of street murals have been deleted from Commons. I can't imagine that these will survive either. Viriditas (talk) 23:30, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• If I may ask, which country's street murals did you upload? If it was Indian street murals and the murals were in a public place, they should not have been deleted. Specifically as quoted above, if the work of art is permanently situated in a public place or premises to which the public has access, that should be allowed under freedom of panorama, in India. Ktin (talk) 00:44, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I uploaded images of murals in the US, but my reading of SnowFire's comment indicates that Indian murals aren't protected either. Viriditas (talk) 00:58, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Street art in India is permitted under Freedom of Panorama if they were in a public place, specifically under clause Section 52(t) which says (the following acts shall not constitute an infringement of copyright) ... if such work is permanently situate in a public place or any premises to which the public has access. So if you had uploaded pictures of murals in India, they should not have been deleted. Ktin (talk) 03:52, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will take your word for it; but others might not. I've never seen a lead image in the PNG format before, especially one that represents a screen capture from a video. Viriditas (talk) 08:50, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm doing a read through and random spot checks. I don't like how you use multiple sources after a sentence; when I look at the source, I see that only one of the two (for example) supports the material in whole or in part, rather than both. I'm guessing this is due to older versions and too many cooks in the kitchen. Best practice is to have one citation at the end of a sentence or phrase or a word. I find it helpful to bundle sources if you need to use more than two, such that one appears inline only. Example: there's no reason to have two citations after "Kureshi was born on 12 October 1982 in Palitana, a town in the Bhavnagar district of Gujarat", when the entire statement is supported by just one.[1] Viriditas (talk) 09:18, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And now I see that neither of the cited sources supports his birth date of 12 October. Please go through this article and make sure each citation is used judiciously and supports the material. Viriditas (talk) 09:21, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This source supports the birth date, but is not currently in the article. Also, because it was published on October 30, we don't know if there's a problem with citogenesis. Looking at the page history, the only source for his birth date is yourself. Perhaps you can fix this issue? Viriditas (talk) 06:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, the birth date comes from the social media account for the St+art India Foundation which announced his death on September 23.[2] It doesn't look like anyone else used it until much later, either copying it from Facebook and Instagram or from this article. I'm not clear how we go ahead and cite that other than IAR. Viriditas (talk) 06:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I think I figured out a workaround. Vogue India posted a piece just before or after you created the Wikipedia bio. They directly cited a portion of the original Instagram post (an image), which preserves the chain of evidence in a reliable secondary source without citogenesis. I will go ahead and add this now. Viriditas (talk) 06:56, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm slowly making way through every sentence, and virtually every paragraph has the wrong source or a missing source. I am attempting to fix this, but this article was not ready for DYK when it was nominated. Viriditas (talk) 09:50, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Almost done, but I have to go to sleep now and won't be able to finish until tomorrow. If anyone reads this, the lead doesn't mention the Handpainted Type Project and it really needs to do so. I would be embarrassed to run this if it didn't. Viriditas (talk) 11:40, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ktin: your hook has to be based on information in the article. Currently, you don't mention anything about Daku inline. You will need to add that. In addition to adding it to the body, I would also add it to the lead along with the Handpainted Type Project. Viriditas (talk) 11:50, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Viriditas: I don’t have access to a computer that I can edit from. But I had a brief look and an IP editor and another one-edit editor has edited the article after I nominated the DYK to remove content from both the body and the lede. Please have a look. Alternately, I will when I get access again. Ktin (talk) 23:52, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ktin: Thanks for letting me know. I will take care of the issues, but by doing so, I won't be allowed to review the nomination. Please confirm that all of these images of murals were completed in whole or in part by Hanif Kureshi. I have added commons categories to all of them in good faith, but there is no identifying information in the image uploads indicating Kureshi is the author. Viriditas (talk) 23:54, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will attempt to add sources to the images later tonight. Viriditas (talk) 03:02, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ping me when you're done and I will review this.--Launchballer 15:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I will. The article is very problematic, and I'm having to go through every sentence, line by line, source by source. There's also an enormous amount that isn't here, so there's a potential WP:DYKCOMPLETE problem that I'm also trying to solve. Viriditas (talk) 21:24, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ktin: I'm trying to finish this up, but I noticed that professor Sanchita Khurana has included a lot of great images of Kureshi's public art online with a photo credit to the St+art India Foundation. Does that mean I can upload the images to commons, or not? Given that Kureshi co-founded this project with the idea of getting art to the people, it would make sense if the images were released to the public, as that philosophy would be aligned with the original intent of the foundation. It would also vastly improve this article. Otherwise, we currently only have one image of Kureshi's work, and because the angle is rather extreme and the lighting is harsh, it's not a good one, and I would like to remedy that by replacing it with a non-free one if need be. Viriditas (talk) 21:25, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Viriditas: I still do not have access to a computer that I can edit from. However, these images — are they images of buildings / streets that have the murals on them or are they pictures of the murals isolated? If the former they would be allowed under freedom of panorama in India, but, if they are the latter, they are copyrighted. We can always reach out to St+art India on instagram and ask them if they are willing to upload a picture or two onto commons and release them under cc3 or similar. I have seen folks do that in the past. Unfortunately we can’t use non free image under the *fair use* principle because it will be argued that it is possible to walk up and get a picture of the building / street art. Furthermore, iirc fair use would require that the picture be used as the identifying graphic for the article. I hope to get access to a computer to edit from over the weekend and I can lend a hand. Ktin (talk) 04:15, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Viriditas: I am back with availability over the weekend. Feel free to let me know if you need anything from me. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 08:35, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ktin: Thank you. I am trying to wind things down and wrap this up. I'm hoping to be finished in 14-16 hours from now, if I can get it together. Viriditas (talk) 09:32, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ktin: I think I figured out why I was having so many problems. The merge of Daku (artist) was never completed. I only just saw this. This is why I made the comment about DYKCOMPLETE up above. What I'm seeing in the sources and what I'm seeing in this article didn't line up until I looked at the original Daku article, which shows me all the missing content. Viriditas (talk) 11:00, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ktin: It would be very helpful if you could upload some more free images. I understand if you can't, but the only image we have of Kureshi's work is sadly captured from the wrong angle. That particular work (We Love Dilli) is supposed to be captured from the front to show the script floating. With the current image taken from the side, you can't actually see that effect, and it pretty much detracts from the entire point. I understand that the photographer probably wasn't aware of this, but photographing art is very tricky, and there are, in fact, pieces which defy the act of photography itself. If that means requesting images from the various art collectives Kureshi worked with, that would be great. Viriditas (talk) 10:05, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Viriditas: I have asked on the Instagram page of St+art India. Will keep you posted. Ktin (talk) 19:15, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Viriditas: Btw, the graffiti that image that you have added from Goregaon. I had seen that before. While it does read "Daku", I had no way to verify that it was indeed Kureshi's creation. Hence, I had not added it to the article. From a stylization standpoint, it does not line up with any of his other creations. I might be wrong. But, what we have there is unverified. Ktin (talk) 19:24, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not so sure. The WSJ said he spent a year tagging buildings in Mumbai, and that he "shies away from being associated with just one face or identity. He doesn't want to be known for only one kind of art." I'll consider removing it if I can't find anything else to support it. I should also note that the Gujarati language Wikipedia pretty much confirms this: "Over the years he wrote his name in different colors and patterns in cities like Mumbai..." Viriditas (talk) 21:54, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer: I've made some significant progress, and I'm at an inflection point. I don't want this to time out, so I'm wondering if I can have another day or two to work on it. Viriditas (talk) 22:33, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, take your time.--Launchballer 22:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I just want to note that the hook has to be rewritten as it completely underplays the point of why Kureshi was using Google Street View, which is the most interesting part of the hook. Viriditas (talk) 23:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT1 ... that Indian artist Hanif Kureshi painted street art with shadows cast by the Sun?Majumdar, Roshni (12 May 2016). "Indian street artist Daku reveals graffiti powered by the sun". CNN; Parakala, Vangmayi (6 May 2016). "On 15 May, this art will disappear". Mint.

@Launchballer: I'm ready for a review. Viriditas (talk) 11:57, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ktin and Viriditas: Alright. This is certainly long enough at just under 7500 characters. The problem I have is that - per the talk page - this article previously existed at Daku (artist), where it was just under 5000 characters. Even if I yeeted all the {{cn}} stuff on BLP grounds, it would still be over 3000. I think this needs to go through GA to be eligible. I'm very sorry.--Launchballer 13:03, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer: Firstly, thanks for your patience on this one. I just want to note that this article Hanif Kureshi was built independently of Daku (artist) until we found that article. The context here is that the pseudonymous name Daku and related contributions were roughly one third of Kureshi's overall contributions. There was hardly any content that was brought in from the Daku article into this one when we merged the two. If you see Viriditas's note re: WP:DYKCOMPLETE also partly stemmed from that. With this, my submission is that we should consider this article independently. That said, I can understand if you think this nomination should be rejected. Thank you. Ktin (talk) 16:32, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Viriditas: Given that you have worked more than I have on identifying additional sources and expanding the article, I am happy to nominate this one for WP:GA on your behalf if you have the availability to work on any feedback that comes from the review process. I am happy to lend a hand as well. I will keep you posted on the response re: the ask for additional images. Ktin (talk) 16:50, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pings won't work unless you sign in the same edit, but Viriditas should still get mine from earlier. My problem is that this wouldn't be eligible if you'd found that first and expanded it. The nearest equivalent I can think of is Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 200#Request to close nomination, at which IAR wasn't mentioned. If you put in a request at WP:GARC, you might be able to get it done before this times out.--Launchballer 17:43, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer: Use Special:ComparePages for this kind of problem. Here is the result. Daku (artist) and Hanif Kureshi are the same, but two separate articles with different content. The reason they are topic dupes, is because the original article was based on the anonymous career of Daku’s work as a graffiti artist before he became known as Hanif Kureshi. Ktin created this article after Kureshi died. I believe this means this DYK is still eligible. This kind of problem has come up before so this shouldn’t be a problem. Viriditas (talk) 17:49, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:DYK5X, "this calculation is made from the last version of the article before the expansion began, even if text from the original was deleted in the process (unless the text was a copyright violation, in which case it does not count towards the size of the original)." You can take it up at WT:DYK if you like, but I still don't think this is eligible.--Launchballer 01:16, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It’s not a 5x problem. They were two separate articles; Ktin wasn’t even aware of the other article until two days after writing this one, and as you can see from the ComparePage diff result up above, there’s no overlapping content. The original article was about an anonymous graffiti artist; this article was about the man himself. I realize that this must be confusing for you as it’s an edge case, so I won’t be taking it up anywhere, however I do remember this kind of thing happening before in the past. Have a great week. Viriditas (talk) 01:38, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I could not have said this better. Thank you Viriditas. Ktin (talk) 03:08, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you nominate it, you will need to find time to work with the reviewer. My task here was to try and salvage this DYK, which appears to have failed. In the future, always check for article dupes under different names before creating a new one. I think your article still qualifies for DYK since it was original content not based on the Daku article. Viriditas (talk) 18:25, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that slop emerged in 2024 over “pollution”, “garbage” and “dross” as the preferred term to describe low-quality AI-generated material?

• Reviewed: N/a
• Comment: First own DYK nomination. I like this one because a lot of people contributed (images, categorizations). Feels very fresh.

Jenny8lee (talk) 20:39, 4 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:

Image eligibility:

• Freely licensed:
• Used in article:
• Clear at 100px:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Welcome to DYK Jenny8lee, I hope you have a wonderful time here, and I hope I can help facilitate your entry the best I can! Created and nominated within a week, long enough, sourced and neutral. QPQ not required because of the nominator being below 5 nominations. I have some questions regarding the hook, since the original article's wording was as such:
"One increasingly intuitive answer is “garbage.” The neuroscientist Erik Hoel has called it “A.I. pollution,” and the physicist Anthony Aguirre “something like noise” and “A.I.-generated dross.”"
It seems like these terms were used by one or two people, rather than being in use beyond those individuals quoted within the article. I believe it might be a good idea to re-word the hook(something along the lines of "AI slop has been referred to as "garbage", "pollution", and "dross"), or find something else altogether. The quotes within the lead of the article should be attributed to their sources as well. In addition, I'm not entirely sure whether the AI generated image is free (regarding the copyright of a derivative work, this is a fairly new policy as well). I'm going to ping @Theleekycauldron: to see what they think regarding the matter. Ornithoptera (talk) 02:34, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Ornithoptera: I think I'd go further than you to say that the Times source doesn't even verify that "slop" is the preeminent term! Since all AI imagery is considered public domain by Commons, public domain derivatives are a-okay. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:15, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• @Ornithoptera: Thanks for the feedback. How do I change the hook once it has been submitted? Jenny8lee (talk) 19:24, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Jenny8lee: To propose a new hook, start a new line with ALT1 (in bold) below, then put the text of the hook next to it. Z1720 (talk) 23:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT1 that thousands of people showed up in Dublin, Ireland for a non-existent Halloween parade due to an article on an AI-produced website in what became a viral example of AI slop in the physical world.

Source 1: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dublin-fake-halloween-parade-ireland-ai-advert-b2639505.html Source 2: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/24/opinion/ai-annoying-future.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jenny8lee (talk • contribs)

Per WP:DYKTRIM, I suggest ALT1a: ... that a viral example of slop prompted thousands of people to visit Dublin for a non-existent Halloween parade?--Launchballer 13:50, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jenny8lee and Theleekycauldron: Went to tick off ALT1a (since it's a derivative of Jenny's ALT1 with no additional information); however, I noticed that only one of the references actually uses the word 'slop'. And having read the article, the vast majority of this shouldn't be in this article. Most of this deserves to be in the artificial intelligence art article.--Launchballer 14:24, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Australian Light Weight Air Warning Radar was designed to break down into waterproof containers that fit in the Douglas DC-2, were taken ashore from a trawler in canoes, and in one case manpacked up 200 foot cliffs? Source: Minnett and Briton both detail the waterproof aspect and DC-2, Minnett relates it being brought ashore by canoe and quotes the cliffs
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sanjna

Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:47, 3 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• The hook needs to be shortened as it is over 200 characters. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• ALT1: that the Australian Light Weight Air Warning Radar was designed to break down into waterproof containers that could be taken ashore from a trawler in canoes, and manpacked up 200 foot cliffs?Source: Minnett and Briton both detail the waterproof aspect, Minnett relates it being brought ashore by canoe and quotes the cliffs Shortened version suggested. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 20:42, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  ALT1 has so much detail, that it tells the whole story and gives me no reason to click the link to read more. I recommend something much shorter. Flibirigit (talk) 02:02, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   Reviewing... Will do a full review for this within two days. Flibirigit (talk) 04:45, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - ?
• Interesting: - ?

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: - ?
Overall: Article was created on October 3, and nominated the same day. Length and sourcing are adequate. I am stil reviewing the article for neutrality, and have no yet decided. I found no plagiarism concerns. I note that this Earwig result highlights proper nouns and a properly attributed quote. The original hook was far too long. ALT1 is not hooky as per my above comment. The nominated image is clear at a low resolution, and used in the aticle. Depending on a reworded hook, it may or may not improve the hook. I also note that File:Mark 1A Light Weight Air Warning Radar. 6091121.jpg has already appeared in the picture slot of DYK on Wikipedia:Recent_additions/2018/November#9_November_2018. The QPQ requirement is insufficient since it only commented on eligibility, and was not a full review of all DYK criteria as per WP:DYKRR. Please provide a complete review for QPQ. Flibirigit (talk) 15:25, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Flibirigit: Let me know when you have decided. Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:36, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fort clarity, I do not expect any neutrality issues but I have not completely read the article. I shold have that completed by tomorrow. My primary concerns are the hook and QPQ. Flibirigit (talk) 19:21, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did some minor copyediting, and no neutrality concerns noted. Please see above comments for the hooks and QPQ. Thanks for this nomination! Flibirigit (talk) 22:43, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Maury Markowitz: Are the above concerns resolved, as is this ready for re-review? Z1720 (talk) 15:35, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's not ready. No hooks have been proposed, and no valid QPQ has been supplied. I will continue my review when those are ready. Flibirigit (talk) 17:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2 ... that the Australian Light Weight Air Warning Radar system was developed as a portable system to be quickly delivered to forward airfields? A possible hook; if you like it, Maury Markowitz (talk) or someone else would need to check and cite the sources (probably Minnett, but I can't access it to do this). Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 14:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The new hook looks promising. We still need a valid QPQ. Flibirigit (talk) 16:02, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have done another QPQ for Template:Did you know nominations/Oh My Mother!. Strongly prefer ALT1, and I'm at a loss why someone might not read an article because the hook is too interesting. I am dealing with my parent's wills for the next little while, so if immediate attention is needed, just close the nom. Maury Markowitz (talk) 20:13, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 has been struck because it is too long. Flibirigit (talk) 01:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Echoes of Life Tour, a tour of solo ice shows in Japan by two-time Olympic figure skating champion Yuzuru Hanyu, opens on his 30th birthday on December 7, 2024?

• Reviewed:

Henni147 (talk) 04:58, 9 October 2024 (UTC). Alright, I'm going to attempt reviewing this. First review for me, so it'll take a bit of time. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 23:19, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting: - refer to comments

QPQ: None required.

Overall: 3.8% at earwig, not too sure about hookinterest. Will need a second opinion. Pinging User:Sky Harbor. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 23:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC) [reply]

@AlphaBetaGamma: Oh okay, so the "that" at the beginning is not included in the count. Does this adjustment work?

ALT3 (shortened): "... that the Echoes of Life Tour by two-time Olympic figure skating champion Yuzuru Hanyu is directed by Mikiko who was also involved in the choreography of the 2016 Summer Olympics closing ceremony?"

Sources: Hanyu Yuzuru to unveil 'Echoes of Life' show on 30th birthday (Olympics.com) and The Olympic opening ceremony that wasn't (The Japan Times).

This hook should have 195 characters now, but better check as well to be sure. Henni147 (talk) 07:25, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's 195 characters. Guess that's a wrap? ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 09:31, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AlphaBetaGamma and Narutolovehinata5: Thank you very much for checking the hook and taking on this review in general. I hope, all issues have been fixed now. I wonder if the review template at the top needs to be updated to conclude the review? I'm not familiar with the system. Henni147 (talk) 10:11, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Henni147 and AlphaBetaGamma: I'm not sure I find the hook too enticing. Like, the fact that the performer and director were both in/at the Olympics is cool, but not the kind of thing that would make someone likely to read the full article. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Theleekycauldron: The idea behind this hook is that the Echoes of Life Tour is a solo tour of figure skating performances, and figure skating is an Olympic winter sport. Having the only two-time Olympic champion of men's skating since 1952 as the main performer and an Olympic choreographer as a director is basically like watching an Olympic-level performance, which should be triggering enough to read more about it.

Background info: The athletic content of Hanyu's last two solo shows levelled the complexity of the current world record in men's singles (6 clean quadruple jumps among others) and featured multiple Olympic-winning programs. This is not just some fancy ice show, but a serious sports performance as well. Since 'Echoes of Life' is the third installment of the series, the athletic merit is expected to be of the same caliber as its predecessors.

I'll try to figure out how to adjust the hook in a way that it sounds more exciting. I'm open to smart suggestions. Henni147 (talk) 10:02, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Given that this is a figure skating article, maybe Figureskatingfan might have some hook suggestions? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since you asked, I think that ALT3 is fine. How 'bout this for a shorter version, though: ALT4: "... that the Echoes of Life Tour by two-time Olympic figure skating champion Yuzuru Hanyu is directed by Mikiko, a choreographer of the 2016 Summer Olympics closing ceremony?" Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 19:07, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a bit on the long side and may have too many distracting blue links. Maybe it could be revised further? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: ALT4a: ... that the director for Yuzuru Hanyu's Echoes of Life Tour choreographed the 2016 Summer Olympics closing ceremony?--Launchballer 00:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm good with ALT4a. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 04:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that it was proposed for the Jurong East MRT station in Singapore to have a recurring disco to increase its vibrancy?

• Reviewed:
• Comment: Add wikilinks for 'Jurong East MRT station'

Imbluey2 . Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 14:17, 5 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Claiming this for review and hope to get to this within the next few days. For what it's worth I like the hook and think it's interesting. I've made some copyedits to the hook such as linking and bolding. Given that the nominator is Imbluey2 and not ZKang123, no QPQ is necessary. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:43, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article was promoted to GA status on time and I didn't find any close paraphrasing (the 34.6% figure Earwig gives is a false positive). No QPQ is needed for Imbluey2 as nominator (had ZKang123 done the nom, a QPQ would have been required). The hook is interesting and cited inline. My only concern is a minor one: the article/hook and the source do not fully agree. The article says that Yao proposed discos, but the newspaper source said a disco. That may need to be clarified. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:54, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The newspaper said a reoccurring disco in the station. It should be added to the hook as "it was proposed for the Jurong East MRT station in Singapore to host a reoccurring disco party to increase its vibrancy?". Maybe modify the "reoccuring" part since it doesn't really flow well imo. Imbluey2. Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 13:49, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Narutolovehinata5? Can we continue with the DYK nomination? Imbluey2. Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 23:56, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still waiting for the discrepancy to be resolved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:00, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5 fixed the DYK hook to "a recurring disco" since the newspaper source said that it was proposed for people to host a disco. Yeo's quote of justifying his proposal implied that the disco would recurring ("maybe in the evenings", evenings in this context implies reccurance imo). Imbluey2. Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 10:49, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know. The source doesn't outright say "recurring", and while one could argue that the meaning is implied, the lack of a direct support from the source probably makes that specific wording unsafe. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:19, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Just to follow-up, the article and hook still need to match the source before this can be approved.

Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:25, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I've been busy the past few days and forgot about this. Anyways, I was wondering if it's possible to get a third party to comment on this matter? It's unclear what the news article meant so I think we should get someone else's oponion.Imbluey2. Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 15:00, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Trainsandotherthings and SounderBruce: Would it be okay if either of you take a look at this and give feedback on the hook sourcing and wording? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:43, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for the ping. Based on my interpretation of the source, the person proposing the disco wanted to hold it in the evenings (plural) which implies a recurring event. That's just my reading of the source, so I don't claim to be objectively correct. I've placed this discussion on my watchlist for a month, so I'm happy to help out further if needed. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 14:20, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, I'm still waiting for @SounderBruce:'s response. In the meantime, I agree with Trainsandotherthings's interpretation. Or I could propose another DYK for this article.Imbluey2. Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 02:52, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Imbluey2: Per the above, please propose some ALT hooks below. Z1720 (talk) 15:39, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the board game that would become Stratego was designed by a 57-year-old woman with no previous professional game design experience?

• ALT1: ... that little is known of Hermance Edan before she patented her first board game in 1908, at the age of 57? Source: French Patent office, Brevet n° 396.795
• ALT2: ... that L'Attaque, the board game that became Stratego, was patented in 1908 by its designer, a 57-year-old woman? Source: French Patent office, Brevet n° 396.795 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farrest (talk • contribs) 05:06, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Reviewed:
• Comment: I translated this article from the French, so the references in the article may need some work, but Edan's age at the time of her patent seems well-attested. Thanks for your consideration!

Farrest (talk) 20:41, 5 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Article is long, new, and presentable enough, and as well-cited as a figure this obscure can be. The hook cites a reliable source and is quite interesting, as "board game designer" was an extremely rare profession in 1908, and dramatically more so for a single 57-year-old woman. I might like it if the hook included both game names, though — perhaps "... that L'Attaque, the board game that became Stratego, was patented in 1908 by a 57-year-old woman?" Personman (talk) 04:21, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I like this wording, and I've added it above as "Alt2". Thanks! Farrest (talk) 05:10, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Some citations are needed in the article Farrest. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:38, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks, AirshipJungleman29. I've found and added attributions for the two "citation needed" sentences that the original French version had left uncited – the variant games and her record of death. Farrest (talk) 05:13, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How about this reworking?

• ALT0a: ... that Hermance Edan designed the board game that would become Stratego without any professional game development experience?

theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Hmm, your version flows better as a sentence than my original ALT0, but what interested and inspired me when I came across the French article was Edan's gender and her age when she designed the game (especially given the time), so I think it would be more compelling if those facts were included in the hook... what do you think of ALT2, or something like it? Farrest (talk) 04:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  My preference would be for ALT2 or ALT. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 20:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Personman: As the original reviewer, can you check to see that the ALTs are approved and that this article is ready for DYK? Thanks, Z1720 (talk) 15:40, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that a 1962 calypso song commemorated the relaunch of Saint Kitts and Nevis radio station ZIZ?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Typhoon Virginia (1957)
• Comment: It all started last weekend when I Googled up "Caribbean broadcasting call signs" while browsing results for various regional TV stations on a whim. A GBooks result offered a tidbit on an entity called VP2LO, a shortwave outlet that in the years ahead evolved into the Kittitian national broadcaster--a topic I broke ground on back in my early days on WP. (I was lucky to save it from A7 during its December 2007 launch--barely.) Face it, WP is still in dire need of better and more extensive coverage on Caribbean media.

Apologies if I used a thesis here, but regrettably, it's the only source mentioning this factoid--anywhere--as far as Google's aware (WP:AGF). Meanwhile, as I type, Doc Taxon at WP:RX has been taking care of the last three bits we need to get this finished.

First of two DYK candidates of mine before Milton approaches my home area; see you in another couple of hours with the next one.

P.S. Wonder if there are any established editors from Saint Kitts and Nevis itself? (I myself hail from Dominica.)

P.P.S. As always, special greetings to Barbados' CaribDigita (talk · contribs) and Trinidad's Guettarda (talk · contribs)--along with SafariScribe (talk · contribs), who approved one of my recent go-rounds at AFC, The Right and the Wrong.

Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 23:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Starting review...
• Article is long enough.
• DYK Check is claiming that the 5x requirement is not met. Slgrandson could you walk me through the details of when you began and finish the 5x expansion?
  • From October 4 till October 9. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 23:12, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • OK, that works. I don't know why DYKCheck couldn't figure it out. RoySmith (talk) 23:25, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• QPQ supplied, although based on recent discussions, some might not consider it a full review.
• Sourcing generally appears fine with WP:RS (except see below) and appropriate in-line citations.
• Earwig doesn't call out any copyvio problems.
• TIL the word "calypsonian"
• Hook fact is mentioned in the article, but I'm not sure we can accept the source. WP:SCHOLARSHIP says Masters dissertations and theses are considered reliable only if they can be shown to have had significant scholarly influence. Can that be shown for this thesis? If not, then we'll need a different hook. RoySmith (talk) 02:30, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT1: ... that after two decades off the air, former Saint Kitts and Nevis shortwave station ZIZ was revived as an AM service in 1961? Sources: Inniss, Sir Probyn (1979). Historic Basseterre: The Story of Its Growth. Basseterre, Saint Kitts: Self-published. p. 63. OCLC 10695770. / Great Britain Foreign and Commonwealth Office (1966). "Broadcasting". St. Kitts-Nevis-Anguilla: Report for the Years 1959–1962. His Majesty's Stationery Office (HMSO). p. 63. Retrieved 2024-11-14 – via Google Books. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 23:12, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • The problem here is that's a WP:SPS, so we're still looking for a reliably sourced hook. RoySmith (talk) 23:26, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that despite the classical music education her wealthy family had her study, Celie Ellis Turner chose to join comic opera and farce theatre over her parents' objections?

ALT1 ... that despite her classical music education and her family's objections to her becoming a stage actress, Celie Ellis Turner chose to join the theatre to perform comic opera and farce?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hathumoda

Silverseren^C 19:38, 8 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Looks good. Nice work. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:43, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Theleekycauldron, BeanieFan11, Silver seren, Fram, and Secretlondon: this nom has been reopened for further thought, following issues raised at WP:ERRORS (peramlink: [3]) about the hook / article integrity (article talks about an argument over theatre acting, not over comic opera specifically) and also a thought that linking the classical music education to the argument with the family with the word despite isn't supported by sourcing. Suggest a rework to make this more robust.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:59, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I made corrections to the article along those lines, but then forgot to go back and update the hook. that one's on me! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her)

Amakuru, this is, honestly, nonsense. Comic opera and farce is the type of theatre acting and performances she went into. They objected to her doing theatre acting and she did anyways, becoming a star in comic opera and farce theatre. Where is the contradiction? Silverseren^C 00:02, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As noted, there are two issues that I can see with this. Firstly, the "despite" seems to be misplaced - comic opera is a form of classical music, so it's not like her musical education went to waste while she pursued something totally different. You're inserting a link between those things that isn't sourced. And secondly, the article text and the source specifically say it was stage acting specifically that the family objected to. That might have a logical corrollary that they wouldn't approve of comic opera and farce, but the DYK rules require accuracy in this matter. The hook, article and source must match in what they say, not require logical leaps. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 00:17, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amakuru, is that ALT better since I've minorly rearranged things? Silverseren^C 00:24, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re-review of ALT requested. Silverseren^C 00:46, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Diane Leather was the first woman to run a mile in under five minutes?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Typhoon Thelma (1977)

Oldelpaso (talk) 22:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Can we do better than this? If any woman has run the mile in under 5 minutes, someone had to be the first, and the hook doesn't provide any more information. (t · c) buidhe 23:51, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you saying a world record isn't notable and/or hook worthy? Or are you asking for more context such as a link to Mile run world record progression? I was trying to keep the hook as succinct as possible. Oldelpaso (talk) 02:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Another issue is that the hook proposed is a "first" hook, which per WP:DYKHOOK usually needs exceptionally strong sourcing given the exceptional claim involved (how are we sure that no other woman before Leather ran a mile in under five minutes?) Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:21, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article includes cites describing her in those terms from the World Athletics website (the organisation that ratifies world records in the discipline, formerly known as the IAAF)[4], the BBC [5], Guardian [6], NYT [7], Washington Post [8] and others. Oldelpaso (talk) 21:37, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I could work in some reference to Roger Bannister in the hook, as his far more well-known first sub-four minute mile occurred the same month and thus they are frequently compared, but I'd rather not. It was how overlooked Leather's achievement was compared to the male equivalent that prompted me to expand the article in the first place! Oldelpaso (talk) 21:55, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... ALT1 ... that Diane Leather's records for the mile in 1953 and 1954 were labelled "world best" rather than "world record" because the distance was not officially recognised for women until 1967? @Oldelpaso, Narutolovehinata5, and Buidhe: See source here. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 00:32, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A bit of a late comment, but ALT1 is probably a lot better because it's not a "first" hook and is thus more likely to be accurate. Plus it's also arguably more intriguing than a simple "first" hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:16, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Musa al-Gharbi has argued since the 2016 election of Donald Trump that media outlets including The New York Times opinion page and MSNBC have failed to understand his supporters?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/School lunch in Japan
• Comment: A bit late of a nomination. Thank you Oganguly for your help! I would like this to run on 6 November, the day after the US Presidential election.

Thriley (talk) 07:16, 18 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Comment: Thank you Thriley, for this. I will post a detailed review tomorrow. _Regards, Aafi ^(talk) 18:02, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Hi Thriley, Here follows the review:

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting: - ?

QPQ: Done.

Overall: _Regards, Aafi ^(talk) 15:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Although all checks are okay, I am not happy with how the proposed hook is worded? 183 characters is quite close to 200. Could you please suggest a few more hooks? _Regards, Aafi ^(talk) 15:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that one of the oldest European manga and anime fandoms is located in Poland, dating to the mid-90s? Source: Reczulski (2023, pp. 117–118, 266) - book is in Polish, but open access as a pdf so a dedicated reader can translate it via machine translation, if you don't want to just AGF
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Battle Hymns (Manowar album)

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that , since it was deconsecrated, the Church of Santa Maria Maggiore in Santa Croce, Venice, has been used as a stable and a tobacco warehouse and that its grounds now house a prison? Source: http://www.veneziamuseo.it/TERRA/Santa_Croce/Crose/crose_cie_mazor.htm https://cultura.gov.it/luogo/chiesa-di-santa-maria-maggiore-di-venezia https://www.invenicetoday.com/%5C/tour/chiese/Santa-Croce/Chiesa-di-Santa-Maria-Maggiore.htm https://storico.beniculturali.it/mibac/opencms/MiBAC/sito-MiBAC/Luogo/MibacUnif/Luoghi-della-Cultura/visualizza_asset.html?id=153604&pagename=57
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hollywood Boulevard Commercial and Entertainment District

Bogger (talk) 08:13, 15 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• The current hook is a bit hard to read and might need some trimming. How about:

ALT1 ... that following its deconsecration, the Church of Santa Maria Maggiore in Venice and its grounds have been used as a stable, a tobacco warehouse, and a prison?

Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:06, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article also has a couple of stub tags (which it shouldn't have, since it's not a stub); both need to be removed before this is approved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:18, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bogger: Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:17, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: Removed. ALT1 also fine by me.-Bogger (talk) 08:05, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Sachin–Jigar's 2024 single "Aaj Ki Raat" from the film Stree 2 peaked at #1 on Billboard India for consecutive thirteen weeks through 18 August 2024 to 16 November 2024?

• ALT1: ... that Sachin–Jigar's 2024 single "Aaj Ki Raat" from the film Stree 2 was shot on Tamannaah Bhatia's birthday in the 5 degree temperature? Source: https://www.aninews.in/news/entertainment/bollywood/its-special-because-i-shot-it-on-my-birthday-tamannaah-bhatia-on-her-song-aaj-ki-raat-from-stree-220240727200804/
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Doris Ilda Allen

KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 16:44, 11 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Elin Falk revolutionised the teaching of gymnastics in Swedish schools in the early twentieth century?

• Reviewed:

MumphingSquirrel (talk) 21:01, 17 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral: - Edits needed, article in wikivoice praises the subject at various points
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
• Other problems: - Use of primary sources might be an issue

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting: - discuss, please offer an ALT or two

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Great to see this article. I have questions about the choice and use of some sources. I think these can all be corrected, and some discussion may be beneficial. ProfGray (talk) 19:45, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Hook: "revolutionised" seems laudatory and afaik that word is not in the source; "reform" is used and seems more NPOV. Would help to have a hook that says something about the reforms, such as from a military to a more playful style. Or about how the reforms were met with anger and condemnation.
• Posture not mentioned in source cited, but perhaps "correcting body position" is meant?
• Primary sources are at current footnotes #1, #4. And #7 is by the subject herself. #2 unclear. Second opinion would be helpful here.
• Source #5 links to a WP article IINM, seems to need correction.
• It'd be helpful to find more independent sources about her.
• Overly praising POV includes: "Like so many innovative thinkers, Falk met opposition in her lifetime, with full recognition and appreciation," "Newspapers became involved, publishing condemnation of the exercises without having read about them, let alone tried them" (i.e., critical of her critics), praising: "was as critical of herself as of others, jetisoning any of her ideas which did not work as she had hoped," ProfGray (talk) 20:11, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Gutidara is played with balls made from water buffalo's horns? Source: Translated Source 1 Translated Source 2
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Yoon Do-young
  • Comment: Article is created 3 days ago, complies with pros and character size. Originally translated from corresponding Bengali article. Any copyedit is always welcome for betterment.

I have already completed 2 QPQs (1, 2). FaysaLBinDaruL (talk) 18:37, 16 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Chen Qiyou, a would-be assassin, later became part of the Chinese Committee for World Peace?

• ALT1: ... that Chen Qiyou was made a personal representative of Chiang Kai-shek in Hong Kong, but later published a newspaper challenging his leadership? Source: Song Yuzhi (宋淯知) (5 September 2018). 陈其尤：其心昭昭 致公情尤 [Chen Qiyou: His Heart is Clear and His Love for the Public is Strong]. China Children's Press (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 13 October 2024. Retrieved 13 October 2024 – via Xinhai Revolution Network.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Cock Destroyers (2 of 2)

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:45, 14 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Manipuri socialist politician Thokchom Chandrasekhar Singh was jailed for 12 months for protests in favour of restoring the state legislative assembly?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Anticlea elegans

Soman (talk) 15:15, 13 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that out of 148 candidates in the 1957 Manipur Territorial Council election there was only one woman?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Dundonald House

Soman (talk) 15:12, 13 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that as a nine-year-old, disability rights advocate Anastasia Somoza lobbied U.S president Bill Clinton for her twin sister to be allowed to join her in a mainstream classroom? Source: Desert News
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kiki Wong

Innisfree987 (talk) 09:30, 13 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Nazi crimes against children resulted in over two million victims, from actions such as euthanasia to kidnapping and mass murder? Source: 2m estimate from cited book Lukas (1994). For other keywords, see academic sources cited in relevant sections
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Destruction of cultural heritage during the Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:09, 13 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that in 1967, two mathematicians published PhD dissertations independently disproving the same thirteen-year-old conjecture?

• Reviewed:
• Comment: If the reviewer doesn't have ProQuest access, I can provide a copy of Huneke's dissertation over email.

jlwoodwa (talk) 19:15, 16 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Starting review...
• Article is new enough and long enough
• Sources all appear to be WP:RS and for the most part, adequately cited with in-line citations. There are however two {{citation needed}} tags which need to be addressed.
• Earwig calls out a few phrases here and there but they all look like technical terms which can't be rephrased, so no problems there.
• Extra brownie points for taking an exceptionally technical article and writing a hook which will appeal to most readers. RoySmith (talk) 22:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jlwoodwa: just want to make sure you saw this. RoySmith (talk) 01:18, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@RoySmith: Thanks for the ping. I've removed the first statement tagged with {{citation needed}} (since WillisBlackburn said on the talk page that it turned out to be false), and added a citation for the other statement. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:58, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at this closer, I see that there's still some statements that need citations. I've added some more {{citation needed}} tags. My apologies for not picking up on this the first time. RoySmith (talk) 02:06, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Bliss, the default wallpaper of Windows XP, was initially a stock photo? Source: Rooke, Hannah (August 7, 2023). "Have You Seen the "Most Viewed Photo Ever"?". Digital Camera World. Archived from the original on October 8, 2024. Retrieved October 7, 2024.
  • ALT1: ... that the lush rolling hill of Bliss, the default wallpaper of Windows XP, is now covered with vineyards? Source: Rooke, Hannah (August 7, 2023). "Have You Seen the "Most Viewed Photo Ever"?". Digital Camera World. Archived from the original on October 8, 2024. Retrieved October 7, 2024.
  • ALT2: ... that Bliss, the default wallpaper of Windows XP, was photographed in Sonoma County, California? Source: Rooke, Hannah (August 7, 2023). "Have You Seen the "Most Viewed Photo Ever"?". Digital Camera World. Archived from the original on October 8, 2024. Retrieved October 7, 2024.
  • ALT3: ... that Bliss, the default wallpaper of Windows XP, was photographed by a former National Geographic photographer? Source: Rooke, Hannah (August 7, 2023). "Have You Seen the "Most Viewed Photo Ever"?". Digital Camera World. Archived from the original on October 8, 2024. Retrieved October 7, 2024.
  • ALT4: ... that the rolling hill of Bliss, the default wallpaper of Windows XP, was captured after a phylloxera infestation? Source: Cain, Abigail (July 3, 2017). "The Story Behind the World's Most Famous Desktop Background". Artsy. Archived from the original on July 13, 2024. Retrieved October 7, 2024.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1909 Chinese provincial elections

Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 17:06, 15 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Would you like to include the wallpaper itself as image hook? I think the nostalgic value it provides would make the hook even more interesting. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 05:47, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bliss is still copyrighted right? DYK doesn't allow fair-use pictures to be used on the Main Page unfortunately. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is copyrighted and owned by Microsoft. It would be cool to include the photograph but I'm unsure if DYK rules allow this. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 20:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

From WP:DYKIMG: The media must be freely licensed—fair-use images are not permitted on the Main Page. So the answer is no. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:44, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• May I suggest the short-and-sweet "ALT5: ... that you can find bliss in California?" (or the passive voice but less funny "... that bliss can be found in California") as a potential April Fools fact? Leafy46 (talk) 03:41, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd rather prefer other proposed blurbs. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the director of Yen and Ai-Lee created the film to collaborate with his actress wife?

• ALT1: ... that Yen and Ai-Lee is the first Taiwanese film to win a Kim Jiseok Award at the Busan International Film Festival? Source: ^[2]
• ALT2: ... that the dual roles played by Kimi Hsia in Yen and Ai-Lee were originally conceived as two distinct characters? Source: ^[3]
• ALT3: ... that the 2024 film Yen and Ai-Lee is shot in black-and-white? Source: ^[4][5]
• ALT4: ... that Yen and Ai-Lee was set in Meinong District, Kaohsiung, because the director felt its landscape was suitable for black-and-white cinematography? Source: ^[6]
• ALT5: ... that the opening scene of Yen and Ai-Lee was rewritten as a long take due to rain during filming? Source: ^[7]
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Pan He

Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 14:34, 15 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - ?
• Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article is new enough, long enough. I prefer ALT5, but it isn't quite cited in the article (the phrasing is similar, but it doesn't say it explicitly even though the hook supports it). All of the other hooks look okay, though given how frequently B&W is used for an auteur look I'm not keen on emphasizing that part. Earwig shows no issues, but the sources are all in Chinese, so AGF there.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Ratnākara may have invented the poetic device of vakrokti ("verbal distortion")?

• ALT1: ... that Ratnākara's Vakroktipañcāśikā contains fifty verses of dialogue between Śiva and Pārvatī, employing the poetic device of vakrokti ("verbal distortion")?
• ALT2: ... that a now-lost chronicle of the kings of Kashmir, covering two "gaps" in Kalhaṇa's Rājataraṅginī, is attributed to Ratnākara?
• Reviewed:

TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 07:48, 15 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• A new hook with additional context might be needed here, as the typical reader might not understand the intended meaning of the hook. Essentially, it might not meet WP:DYKINT, specifically the part about specialist knowledge. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:29, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Narutolovehinata5:, I've expanded the hook to make it clearer, and added two alternative hooks. I have no significant preference for any of them over others; feel free to chose any or suggest improvements if this is still unsatisfactory. I could add a note in the article explaining vakrokti in detail if current wording feels too confusing. regards, TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 10:17, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It might be better to just focus on ALT2 as ALT1 still seems to rely on specialist knowledge and not something that's self-evident from a reading. ALT2 is still slightly specialist but it's at least more understandable. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:02, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that at the 2018 Batman by-election, the Division of Batman was politically divided by the "hipster-proof fence" or "quinoa curtain"?

• ALT1: ... that the 2018 Batman by-election caused significant in-fighting within the Australian Greens that damaged their campaign at the 2018 Victorian state election? Source: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-29/greens-blame-internal-problems-negative-media-for-election-loss/10950124
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bill Morrow (Australian politician)

GraziePrego (talk) 03:11, 15 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Not a reivew, however an alternative hook:
  • ALT2: ... that during the 2018 Batman by-election campaign Teresa van Lieshout, a perennial candidate, taped their mouth shut and picketed a candidates' forum when they weren't invited? Source: https://www.northweststar.com.au/story/5269156/batman-by-election-candidates-speak-out/

TarnishedPath^talk 06:38, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Another alt hook suggestion, for maximum quirkiness:
  • ALT3: ... that Batman had a "hipster-proof fence"? Source: [9]

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 21:16, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Vigilantcosmicpenguin your suggested alt isn't supported by the source you gave, however it is supported by https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-17/voters-head-to-polls-for-batman-byelection/9553388. @GraziePrego, what do you think of the suggested alts? Also it appears that you need to do QPQ for one review. TarnishedPath^talk 05:46, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would be happy with either of the suggested Alt hooks, I think I'm happy to let a reviewer choose between them and the original ones I suggested. I have also done a QPQ by reviewing the DYK for Bill Morrow (Australian politician). GraziePrego (talk) 07:03, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies, I'm new to this and wasn't reading all of the nomination. TarnishedPath^talk 03:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that in exchange for thousands of acres, Frank A. Kimball brought a transcontinental rail terminus to National City, California?

• ALT1: ... that in 1880, Frank A. Kimball helped organize the first San Diego County Fair? Source: "Remembering the history of San Diego's county fair"
• ALT2: ... that Frank A. Kimball's efforts led to the construction of the Sweetwater Dam? Source: "Sweetwater Dam: Foresight of Frank Kimball prominent in centennial"
• ALT3: ... that the olive oil mill constructed by Frank A. Kimball was the second one constructed in the United States? Source: Phillips, Irene (1960). Mission Olive Industry and other South Bay Stories. National City, California: South Bay Press.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tea production in Indonesia
• Comment: Article created through work in a draft space over multiple edit-a-thons organized by the San Diego Central Library in cooperation with San Diego Wikimedians User Group. Content was moved from user draftspace to mainspace on October 16, 2024; the article has 7228 characters, significant number of citations through out its prose, neutrally written, and is free of copyright violations. All hooks are under 200 characters. Image is in the public domain.

RightCowLeftCoast (Moo) 03:42, 17 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Hi @RightCowLeftCoast:! This article is new enough, long enough, no copyvio, certainly well-sourced. I think the first hook is the most interesting. QPQ done.

This is nice work, but I have some problems to address: I don't understand the phrase "build a transcontinental railroad Pacific terminus" on the page, could you clear it up? Do we know why Kimball wrote a family history of Estudillo? Was he a relation? Otherwise that sentence is a bit out of left field. The information in the lede about him donating land for cemeteries, schools, and churches is not in the body, could you incorporate it (and maybe elaborate on it)? The current DYK image is not sufficiently clear at this resolution (but this image, which is already used on the page, probably would be). Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 19:02, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the first hook probably has the wrong citation. I can't see anything about thousands of acres. Maybe a citation to this would be more appropriate? Tenpop421 (talk) 19:06, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@RightCowLeftCoast, SDPLPauline, Dasee8y, and Thinkstationx220: Responses needed to the above. Z1720 (talk) 15:44, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've added clarification/a page number on the citation (page 191). I've clarified the terminus paragraph. It did sound odd. I'll see about getting the body to elaborate more on the cemetaries/schools/etc. Thank you. --SDPLPauline (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the adoption of a Muscogee orphan Lyncoya by Andrew Jackson was framed by Jackson's political allies as a defense against charges that Jackson was a bloodthirsty Indian killer?
  • Reviewed: Hyborian War

KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• TYSM for the nice nomination KAVEBEAR! I am here at everybody's convenience for comments questions revisions etc. Cheers, jengod (talk) 03:23, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Source for this hook: "For Jackson and his supporters, however, Lyncoya remained Jackson's "benevolent object." By telling the story of Lyncoya's adoption, they tried to craft Jackson into more than a military general who had slaughtered Indigenous peoples." From doi:10.18130/V3Q364 Rachel Jackson and the Search for Zion, 1760s-1830s, Gismondi, Melissa, University of Virginia, p. 152 jengod (talk) 00:16, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Public domain image that's not too trauma-porn, just FYI --> File:Images from Pictorial Life of Andrew Jackson 1847 by John Frost illustrated by William Croome 04.jpg jengod (talk) 04:04, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Liliget Feast House featured a longhouse-style interior designed by architect Arthur Erickson?

• ALT1: ... that Liliget Feast House grilled food over alder wood fire to emulate food preparation in the Gitxsan villages the restaurant's owner grew up in? Source: “We grill most everything over fire,” Watts says proudly. “We use alder wood so that everything we cook tastes so much like the food we used to eat in our villages.” "Dolly Watts Business and Commerce (2001)". Indspire. 20 November 2014. Retrieved 16 October 2024.
• ALT2: ... that ambience in the Liliget Feast House included chants, "laughing water", and pan flute music? Source: "It's in the style of the coastal Northwestern tribes, and they play "laughing water" and chants for ambience." Greenberg, Peter (23 July 2002). Travel Detective Flight Crew Confidential: People Who Fly for a Living Reveal Insider Secrets and Hidden Values in Cities and Airports Around the World. Random House Publishing Group. ISBN 978-1-58836-127-1. Retrieved 16 October 2024.
  "a place where the walls are adorned by a striking selection of native art and where pan flute music fills the air." Colombara, Michael (1999). "Restaurant Reviews 1999". Pacific Rim Magazine. Langara College. Retrieved 16 October 2024.
• ALT3: ... that "unusual choices" at Liliget Feast House included wind-dried salmon and pan-fried oolichans? Source: "Wind-dried salmon and pan-fried oolichans (candlefish, a member of the smelt family) are some of the unusual choices at Liliget Feast House, 1724 Davie Street, (604) 681-7044, which specializes in Northwest Coast Indian food." Carmichael, Suzanne (28 April 1996). "WHAT'S DOING IN;Vancouver". The New York Times. Retrieved 16 October 2024.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Teniky
• Comment: I know MOS:DYKPIPE exists, but unless I direct the link to the much more broad "longhouse" article, I can't go link the Longhouses of the Indigenous peoples of North America article, which is much more lengthy. If there is a solution that can be used to resolve this, then I am all ears. As it stands though, there is no clean solution to make it more specific without featuring a pipe. ALT1 is a bit wordy, so if there is a more brisk wording, I am welcome to an alternative hook. ALT2's source refers to "laughing water" in quotations but has no explanation, I assume it refers to water sounds, but there is no further elaboration. Regardless, I thank the reviewer for their time and hope they have a wonderful experience learning about this piece of Vancouver's history. I hope I can work on the third part of this article series shortly.

Ornithoptera (talk) 22:16, 16 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the inn serving Port Mercer, New Jersey, was rumored to employ prostitutes imported from Trenton?

• ALT1: ... that locals in the New Jersey community of Port Mercer set up targets along the Delaware and Raritan Canal to coax bargemen into throwing them coal? Source: https://www.westwindsorhistory.com/portmercer.html
• Reviewed:

Lbal (talk) 22:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Sean Combs promised not to spill champagne on the Declaration of Independence?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Middlesex Regiment alien labour units

No Swan So Fine (talk) 21:17, 23 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Hello No Swan So Fine: article created within a week of nomination; QPQ checks out; hook is interesting; no copyvio detected; source checks out. My only question: would it be better to call Mr. Combs by his more well known name of P. Diddy or Diddy? I'm not sure if I'd click on the DYK if it said Sean Combs, I'd be much more likely to do so if it said Diddy, given the recent news and memes. My only thought. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 05:12, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that despite studying fruit flies for her Westinghouse Science Talent Search-winning experiment and doctoral dissertation, Rada Dyson-Hudson later moved to anthropology in East Africa? Source: V. Rada Dyson-Hudson ... became the second Long Islander to win, for a study of fruit flies + Various species of her dissertation is on Drosophila + the American Anthropologist source
  • ALT1: ... that despite originally studying fruit fly genetics as a student, Rada Dyson-Hudson later moved to anthropology in East Africa? Source: American Anthropologist source
  • ALT2: ... that anthropologist Rada Dyson-Hudson was denied academic tenure at Johns Hopkins University and Cornell University despite her academic record and capabilities? Source: American Anthropologist source
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kylian Portal (Kylian Portal)
  • Comment: For some reason, WL access to Wiley's American Anthropologist went off after I finished using the ref for this article, so I'll have to AGF for now.

ミラP@Miraclepine 21:28, 22 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Kenneth Creer supported the expanding Earth theory, and suggested that the Earth's expansion rate was related to cosmology and analogous to the Hubble constant?

• Reviewed:
• Comment: Interesting fact snippet on a page I just made.

Spiralwidget (talk) 12:09, 20 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Thank you for this new article and hook. The article is long enough and new enough (DYK nomination 2 days after creation), the article is free from copyvio problems, and the sources are sufficient and reliable. QPQ is not needed. The hook at the moment is hard to understand: it is not clear why it might be surprising thar Creer supported the expanding Earth hypothesis; and the second half of the hook probably doesn't mean much to someone who isn't familiar with the Hubble constant.

• A simpler hook might work better, perhaps along the lines that ' a geophysicist.. once supported the expanding Earth theory', and spelling out what this might mean (i.e. 0.6 mm / yr expansion, in Kragh's reference?. I can't access the 'Discovery' paper, but there is a Nature paper by Creer in 1965 where he explains how he might test the expanding Earth theory using perspex shells (https://www.nature.com/articles/205539a0) - perhaps there's an angle for a hook there? And there is a book review by Creer from 1976, where he says he found himself 'prepared to consider .. slow expansion of about 1% in radius since the Permian' https://doi.org/10.1016/0031-9201(77)90099-1
• Perhaps consider creating one or two alternative hooks? One final point to clarify - in the nomination it suggests that the article was 'created by Helge Kragh'; I presume this is a typo - the source reference you cite is by Kragh? @Spiralwidget:Chaiten1 (talk) 23:03, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Hi Chaiten1! Yes, that was a typo-I was the one who created the article. Spiralwidget (talk) 00:28, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Luo Shiwen (pictured) led a secret cell of the Chinese Communist Party while detained at a Kuomintang concentration camp?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Anaïs Gallagher (3 of 3)

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:06, 18 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - Much of the article is cited to sources like "Devoting One's Efforts to the Party and the People is the Least of One's Worries——Deeds of Martyr Luo Shiwen", which doesn't speak well to their reliability. There is no consensus that Chinese government published sources are reliable for heroic deeds of party members (see, eg, WP:XINHUA).
• Neutral: - Unclear, see above
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - ? Unable to evaluate translation copyvio from Chinese language sources

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting: - Hook could use improvement. Such underground groups developed in so many locations that political prisoners are jailed together

Image eligibility:

• Freely licensed:
• Used in article:
• Clear at 100px: - Bad quality pic, main page viewers would be better served by not running it

QPQ: Done.

Overall: (t · c) buidhe 04:59, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Hi Buidhe. Thank you for taking a look at this article, though I note that you are supposed to notify the article's creator if you find issues.

Referring to WP:XINHUA, which you mentioned in your review, the quorum mentioned there reads "Caution should be exercised in using this source, extremely so in case of extraordinary claims on controversial subjects or biographies of living people. When in doubt, try to find better sources instead; use inline attribution if you must use Xinhua." Little mentioned in the Luo Xinhua article crosses the bar of "extraordinary claims", and what does cross that bar is specifically attributed to the source (with an indication that it is state-owned). He lived, he did something, he was detained, he was executed. Where these government sources have been used, I have been careful not to use their description of persons whom the CCP has no reason to like (for example, the conflict with Zhang Guotao is cited to Howard rather than the decidedly less neutral CCP sources, and discussion of Xifeng is cited predominantly to a Harvard University Press book). Likewise, I have deliberately excluded politically charged claims such as Luo's father being bankrupted by the high ROC taxes.

As per WP:PARTISAN, "reliable sources are not required to be neutral, unbiased, or objective." WP:CONTEXTMATTERS clarifies that "Each source must be carefully weighed to judge whether it is reliable for the statement being made in the Wikipedia article and is an appropriate source for that content." In this case, the sources are used specifically for basic statements of biography. Where statements were extraordinary, such as Mao and Zhou specifically asking for Luo's release, it has been attributed to the source with an indication of the source's potential bias.

As for the hook, I am deliberately avoiding claims that are sourced exclusively to state-media. How do you feel about:

ALT1 ... that Luo Shiwen (pictured) led a secret cell of the Chinese Communist Party that negotiated better conditions for inmates at their concentration camp?

That ALT is supported entirely by Mühlhahn. Regards,  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:28, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Xinhua is, according to consensus, generally reliable for factual reporting except in areas where the government of China may have a reason to use it for propaganda, but this topic is exactly one where the Chinese government would have an interest in distorting its own history in order to make the CCP look better. Perhaps other reviewers would have a different opinion, but I don't think that Chinese government published sources should be cited so heavily. (In case you are looking for additional sources, this one is accessible via TWL and seems to mention the article subject). (t · c) buidhe 00:48, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I think I have Wakeman sitting around somewhere. I'll cite that for a few points, and I can cite some more to the pithy provided by Howard. That being said, a blanket prohibition against mainland Chinese sources (we've been talking about Xinhua, but Sichuan Annals are cited more prevalently, and both the original books and the web edition have the same government ties) for a figure of little interest to KMT historians does seem counter-productive. It may be best to have a third opinion. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:39, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Buidhe: Have your concerns been resolved and is this approved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 23:29, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I think we were looking at having a third party take a look, but I wasn't sure how to proceed.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:17, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also don't think there should be a ban on CCP sources for uncontroversial statements. I'll investigate further when my head's a bit clearer.--Launchballer 10:55, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Or indeed, any Chinese government-backed sources; claims should be assessed on their merits. (They probably aren't making up "son of a saltmonger", for example.) @Buidhe: what specific sentences are you objecting to?--Launchballer 13:06, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My interpretation (see above) is that there is a consensus that the Chinese government sources are not reliable where they have an incentive to lie for propaganda purposes. When it comes to the heroic deeds of a Communist party member, there is an obvious incentive for propaganda. This does not apply to basic biographical information that does not reflect positively or negatively on the subject (t · c) buidhe 02:12, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Crisco 1492: Are you able to find other, more reliable sources to verify the information? Z1720 (talk) 15:48, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Hi Z1720; as I mentioned above, I have attributed all extraordinary claims to non-Party sources, or made it explicit that sources may be biased in the running text. The remainder is, to the best of my assessment, basic biographic data (for example, "At the time, following the May Fourth Movement and in the midst of the New Culture Movement, he and his cousins had begun reading communist publication", cited to the Sichuan Annals). One might object to "inciting more [peasant] uprisings", but given that was the standard MO of the CCP in the 1930s, I don't feel that it meets the extraordinary or heroic threshold.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:00, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the article, I don't think any of the claims sourced to refs 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 13, 17, 18, or 19 meet the criteria outlined at WP:EXCEPTIONAL.--Launchballer 01:18, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that an article about Lizzie Esau was nominated for an award? Source: https://www.spajournalism.com/spanc23-national-awards-shortlists-announced/
  • ALT1: ... that after trying to replicate the live sound of "Wait Too Late" in a studio and failing twice, Lizzie Esau recorded the song in a castle? Source: https://readdork.com/features/lizzie-esau-hype-cover-feature-april24/
  • ALT2: ... that Lizzie Esau covered a 1955 song for a 2024 series about a 1553 Queen? Source: for 1955, see https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/bo-diddley-the-guitarist-who-inspired-the-rolling-stones-dies-6837140.html; for everything else, see https://www.nme.com/news/tv/heres-every-song-in-my-lady-jane-on-amazon-prime-video-3769025
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Liberalism in the Philippines

Launchballer 09:03, 18 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that in the 1950s, Michel Klein (pictured) opened one of the first veterinary practices in Paris?

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/240 Centre Street

Thriley (talk) 22:29, 25 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• The article lacks some basic biographical facts: he was born in Sighet (not in generic northwestern Romania), and he was Jewish, the specific reason most of his family perished at Auschwitz. In Toulouse, he did not attend an unspecified veterinary school, but the École nationale vétérinaire de Toulouse. He was not simply in the vast “French Resistance”, but, as the first source I supplied indicates, in a network run by the Special Operations Executive. And so on. (@Dahn:, this may be of interest.) — Biruitorul ^Talk 06:40, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Thriley and ForsythiaJo: Please address the above.--Launchballer 01:20, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Izvestiya Soveta rabochikh i soldatskikh deputatov goroda Askhabada was the first Bolshevik newspaper published in the Transcaspian Oblast?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Od Warszawy do Ojcowa

Soman (talk) 17:35, 19 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that a Syrian filmmaker repurposed footage from his first film in his last film in order to criticize his younger self?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Panhandle Gap and Template:Did you know nominations/History of education in Wales (1870–1939)

꧁Zanahary꧂ 07:38, 19 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• I'm not sure how this hook squares up against the rules to avoid hooks solely based on the content of works, but regardless of that, I am not sure how it's interesting or relevant that, basically, the filmmaker changed his mind about something... (t · c) buidhe 23:35, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• That rule is: If the subject of the hook is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must be focused on a real-world fact. This is a real-world fact about a nonfiction work. As for the fact, I think it's definitely unusual and remarkable for a filmmaker to make a film criticizing his own work. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 08:12, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

•  Doing... ミラP@Miraclepine 18:33, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - Earwig says that phrases like "advent of the dam" and "through the lens of salvage ethnography" and "with an eighteenth-century BCE limestone statue of the goddess Ishtar excavated from the" are identical to what's in the abstract of ref 2, so they could be changed to avoid close paraphrasing unless it can't be avoided. "Naive early enthusiasm" is similar to "earlier naive enthusiasm" in ref 4, so "Naive early" or just "early" could be changed to "initial" if possible. Otherwise the whole thing's good.

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Nominated on creation day and sized at 2360 B. Can't access refs 2 and 3 to verify anything so will AGF. @Zanahary: I have to agree with you this hook is interesting based on your explanation, but fix the paraphrasing issue and you're good to go. Film Essay on the Euphrates Dam, which is linked in the hook, is a stub sized at 233 B, so if you want to expand it and make it a second bold, feel free to do so and ping me if you're done; I can even hold the nom for you for the time being. ミラP@Miraclepine 19:01, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review Miraclepine! I’ll fix the paraphrasing. I can also try to expand A Flood in Ba’ath Country. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 20:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Zanahary: I've found the fix satisfactory. I'll approve Film Essay on the Euphrates Dam, but ping me once A Flood in Baath Country is sufficiently expanded. ミラP@Miraclepine 20:33, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Miraclepine: I've done it! ꧁Zanahary꧂ 20:41, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Zanahary: Thank you. I'm busy with school right now and with other things, but I'll review this tonight or tomorrow. ミラP@Miraclepine 20:50, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Zanahary: Since your hook now has two bolded articles, please do a second QPQ. ミラP@Miraclepine 16:48, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Miraclepine: Done! here. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 17:41, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Zanahary: Thank you, I'll start reviewing the article now. And for the record: I'm putting it to where the first QPQ is listed for convenience. ミラP@Miraclepine 17:43, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - See below.
• Neutral: - Ref 21 says that the report of the cancellation (but not what the report led to) was a rumor; fix Jeune Afrique sentence to say that, and also to for due weight to note that the JCC organizers affirmed their anti-censorship guarantee at the time. I think the "strongly" in "strongly criticizes" is MOS:EDITORIALizing? Otherwise it's all good.
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - See below.

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Zanahary: Yeah, this article has serious problems with close paraphrasing which need to be fixed, as well as some issues with WP:V.

Extended content

Regarding WP:V issues: About the infobox: need a source for the producers, cinematography, editor, distributor, running-time, country, and languages. Ref 1 said "some film pirates" but not "two", fix that. Ref 9 says "mistake" but ref 10 says "distress", fix this to clarify what word to use. Ref 9 says it was named after his family but not him himself. Fix "nephew of a local Ba'ath Party leader" -> "nephew of said village's chief" since the ref says the local Baath Party leader is the nephew, not the chief. Refs 32 and 33 don't say he was going to Beirut (but rather Jordan), that it was an airport he was detained at, or (directly) that the Al Arabiya broadcast was in Syria, just that it was to Syrian viewers, so change "aired in Syria" -> "was also seen by Syrian viewers" Ref 12 only says he was a tribal chief but not what tribe and is redundant anyway because ref 14 says he was a leader of the tribe and what tribe it was; relocate ref 12 from that sentence to fix the confusion. Ref 19 is literally redundant to 24. The "won the award for best short film" needs only ref 20. Ref 27 is redundant to 25/26 (and I don't speak Arabic anyway, so I'll AGF since video is not something I can easily translate unlike text) I also need clarity on what the working title is: NYT and Reason say Fifteen Reasons Why I Hate the Baath (both caps), but Fifteen Reasons Why I Hate the Baath Party is used by The Douglas Hyde (uncaps) Masress (uncaps) Eclipse of the Sunnis by Deborah Amos (caps) (worst case scenario we use a footnote). Now, this is the full list of CLOP issues: "one of the leaders of Busha’ban tribe admits in the documentary: A Flood in Baath Country directed by Omar Amiralay in 2003 that he sent his tribesmen to Aleppo in the 1970s to help President Hafez al-Assad fight against the Muslim Brotherhood" = "Shaykh Diab al-Mashi, a former leader of the Busha'ban tribe, admits that he'd sent his tribesmen to Damascus in the 1970s to assist in President Hafez al-Assad's fight against the Muslim Brotherhood" "As a reward, al-Mashi was granted a permanent seat in the Syrian Parliament. His tribe's villages were also provided with electricity, and many of the men were exempted from compulsory military service" = same as ref 16 "Το reward them for their loyalty, Sheikh Dayyab al-Mashi was granted a permanent seat in Syria's Parliament. Additionally, the villages of his tribe were provided with electricity and many of his tribesmen were exempted from military service (Dukhan, 2019)." I can't access 15 and it's redundant anyway. Also I think it's way too tangential to note in the article. Sort the list of filmmakers protesting the festival's decision in alphabetical order to prevent close paraphrasing. Change "A Flood in Baath Country was pulled from the lineup of the 2004 Carthage Film Festival in Tunisia" to "the 2004 Carthage Film Festival in Tunisia cancelled a screening of the film". "allegation that the film had been pulled to begin with" should be changed to "news that the screening was cancelled" to carry over paraphrase cleanup. "reported" should be added between "Following" and "political pressure" since the ref says it's apparent. Also, there's a conflict between the Jeune Afrique ref which says the news on the cancellation was a "real-fake "scandal" with a persistent rumor ... [that] turned out to be unfounded" and the Variety/Bidoun refs that together say that the screening was cancelled but put back on the program on the last day; need to sort this out per NPOV. "asked the network to include a dedication to a friend" = "asked the network to include in their broadcast a dedication to his friend", so change to "later requested that said network also air a dedication to his friend" (and also since it seems ambiguous if the dedication was directly part of the broadcast) "a Lebanese journalist and critic of the Syrian regime who was killed on June 2 by a bomb hidden in his car" = "a Lebanese journalist who'd been critical of the Ba'athist regime before being killed in 2005 by a bomb hidden in his car" -> "a Lebanese journalist who had been critical of the Ba'athist regime before his assassination in 2005" "Since Bashar al-Assad had permitted satellite television, this meant the movie would be shown in Syria after all" = "and since Bashar al-Assad had recently permitted satellite broadcasts in Syria, the film would be viewable there after all", so -> "allowing the film to be viewable in Syria since satellite television was legalized by Bashar al-Assad's government" "introduced by writer Farouk Mardam Bey and followed by a debate" is lifted straight from the source after being translated into English. Change it to "featuring a debate and an introduction from writer Farouk Mardam Bey" and move it a little earlier between "Baath Country" and "was held in" As for overquotes: The "I wanted ... of my life" can stay, but the "thing that ... eleven thousand years before Christ" should be rewritten. I don't think we need that Ba'athist textbook quote in full, just a sentence describing what it says.

Oh, and this was expanded from 233 B to 9718 B within a few days of being bolded. ミラP@Miraclepine 05:34, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Zanahary: Please address the above. @Miraclepine: This is a very long review. Can any of this information be moved to a different location (the article's talk page perhaps?) or summarised? Z1720 (talk) 15:50, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Z1720: I'm not sure. I understand it's long, but all this info is still relevant to the DYK, and moving it outside this page might cause all the discussion to be decentralized. Further, I think all the necessary details should be present, and of course there's a lot of them given there were noticeable copyright issues in the page. Would it be best to collapse all this?

Oh, and while I was writing this reply, I noticed a lot of work's being done on this article. I'll take a look at it as soon as I can. ミラP@Miraclepine 16:12, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, review done at last. @Zanahary:, this is long so I'm collapsing it (and also the other; I'm just using Template:Collapse instead of cot/cob given WP:DYKNOM's severe issues with WP:PEISX):

Extended content

Now let's see, the Infobox issue is fixed but ref for languages doesn't support that it's Arabic (unlike this one; doclisboa says it's 47 mins, but that ref and the cinemas-asie one say 46 mins); the issue with the film pirates, Jordan, and the nephew of the village chief was fixed; and the festival's anti-censorship guarantee but everything else for V and NPOV are still not fixed. Now re CLOP, noting that irrelevant/redundant content is a sign of close paraphrasing: 1 - still too close; "men of his tribe to fight in President Hafez al-Assad's campaign against the Muslim Brotherhood" -> "his tribesmen to assist in the Islamist uprising" 2 - nevermind, I think it's too tangential, should be removed 4 - done but unclear from the refs if how many screenings so "planned screenings of" -> "plans to screen" and "the screenings' cancellation" -> "the screening's cancellation" (as in process); change "guarantee against censorship" to "commitment to anti-censorship" to prevent CLOP 5 - changed to "requested", but still similar since "broadcast" is not changed to "air" and doesn't address my point in ambiguity 6 - car bomb should be removed to fix CLOP 3 and 7 are fixed and 8 is unchanged For new additions, everything else is fine but: Refs 22 and 23 doesn't support the "they think this lake has been here forever" quote unlike Jadaliyya ref, add that ref; also add "saying that" "different" and "they think this lake" and replace the ";" with ",". "describes the "oft-repeated signature shot" of the film as an excruciatingly slow passage through a doorway, which Berman finds claustrophobic in imitation of "circumscribed political vision" -> "says that the recurring use of shots of an entrance through the doorway is the film's "oft-repeated signature shot", describing it as "excruciatingly slow"." for NPOV; excruciatingly is an adjective used in the ref, thus should be quoted. "the Syrian regime asked the Tunisian government, through the Syrian embassy in Tunis, to prevent the screening of Amiralay’s film, “Flood in Baath Country,” at the Carthage Film Festival" = "the Baathist regime had directly asked the Tunisian government to prevent the screening", so "directly asked the" -> "attempted to convince the" "restraining order preventing him from leaving the country. At the end of last week, Haaretz learned that the order had been lifted." = Haaretz reported in November 2006 that the restraining order prohibiting Amiralay from leaving Syria had been lifted.", so "restraining order prohibiting Amiralay from leaving Syria had been lifted" -> "ban on foreign travel placed on Amiralay had been removed" aawsat.com implies 20 September "day before yesterday", and eng-archive.aawsat.com says 19 September but sage ref says 18 September citing Middle East Times; just use September 2006. don't need ref 40 next to "which aired in Syria" To avoid CLOP: "travel to work on" -> "travel abroad for work on" and swap Euphrates and Manbij alphabetically.

BTW wish I had brought this up last time, but consider the refbombing cleanup optional. @Zanahary: these issues need to be fixed, or this nomination won't get to the main page, and I highly recommend making as many issue fixes at once instead of through numerous so I can track these changes quicker and faster. ミラP@Miraclepine 20:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All edits done, except:

• I did not change "guarantee against censorship" to "commitment to anti-censorship", since the latter implies an ideological alignment to the combating of censorship while the former merely means that the festival promised not to censor anything. I don't think these three words form a copyright issue.
• I read no ambiguity in the source about the dedication's attachment to the broadcast. From the source: Amiralay said that one of the Arab satellite networks had bought "A Flood in Baath Country" ... Amiralay said he had asked the network to include a dedication to a friend, ... "include" here implies that the dedication would be part of the broadcast of the film.
• I'm confused by also add "saying that" "different" and "they think this lake". What are you asking for?
• I don't see how saying the Syrian government "directly asked" is a problem. Changing to "attempted to convince" is a departure from the original meaning and a superficial alteration to avoid two words matching with the source. I think these words are fine and not a copyright problem.
• I changed the restraining order Haaretz text to just say "order prohibiting Amiralay from leaving Syria had been removed"
• "Travel abroad to work on a film in Jordan" is redundant. This, again, is too small to be a copyvio.
• Can you specifically name the ref you want removed from "which aired in Syria"? And why?
• Removal of the car bomb detail—how is that CLOP?—would strip the implicit accusation of assassination of its context. If I said "his death", the reader would not know if he was blown up, disappeared, killed himself, etc., and I obviously cannot say "his assassination".
• 3 and 7 are fixed and 8 is unchanged—I don't know what these numbers refer to, as your notes are just bullets.
• For your previous notes: there is no source explaining the discrepancy between variants on Fifteen reasons. It was a working title. Before that, it was twelve reasons. I don't think this needs a footnote, but feel free to add one if you disagree. Ref 19 is literally redundant to 24. I think these ref numbers have changed, and I don't know what sources they refer to. I don't see a reason not to have both Le Matin and Le Nouvel Obs for the prize claim. Two sources for a claim is pretty standard and not in the territory of WP:CITEKILL. The Farouk Mardam Bey thing is another example of an apparent disagreement between you and I on close paraphrasing and WP:LIMITED—I don't see a reason to alter the natural wording into something superficially more distant from the source's obvious verbiage. I've trimmed the Baathist textbook, but I think what is there should stay; it's very interesting and exemplifies the school section of the film quite well. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 08:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Zanahary: I'm currently busy with schoolwork and can't do the whole thing at once right now (also including changes you've made since then), but I'll try to catch up between Tuesday and Friday (worst case scenario the latter date). For now:

1. Re 2: Okay, seems I overlooked this. Feel free to write it that way.
2. Re 3: Ooh, sorry. I meant you would add "saying that"
3. Re 9: These are what the bullets would be if the extended detail reviews used numbers.
4. I'd like to note that the principle of WP:LIMITED, which I've used in DYK before, is that it applies unless there is a different plausible way to say it; in these cases I found them here and there, hence my request to make the changes.

Hope this clears things up. ミラP@Miraclepine 17:37, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Zanahary: Just looked at Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_202#c-RoySmith-20241101020900-Crisco_1492_mobile-20241101015300, so I've done a few fixes outside the ones you've objected to. I'll finish the rest of the review once I come home or tomorrow. ミラP@Miraclepine 20:57, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Zanahary: Since I'm home, where were we?

• Re 1: I felt "committed" and "guarantee" have the same meaning in indicating promise, but then your reply gave me an idea: something in the lines of "kept its promise against censorship"?
• Re 4: How about "directly asked the Tunisian government to prevent" -> "directly requested that the Tunisian government prevent"? "directly asked" seems redundant, and I'm sure one will get the idea about whom they requested it to if "directly" is used before "requested".
• Re 5: I'll approve that.
• Re 6: Following on the principle on WP:LIMITED: just use "travel to Jordan to work on a film"
• Re 7: The Haaretz ref, marked with ref name ":13". The Asharq Al-Aswat ref, which the Haaretz ref is next to, already says the whole thing.
• Re 8: Okay, you make a point about relevance. we'll compromise. Per the principle of WP:LIMITED, how about "before his death by" -> "before being fatally injured by"
• Re 10 is somewhat long, so I'll reply:

• Yeah, assuming the secondary sources got the name mixed up, I'm going with Mohamad al-Roumi.
• That's because sources were added thus increasing the ref numbers; about the refs in question, both Variety articles from Ali Jaafar, I've read the Gale ref thru WP:LIBRARY and it's technically the same thing as the weblink Variety, so I've replaced it with the same. (For the record, I referenced Special:Permalink/1256099108 in the first review.)
• Keep the prize claim refs per your point in WP:CITEKILL.
• The ref still verifies everything the Farouk Mardam Bey proposal says.
• The textbook quote and "The restriction on Amiralay's travel" thing will stay your way

• For content added since then: "the script Amiralay had sent him was entitled" = "The script he sent me was titled", so I've changed to "the script he received from Amiralay was named"; I've also copyedited the other for sentence structure.
• Continuing from the first extended review: In the first paragraph of the Content section, I prefer "remorse" over mistake and distress; change "at a Syrian airport" to "at the Jordan–Syria border" per [10]; and my point on "aired in Syria" -> "was also seen by Syrian viewers" still stands.

Hope this help. ミラP@Miraclepine 05:24, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Mwene Muji was a polity in the Congo Basin which declined in the late 19th century, and when the Belgians collected traditions in 1926, grand claims of its once imperial status were dismissed?
• ALT1 ... that Mwene Muji was a polity in the Congo Basin, and when the Belgians collected traditions in 1926, grand claims of its once imperial status were dismissed?
• ALT2 ... that the grand claims from the ruler of Mwene Muji of them once having imperial status were dismissed by Belgian colonial authorities?

• Reviewed:

Kowal2701 (talk) 19:48, 20 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Hello and welcome to DYK. Right now the hook does not meet the guidelines for a DYK hook as it's too long (we have a limit of 200 characters for most hooks, and ideally it should be less). In addition, it needs to largely focus on a hooky fact, whereas the current hook is essentially summarizing the article. Please prose a new hook so that the nomination can continue. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kowal2701: I've also checked the article and right now it's less than 1500 characters long. DYK requires a minimum of 1500 characters of prose to be accepted. If you can expand the article further so that it meets the guidelines then less us know, but if that is not feasible then unfortunately the nomination will have to be rejected. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:20, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Narutolovehinata5 the hook is 197 words long, and it gives context the fact which is that their grand claims were dismissed. I wouldn't say it summarises the article, just the last few sentences. I can expand it further, I think at the moment it's at 1200 words. Are you sure the hook isn't okay?

Yes, the hook is far too long for DYK, even if it is slightly under the character limit. Perhaps another editor like Launchballer can give some advice on what makes a good hook, especially one that isn't too long. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Narutolovehinata5 but surely if it's under the character limit then the length is okay?

I’ve added alts, I think I know what you were getting at, that the initial hook had too much information in it and wouldn’t entice the reader to click on the article. I think ALT2 is okay? Kowal2701 (talk) 13:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, ALT2 would work. Since the original issues about length and hooks are now addressed this is ready for a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:42, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that in his first year in the NFL, Lou Rash was told he was released and began flying back home, but was told upon landing that the release was a mistake and he was to return?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Alan Rosen (restaurant owner)
• Comment: QPQ to be done within 24 hours. Open to other ways of wording the hook.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:49, 29 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Article was nominated seven days after it was promoted to GA so it meets that requirement. No close paraphrasing was found, a QPQ has been done, and the hook is interesting and cited inline. My main concern is that I'm not sure if the article meets WP:DYKCOMPLETE: is there no known information about him after his gridiron football career ended? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:49, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Narutolovehinata5: WP:DYKCOMPLETE says nothing about having to provide details about every part of a person's life. Parts of a football player's life, such as when they are in elementary school or after their career often aren't notable, and thus not reported on. This does not run afoul of WP:DYKCOMPLETE, which provides the following example: For example, an article about a book that fails to summarize the book's contents, but contains only a biography of the author and some critics' views, is likely to be rejected as insufficiently comprehensive. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 20:17, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It probably at least violates the spirit of that rule, or at least the "articles that fail to deal adequately with the topic" aspect. I've seen articles in the past that were held for similar reasons. Or at least, that's how I've seen DYKCOMPLETE be implemented in practice. If no information can be found, that's okay, but usually that has to be confirmed first. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:23, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• • Well, he got married and had two children ([12]). Should I add that? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:21, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That should work at least. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:23, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added. BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't the article mention his children by name? They're both in the source provided. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:00, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If I was reviewing this and saw either name in the article, I would yeet them on sight per WP:BLPNAME.--Launchballer 01:22, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

yeet made me lol Launchballer « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:17, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that in 1809 the two senior British Cabinet ministers Viscount Castlereagh and George Canning fought a pistol duel?
  • ALT1: ... that the Castlereagh–Canning duel was a pistol duel between the British Minister of War Viscount Castlereagh and British Foreign Secretary George Canning, which took place in September 1809?
  • Reviewed:

Michael G. Lind (talk) 22:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Nominated 6 days after the GA approval on October 22, no QPQ required, long enough, well-sourced (although I'm noticing a couple of unsourced statements; recent additions?), neutral, no copyvio, images are properly licensed, hook is cited in the article.

One thing is the hook is a little dry. Maybe this ALT2: ... that two of Pitt the Younger's protégés dueled each other in 1809?

My wording is a little awkward but main idea is there. Duels were commonplace, so one simply happening is not all that interesting. The circumstances around the duel are more interesting. seefooddiet (talk) 02:45, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your response. I see your point, we could do this. Or ALT3: ... in 1809, at the height of the war against Napoleon the two British Ministers most responsible for the conduct of war fought a duel with each other?

This is the opening line of source Campbell, page 57, maybe it's also interesting. Michael G. Lind (talk) 22:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Al LeBoeuf was diagnosed with a rare condition in 2012 from an injury he suffered in 1985?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Rincón Chileno
• Comment: Decided to pipe the name of the condition because nobody has ever heard of it (unless you have it or research it). Is there a better word to use than "suffered"?

– Muboshgu (talk) 16:59, 28 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Hi Muboshgu, review follows: article created 22 October and exceeds minimum length; it is well written and cited to reliable sources; I didn't pick up any problems with overly close paraphrasing from the sources; hook fact is interesting, mentioned in the article (I added "rare" to support the hook, it appears in the source), and checks out to the source cited; a QPQ has been carried out. Thee minor comments:

• The lead says he was "a coach and manager in the minors from 1989 to 2024" but the article says he joined the Milwaukee Brewers in 2010 and their article says they are a major league team? I don't know anything about baseball so I might be missing something.
• His birth place and date are stated only in the lead and/or infobox and not cited
• The article says "LeBouef was diagnosed with multiple myeloma" but the source cited only says "a cancerous spot"

Once these are addressed should be good to go - Dumelow (talk) 22:30, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Muboshgu: Please address the above.--Launchballer 01:23, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the ping. I did not see the review. 1) He worked for the Brewers organization in their farm system, not in the major leagues. I clarified that he was a minor league coach when hired. 2) The external link supports the birth date and place. I added Putnam native to the personal life section. 3) Yes the reference supporting "multiple myeloma" did not say "multiple myeloma". I moved the Journal Sentiel source up to cover it. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that an Indian social media influencer's viral video on the sugar content of a children's "health drink" compelled its parent company to slash sugar by almost 15%?

• Reviewed:
• Comment: I think this is quite an interesting feat on the part of the influencer that a viral video was able to get Cadbury to reduce added sugar in Bournvita (marketed as children's health drink in India) by almost 15%, even as they sent legal notices and filed lawsuits against him. Also, I am new to DYK, and not sure if the hook could be made better than this. Thanks!

—CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 20:22, 26 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Not a review. Just noting that you could use this new infobox image for an image hook. Bremps... 07:15, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Kenny Moore once went skiing with Bruce Babbitt and Bern Shanks?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Abortion in Equatorial Guinea

Chetsford (talk) 22:53, 22 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that in his first electoral victory, Aaron Kennedy defeated the premier of New Brunswick?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Helliwells Ltd

B3251_(talk) 21:26, 22 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• @B3251: Per a recent rule change, QPQs must now be provided at the time of the nomination; a nomination without a QPQ provided is liable to be closed without warning. Please provide a QPQ as soon as possible, otherwise the nomination may be closed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:33, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: Done. B3251_(talk) 03:12, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that due to the effects of Hurricane Helene, the National Gingerbread House Competition (pictured) has been canceled for the first time in history?

• Reviewed:

Hkeely (talk) 15:55, 22 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Hi Hkeely, welcome to DYK. Interesting article but it is currently below the 1,500 character minimum requirement (see WP:DYKLEN), can it be extended with more content? - Dumelow (talk) 20:20, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Hi Dumelow, thank you. I have expanded the article with additional content so that it now surpasses the 1,500 character minimum requirement - Hkeely (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Hkeely. The length is now fine, article was created on time (22 October), sources used look to be reliable for the content and I found no issues with overly close paraphrasing, image is good (I trimmed the caption quite a bit). A couple of questions on sourcing:

• I couldn't see in the Fox Carolina source where it said this was the only time the event had been cancelled?
• Can you add a citation in the article for the last sentence of the first paragraph about the TV channels it has been broadcast on?

Apart from that I think this is good to go - Dumelow (talk) 07:32, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Dumelow. Thank you for checking this and trimming the caption. I've added a citation for the TV channel coverage. The cancelation information is because the contest started in 1992 and this would have been the 32nd annual event. Since there were 31 events prior, that adds up mathematically. I did include new information about the public display portion being canceled during the Covid pandemic in 2020, though judging did continue that year. - Hkeely (talk) 17:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hkeely, if the first event was held in 1992 and it was held every year then 2024 would have been the 33rd event. There are 32 years between the first and last event but 33 events (see fencepost error) - Dumelow (talk) 08:28, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hkeely: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 15:54, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Z1720: The competition hosts themselves say that the event started in 1992 and that 2024 would have been the 32nd annual competition. https://www.omnihotels.com/hotels/asheville-grove-park/things-to-do/national-gingerbread-competition I presume this is the case because the first year wasn't actually judged. Hkeely (talk) 19:37, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that 24-year-old Henry Parnell, 5th Baron Congleton was the youngest British parliamentarian killed in the First World War?

• ALT1: ... that Henry Parnell was the youngest member of the UK parliament killed in the First World War? Source: https://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/building/cultural-collections/memorials/in-the-collection/world-war-i/wwi-angel-memorial/
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Growing Form
• Comment: could potentially run on Remembrance Day (11 November)

Moondragon21 (talk) 12:15, 22 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that in 1984, Bob Hobman and a group began a journey to sail a wooden outrigger boat from the Philippines to Madagascar to recreate a possible voyage by Neolithic humans?

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/KEXC

Thriley (talk) 18:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:
• Other problems: - "and a group" is a little awkward to me. I suggest ALT1: ...that in 1984, Bob Hobman began a journey to sail a wooden outrigger boat from the Philippines to Madagascar to recreate a possible voyage by Neolithic humans?

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article is well sourced. I think the intro could be expanded at least to show why he is notable beyond being a sailor (Bob Hobman is a British Australian sailor who... etc). I suggested an alternative hook because I think the phrase "and a group" is awkward. Please let me know your thoughts! PersusjCP (talk) 17:57, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that a brass band from the New Jersey community of Jugtown was rumored to have drank and fought the police instead of playing at Ulysses S. Grant's funeral?

• ALT1: ... that an underground tunnel between two houses in what is now Jugtown Historic District was used to hide fugitive slaves? Source: Zink, Clifford (2024). Jugtown/Queenston: Jugtown Historic District. Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton Landmark Publications, pp. 6-7
• ALT2: ... that a pottery's presence in a New Jersey village gave it the name Jugtown? Source: Zink, Clifford (2024). Jugtown/Queenston: Jugtown Historic District. Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton Landmark Publications, p. 4
• Reviewed: Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_Bear_season_2

Not sure where or how to add the QPQ? I've reviewed another article but not sure if I did it correctly. Lbal (talk) 22:40, 24 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that while supporting a law easing restrictions on abortion in Gabon, Prime Minister Rose Christiane Raponda said "it is not yet the right time" for further legalization?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Talk Talk (Charli XCX song)

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 22:45, 23 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Tiny Glade was the fourth most played demo on 2024's Steam Next Fest?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Music Sounds Better with You
• Comment: I was the one who moved this to mainspace today. However, Ddellas created this and TheGIPGIP expanded this a little before I did most of the work.

JuniperChill (talk) 20:46, 23 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian was the first Iranian president to visit Iraqi Kurdistan?

• ALT1: ... that Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian was the first Iranian president to attend the 16th BRICS summit following its admission? Source: https://en.irna.ir/news/85637049/BRICS-summit-opens-in-Russia-s-Kazan-with-Iran-s-president-in
• Reviewed:
• Comment: First article. I think i've done it right. Just not sure which is the most catch title.
  there is an image of him on his main page, maybe someone can add it it this?

Sportsnut24 (talk) 13:45, 23 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Comment from NPP reviewer: Sportsnut24, you should properly format your references using Template:Cite web, instead of simply putting a URL between ref tags. I have left a maintenance template on the article and done one for you – simply follow this format for the others. Best, Toadspike [Talk] 11:25, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would also note that per the (now deprecated) supplementary guideline D3, that bare URLs should generally not be used for articles, especially when it gets nominated for DYK/GA/FA. JuniperChill (talk) 15:56, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's actually listed at the latest guidelines at WP:DYKCITE JuniperChill (talk) 15:58, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Sportsnut24: Did you resolve the above concern, and is this ready for a review? Z1720 (talk) 15:59, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JuniperChill: WP:PRESSTV policy is itself based on a deprecated source. Ergo, there is no policy.Sportsnut24 (talk) 12:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused with what your saying, or you got confused with what you said. While this isn't a full review, deprecated sources are almost never used in articles (Daily Mail is a notable example, and so is Press TV), and are likely not permitted for DYK and you even pointed it out to yourself. I suggest removing them. Another user will give a proper review. JuniperChill (talk) 18:56, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Jing Tsu's schoolteachers called her "female tiger" because their punishment had no effect on her?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Shirt (song)
• Comment: Open to rewording

Kimikel (talk) 04:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• * ... ALT1 ... that Jing Tsu's remembers being called "female tiger" because her schoolteachers' punishments had little effect on her? Source I'm suggesting a possible rewording of the original hook; we can verify that she has stated this, but not whether it was originally said. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 17:02, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Since I have suggested the rephrasing of the hook, someone else should probably reconfirm this review. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 17:02, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Ekin Cheng delivered his lines in his native Cantonese in the Mandarin-language film A Nail Clipper Romance?

• ALT1: ... that A Nail Clipper Romance is an extension of a 2010 short film of the same name which starred Zhou Xun? Source: ^[2]
• ALT2: ... that Zhou Dongyu learned to surf while filming A Nail Clipper Romance in Hawaii? Source: ^[3]
• ALT3: ... that Tiffany Ann Hsu made a cameo appearance in A Nail Clipper Romance at the invitation of lead actress Zhou Dongyu? Source: ^[4]
• ALT4: ... that A Nail Clipper Romance marks the directorial debut of cinematographer Jason Kwan? Source: ^[5]
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/You Are Here (song)

Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 06:17, 24 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that during World War II, Soviet atrocities against prisoners of war included the murder of tens of thousands of Polish and hundreds of thousands of Axis (mostly German) soldiers? Source: https://www.google.co.kr/books/edition/From_Incarceration_to_Repatriation/8t3zEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Overmans+German+POWs+death+toll+million&pg=PA2&printsec=frontcover and https://books.google.com/books?id=PZXvUuvfv-oC&dq=Soviet+invasion+of+Poland+1939&pg=PA20 , among others
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Neknampur Lake

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:15, 24 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• General eligibility:
• New enough:
• Long enough:
• Other problems:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
• Other problems:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:
• Other problems:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Looks great! Very good work, thank you. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 17:38, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm concerned about fundamental issues with POV and NOR with this article, please see my comment on talk. In terms of the hook, although "murder" is probably an appropriate word when dealing with the (unsanctioned) executions of enemy combatants by Soviet forces, it's not clear whether it's appropriate to describe the high mortality rate caused largely by the dire humanitarian situation in the Soviet Union (which also caused the deaths of many Soviet civilians in this same era). Hooks are expected to be neutral, but this one is one-sided. Multiple sources are cited and it's unclear where the comparison cited in the hook is made, or whether it's a calculation by Wikipedia editors. Overall I would not pass this DYK. (t · c) buidhe 06:34, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I replied on talk there; I don't believe any issues you raise here are relevant for the DYK. The article is not tagged for NPOV issues, nor I can see why it should be, given your rather vague concerns. The basic term murder is indeed uncontroversial and commonly used in sources cited and listed here, which serve to confirm the basic facts mentioned in the hook; and the estimates cited are also uncontroversial; I opted to use broader ranges rather then precise figures for readability. For sources that mention Katyn and German POWs together, there are numerous, including, again, many of the ones cited in the article. Others: [14], [15], etc. TL;DR the topic is obviously notable (take it to AfD if you disagree) and the hook simply summarizes some uncontroversial but prominent and attention-grabbing details. PS. I feel the hook is perfectly neutral; what would make it less "one sided"? The mention that USSR did not kill all of the POWs it held? Are you seriously trying to argue that the murder of Polish officers at Katyn was motivated by "the dire humanitarian situation in the Soviet Union"? (And yes, as the article states, the deaths of some of the German POWs were attributed to that situation - but this detail is too niche and uninteresting for the hook). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If the sources call it murder, then murder it is. I don’t see a valid controversy here. — Biruitorul ^Talk 09:12, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think anyone would disagree that some of these deaths (such as the Katyn massacre) can indeed be called "murder". However, I see no evidence or quotes that indicate, as the hook implies, that hundreds of thousands of deaths (particularly those caused more by supply shortages in the Soviet Union than a deliberate, malicious Soviet government policy) can be deemed to be "murder" in wiki voice. Insofar as murders were committed against Axis prisoners of war, the hook misleadingly suggests that the Soviet government ordered them, rather than front line troops deciding to shoot prisoners on their own initiative. In order for this hook to meet DYK's POV rules, we would have to establish that it's a consensus, or at least majority, view. I know there are similar controversies when it comes to the Soviet prisoners of war held by Germany, with some scholars disagreeing that "mass killing" is an appropriate designation, and "mass death" is more accurate. Apparently Piotrus does not like me commenting here, but I wish to maintain the integrity of what we post at DYK by pointing out POV and VER issues that I see on any DYK I come across, regardless of who started it. The google books links above don't help me, please quote exactly where in these sources it says that "hundreds of thousands" of Axis POWs were murdered by the Soviet government. (t · c) buidhe 07:02, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The issue can be fixed easily by removing the mention of Axis soldiers and just mentioning the Polish deaths, which you yourself agree can be described as "murder(ed)" (and which very much were ordered by the Soviet rulers, although the hook is never implied who was responsible in the Soviet hierarchy). See ALT1 below and a slightly longer ALT1a2 mentioning other nationalities, without a number and the term "murder" you dispute; pinging original reviewer so they can comment on it. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:43, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT1 ... that during World War II, Soviet atrocities against prisoners of war included the murder of tens of thousands of Polish soldiers?
• ALT1a ... that during World War II, Soviet atrocities against prisoners of war included the murder of tens of thousands of Polish soldiers in the Katyn massacre?

• ALT2 ... that during World War II, Soviet atrocities against prisoners of war included the murder of tens of thousands of Polish soldiers, as well as deaths of many more POWs of other nationalities?

PS. Forgot to @Zanahary:. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:44, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think ALT1a is best. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 08:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Voltairine de Cleyre (pictured) taught herself how to read at the age of four?

• ALT1: ... that Voltairine de Cleyre (pictured) became an anti-authoritarian and anti-theist after her education at a Catholic convent? Source: Avrich, Paul (1978). An American Anarchist: The Life of Voltairine de Cleyre. Princeton: Princeton University Press. pp. 36–37. ISBN 978-0-691-04657-0.
• ALT2: ... that Voltairine de Cleyre (pictured) loved Scotland so much that she said if she could have made a living there, she never would have returned to the United States? Source: Avrich, Paul (1978). An American Anarchist: The Life of Voltairine de Cleyre. Princeton: Princeton University Press. pp. 117–118. ISBN 978-0-691-04657-0.
• ALT3: ... that although Voltairine de Cleyre (pictured) opposed American imperialism, she did not oppose the Spanish–American War, as she believed that the Spanish Empire needed to be broken up? Source: Avrich, Paul (1978). An American Anarchist: The Life of Voltairine de Cleyre. Princeton: Princeton University Press. pp. 122–123. ISBN 978-0-691-04657-0.
• ALT4: ... that after Senator Joseph R. Hawley offered $1,000 to shoot an anarchist, Voltairine de Cleyre (pictured) publicly accepted the challenge? Source: Avrich, Paul (1978). An American Anarchist: The Life of Voltairine de Cleyre. Princeton: Princeton University Press. p. 136. ISBN 978-0-691-04657-0.
• ALT5: ... that after Voltairine de Cleyre (pictured) was shot, the Hahnemann University Hospital did not remove any of the bullets due to its practice of homeopathy? Source: Avrich, Paul (1978). An American Anarchist: The Life of Voltairine de Cleyre. Princeton: Princeton University Press. p. 171. ISBN 978-0-691-04657-0.
• ALT6: ... that Voltairine de Cleyre (pictured) refused to press charges against Herman Helcher, who had attempted to murder her? Source: Avrich, Paul (1978). An American Anarchist: The Life of Voltairine de Cleyre. Princeton: Princeton University Press. p. 174. ISBN 978-0-691-04657-0.
• ALT7: ... that the Norwegian press speculated that Voltairine de Cleyre (pictured) intended to assassinate German Kaiser Wilhelm II, as their trips to Norway coincided? Source: Avrich, Paul (1978). An American Anarchist: The Life of Voltairine de Cleyre. Princeton: Princeton University Press. p. 181. ISBN 978-0-691-04657-0.
• ALT8: ... that despite losing her ability to move or speak due to illness, Voltairine de Cleyre (pictured) refused to accept last rites by scowling at the priest? Source: Avrich, Paul (1978). An American Anarchist: The Life of Voltairine de Cleyre. Princeton: Princeton University Press. pp. 235–236. ISBN 978-0-691-04657-0.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Victoria Espinosa
• Comment: Apologies for the number of hooks. I just found so many things about de Cleyre's biography interesting that I wanted to provide a good range of options.

Grnrchst (talk) 11:42, 25 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that "The Christmas Invasion" was the first story for Doctor Who clearly labelled as a Christmas special?

• ALT1: ... that "The Christmas Invasion" was the first time Doctor Who had featured on the Radio Times Christmas edition cover in the show's forty-two-year history? Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20060626200001/http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2005/11/28/27746.shtml
• ALT2: ... that "The Christmas Invasion" was the first full episode starring David Tennant as the Tenth Doctor? Source: Primary source (the episode itself)
• Reviewed:

DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 06:46, 26 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Bob Hainlen, one of the youngest players for the Wilmington Clippers professional football team, was also the team's assistant coach?

• ALT1: ... that football player Bob Hainlen, although only 17 years old and the youngest starting quarterback in his college's history, was described as already being a "master" of the position? Source: quote from this article ("he handles passing assignments, and play-calling like a master") + this for being youngest in school history
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Xinwen Bao
• Comment: QPQ to be done within 24 hours.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:51, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Key West was one of the wealthiest cities in the United States per capita in the in the mid-19th century?

• Reviewed:
• Comment: Key West's wrecking, cigar, and salt manufacturing industries allowed it to become one of the wealthiest cities in the United States per capita.

Bronson Fotiadis1 (talk) 00:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - Some of the sources used are not reliable (such as Conch Tour Train, WorldPopulationReview, nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com [a non-official site], etc.).
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - Some close paraphrasing picked up by Earwig is a cause for concern, such as the Federal Wrecking Act paragraph.

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - WorldPopulationReview is not a reliable source.
• Interesting:
• Other problems: - The link is far, far too long.

Image eligibility:

• Freely licensed:
• Used in article: - Not used in article.
• Clear at 100px: - Not particularly relevant to the proposed hook.

QPQ: None required.

Overall: The article needs some polishing and some new hooks would be appreciated. SounderBruce 01:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm slightly surprised that the Conch Republic doesn't get even a brief mention in the article since that would work great as a hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:47, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Bronson Fotiadis1: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 16:01, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: nom hasn't edited in over a week, and hasn't edited this article since the review. If the nom doesn't return to editing in four days time, it may be time to mark it for closure. JuniperChill (talk) 15:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that violinist Gilopez Kabayao was the first Filipino to perform at New York's Carnegie Hall in 1950?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Anatolii Brezvin
• Comment: Many sources state that Kabayao's Carnegie Hall performance in 1950 was done when he was 19 years old, but this is impossible if he was born in 1929 so I omitted this from the article and therefore the hook. This error might affect the hook under WP:EXCEPTIONAL and especially since a different source (Manila Bulletin) says, "Kabayao is widely believed to be the first Filipino to play at the prestigious Carnegie Hall in New York City".

seav (talk) 23:53, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that when Charles de Gaulle visited Rio de Janeiro, the city's governor refused to greet his ship due to the recent Lobster War?

• Reviewed: [[]]
• Comment: Found this article while new page patrolling.

Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 00:05, 31 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Can you provide a quotation from the source linking the refusal to the lobster war, so it can be translated and verified? The article makes frequent opinion statements and makes liberal use of opinion adjectives. I think greater attribution in the article of who is stating such opinions is necessary. Also, inline citations are missing from the ends of the following paragraphs:

Ergo Sum 03:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

here is a quotation : "Le Gouverneur de Rio de Janeiro, Carlos LACERDA décide de boycotter l'arrivée du général dons sa ville et c'est le président de la République brésilienne qui doit aller accueillir son hôte à l'arrivée du «Colbert»" rough translation : " Rio's Governor, Carlos Lacerda decided to boycott the General's arrival in the city, so instead the President of the Republic had to meet his host when the Colbert arrived" Kimdime (talk) 08:58, 4 November 2024 (UTC) The link to the Lobster war is made on the previous paragraph (p.12 of the same source)Kimdime (talk) 09:32, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding inline (= online I guess ?) citations, well, that's the point, some stuff isn't available online and still has to be found in paper sources, in libraries, I tend to think that this is one of the added values of the work that has been done for this article. If I had relied only on online sources, I would not had been able to write the original article.Kimdime (talk) 09:49, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, I meant inline as in WP:INLINE. Every paragraph must end in a citation. Ergo Sum 16:03, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Ergo Sum, I didn't know about this en:wp jargon. Yet I'm not sure to understand what you mean. Let's take one example : "De Gaulle arrived in Mexico on...". Could you specify what' missing there ? Kimdime (talk) 11:54, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That paragraph does not have an inline citation at the end of it. As with the others. I suspect you could reuse the inline citation at the end of the following block quotation paragraph, but I have not examined the sources. Ergo Sum 16:55, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ergo Sum I don't get it, it does have a reference at the end of the paragraph which is : Gruat (2010, pp. 119–132).Kimdime (talk) 11:40, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There should be one following "has gone down in history" in addition to following "en la mano." Ergo Sum 12:32, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sintropepe, Kimdime, and Dan Leonard: I have added "citation needed" to text that need a citation. These will need to be addressed before this can be promoted. Z1720 (talk) 16:07, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the physical version of Chromakopia contains an extra song?

... that Tyler's album-related truck could be seen in Tyler?

MontanaMako (talk) 21:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Would suggest that new hooks be proposed. The current hook is unlikely to be perceived as interesting by non-specialist readers, as it lacks context regarding the subject and in particular why a reader should be interested in it. Plus, digital and physical versions being different is not unheard of anyway, so it's not even that unusual. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:49, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5; just added a new one. Is it any better? MontanaMako (talk) 16:38, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 16:08, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will leave the decision to another reviewer, but it's better than the original. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 18:05, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that gamblers have an inflated confidence when they choose a lottery ticket or throw the roulette ball compared to when another agent does so?

• ALT1: ... that due to the near-miss effect, gamblers may mistake a game of luck for a game of skill? Source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2658737/
  (The presence of personal control may be a core factor in causing the gambler to mistake a game of chance for a game with some skill component, which is effectively controllable.)
• Reviewed: [[]]

Who am I? / Talk to me! / What have I done? 13:05, 30 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Zeng Laishun (pictured) was the first Chinese person to attend college in the United States?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Checheyigen

Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 21:33, 28 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• I didn't know he was the first - this is definitely cool and DYK worthy! Blervis (talk) 04:44, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Blervis: If this is a review, make sure to follow the steps at Wikipedia:Did you know/Reviewer instructions; check the source (if possible), and make sure the article fits the DYK criteria. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 04:56, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment to the reviewer: given that this is a "first" hook, and a pretty exceptional one at that, please be sure to check if the sources adequately support the claim, and see if counterexamples can be found. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:14, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: Since Blervis looks like a pretty new reviewer, and this is a hook with higher sourcing standards than usual, should I put this up for second opinion? I think that might be a good idea. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 04:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We can have a second opinion from an experienced editor, who at the same time could try teaching Blervis the ropes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a good idea. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 05:17, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the author of the comic book Timeless Voyage was the leader of a UFO religion? Source: Abgrall, Jean-Marie (1999). "Sectes Ufologiques". Les sectes de l'apocalypse: gourous de l'an 2000 (in French). Paris: Calmann-Lévy. p. 95. ISBN 978-2-7021-2954-8. Troisième et dernier mouvement exclusivement ufologique répertorié dans le rapport parlementaire sur les sectes : le groupe Siderella, connu sous les appellations successives de Isozen, Futura, Galacteus, Euro-Culture, Italia, Résonances nouvelles, Azur Mieux-Ëtre, les Voyageurs intemporels et, enfin, Siderella. Fondé et dirigé par Jean-Paul Appel — de son nom de gourou Appel Guery [...]. Appel Guery est aussi l'auteur du scénario de la bande dessinée par Sergio Macedo, Voyage intemporel [...]
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Luce (mascot)

PARAKANYAA (talk) 05:56, 29 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that within a year of playing in the NFL for the Buffalo All-Americans, Karl Thielscher was an NFL official for All-Americans games?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Anthony F. Ciampi
• Comment: QPQ to be done within 24 hours.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:55, 6 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Tommy Suggs recommended using Also sprach Zarathustra from 2001: A Space Odyssey as the South Carolina Gamecocks football team's entrance music because he saw Elvis Presley do it first?

• ALT1: ... that as the starting quarterback of the 1969 South Carolina Gamecocks football team, Tommy Suggs led the program to its first and only conference championship? Source: The Post and Courier
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Miracle in Motown

JJonahJackalope (talk) 02:27, 31 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the future USS Wolverine was used as a hotel during the 7th National Eucharistic Congress in Cleveland?

• ALT1: ... that the Seeandbee, later renovated into the aircraft carrier USS Wolverine, was used as a hotel during the 7th National Eucharistic Congress in Cleveland? Source: "Akron School Children Plan To Attend Eucharistic Mass". The Akron Beacon Journal. Sep 24, 1935. p. 24. Retrieved 30 October 2024. "Pilgrims Shaken". The Cincinnati Post. Sep 24, 1935. p. 1. Retrieved 30 October 2024.
• ALT2: ... that a ship used as an aircraft carrier during World War II was used as a hotel during the 7th National Eucharistic Congress in 1935? Source: "Akron School Children Plan To Attend Eucharistic Mass". The Akron Beacon Journal. Sep 24, 1935. p. 24. Retrieved 30 October 2024. "Pilgrims Shaken". The Cincinnati Post. Sep 24, 1935. p. 1. Retrieved 30 October 2024.
• Reviewed:
• Comment: I can email a PDF of the source to anyone reviewing; just shoot me an email. Open to rephrasing hooks if you have any suggestions!

~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 21:55, 30 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that basketball player Charel Allen scored more points in high school than NCAA all-time leading scorer Caitlin Clark?

• ALT1: ... in high school, basketball player Charel Allen scored more points than NCAA all-time leading scorer Caitlin Clark?

• ALT2: ... that basketball player Charel Allen was a five-time Bulgarian Cup champion despite only knowing a few words of Bulgarian?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/John Hawks (architect)

~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 14:17, 30 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Interstate 59 only has three exits in the U.S. state of Georgia?

• Reviewed:
• Comment: Even though the source shows a blank site, simply click the drop-down menu below and select "Interstate 59" from there. It should display the exits the Interstate has.

NoobThreePointOh (talk) 13:49, 30 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Kind of dull as is, especially since the much shorter Louisiana segment also only has three exits. How about ...
  • ALT1: ... that there are only three exits along the 20 miles (32 km) of Interstate 59 in Georgia? Daniel Case (talk) 21:49, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • You mean 33 km? Because there's only 20 miles (32 km) of I-59 in Georgia. I assume you might have made a typo there. I can definitely accept that, though. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 21:52, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      •  Fixed You are correct ... I confused the km and miles. Daniel Case (talk) 04:42, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• To be honest, I don't think this angle is working out. The hook seems rather specialist, requiring knowledge and familiarity with how highway systems work, which most readers won't have. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:47, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah, I'm actually not sure what to say, since that's the only interesting hook I could come up with. I-59 in Georgia is pretty rural and I had to try and scrape together as much information as I could from older newspapers dating back to the 1960s and 70s. It depends. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 16:57, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If that's the case then it might be for the best to let this one go. Unfortunately not all articles are meant for DYK and this could be one of those. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:01, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if this is a good idea, but in my opinion, I think this review should get the feedback of another reviewer. At least that's based on my thoughts. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 00:31, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Something you could mention is that only one of the three interchanges is with a state-maintained road. It is somewhat unusual in this part of the country for a majority of an Interstate's exits to be with local roads. Bneu2013 (talk) 05:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also skeptical of that angle. It might not be as understood by readers outside of the United States, or indeed even many within the US, given it would require familiarity with how highways work. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:39, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @NoobThreePointOh: Do you have other hooks to propose? Z1720 (talk) 16:09, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Z1720: Hmmm... I'm still not sure yet. I think this can be withdrawn, since not a lot of coverage is available for I-59 in Georgia. It seems to be in the shadow of other Interstate Highways like I-20 and I-75, which are both much longer and more DYK worthy. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 16:16, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that due to difficulty in pronouncing his name, one Canadian football announcer refused to mention Tony Pajaczkowski in game broadcasts for several years?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Gonzalo Brenes
• Comment: QPQ to be done within 24 hours.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that in 2022, all five book nominations for the Akutagawa Prize were written by women, including former Japanese adult actress Suzumi Suzuki, who wrote Gifted after her own experiences?

• • ALT1: ... that former adult film actress Suzumi Suzuki pivoted to writing literature in 2022 with her novel, Gifted, which became one of five books nominated for the Akutagawa Prize that year? Source: Same as first source
  • Reviewed:

Phibeatrice (talk) 00:51, 4 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• If anything, the fact that the writer of the novel is a former adult film actress is the interesting part here, not the award (which not all readers may recognize, even if it's prestigious). Suggesting a far simpler hook:

ALT3 ... that the 2022 novel Gifted was written by a former adult film actress?

Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:51, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Interesting to whom? I much prefer the longer hooks which give more information. "former actress writes book" is not very interesting. "former actress writes book nominated for major prize" has more to offer. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 19:50, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT4 ... that former Japanese adult actress Suzumi Suzuki's book Gifted was nominated for the Akutagawa Prize in 2022? Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 20:08, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mary Mark Ockerbloom: WP:DYKTRIM is the relevant guideline. Oftentimes, but not always, the shortest and simplest hooks are the best. There are times when hooks do need additional context, but generally speaking, we tend to target the widest audience possible with hooks that require the least amount of specialist information. The issue I have with the prize angle is that readers may not know that it is a prestigious award or even be familiar with it, making the angle less accessible. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Presumably then, they will have an added incentive to click through and find out. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 15:37, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Singapore's first R-rated play was performed despite the police finding it "offensive"?

• Reviewed:
• Comment: The article mentions the Public Entertainment Licensing Unit, which is part of the Singapore Police Force. Source: https://www.police.gov.sg/e-Services/Police-Licences/Public-Entertainment-Licence

Imbluey2. Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 06:29, 2 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that match-three video games such as Candy Crush Saga are often considered Bejeweled clones?

• ALT1: ... that Bejeweled was originally named Diamond Mine prior to its release on MSN Gaming Zone? Source: [19]
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lily Golden

Lazman321 (talk) 22:03, 1 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the first backflip in figure skating done at the Olympics was in 1998 by French skater Surya Bonaly, even though it was an illegal move? Source: Walker, Rhiannon (18 February 2022). "Forgotten Fridays: In Her Last Olympic Competition, Surya Bonaly Pulled Something Special out of Her Back Pocket". The New York Times.
  • ALT1: ... that the backflip ban in figure skating was lifted in 2024, when it and other "somersault type jumps” were removed from the International Skating Union's list of restricted moves and elements? Source: Skretta, Dave (15 October 2024)."That's Flippin' Amazing! Figure Skating Grand Prix Season Begins with Backflips No Longer Banned". ABC News.
  • Reviewed: Pablo Barragán

Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:47, 1 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the death rate from adrenal crises can amount to 6%? Source: Hahner et al. 2015
  • Reviewed:

IntentionallyDense (talk) 03:39, 1 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the fortune left by Zhu Baosan (pictured) was reported to have been greatly diminished by his philanthropic activities?

• ALT1: ... that the business interests of Zhu Baosan (pictured) ranged from banking and insurance to shipping and coal mining? Source: "The Mourning Ceremonies for Mr. Chu Pao-san". The North-China Herald. 6 November 1926. p. 257. "He promoted the Commercial’ Bank of China, the Ningpo Commercial Bank, the Chekiang Industrial Bank and the Chung Hua Commercial. and Savings Bank. He was an organizer of the Wah An Fire and Marine Insurance Company, the Wah Sing Insurance Company, and the China United Assurance Society. He was a director of the Liu Kiang and Chang Hsin Mining Companies. He was interested in the Nantao Tramway Company, the Tinghai Electric [Construction “Company” and the Chousan Electric Company. He was a director of the Chousan Steam Navigation Company, the Yung An Steamship Company, the Yung Leo Shipping Company, 'the Chang Ko Navigation Company, the Ta Tah Navigation Company and in several other shipping interests. He was a prominent shareholder in many cotton and flour mills, pap factories and other industrial enterprises."
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Flag of Falcón state (1 of 2)

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:58, 31 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Verificado 2018 was a collaboration for verification and fact-checking that involved at least 90 organizations, to counter disinformation around Mexico’s July 2018 federal election?

• Reviewed: Shuah Khan
• Comment: QPQ completed

Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 02:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the Museiliha inscription, a boundary marker from the first century AD, hints at a Roman legal judgment setting boundaries between ancient Caesarea-ad-Libanum and Gigarta?

• ALT1: ... that the Museiliha inscription, a boundary marker from the first century AD, helped delineate ancient territories between the citizens of Caesarea-ad-Libanum and the Gigartans? Source: Renan 1864, p. 149.
  Mommsen, Hirschfeld & Domaszewski 1873, p. 31, insc. 183.
  Louvre Museum, 2024
• ALT2: ... that the Museiliha inscription, a boundary marker from the first century AD, is considered a rare ancient example of a documented border dispute? Source: de Ruggiero 1893, p. 443.
  Louvre Museum, 2024
• ALT3: ... that the Museiliha inscription, a boundary marker from the first century AD, includes carefully erased names, likely of Roman officials? Source: Mancini 1884, pp. 71–72.
  Louvre Museum, 2024
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Abu Sulayman Da'ud

el.ziade (talkallam) 10:12, 6 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that in 1931, residents of Barcelona called a rent strike?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jewish dairy restaurant
  • Comment: Driveby nom.

Launchballer 13:43, 5 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Article is new enough, long enough and adequately sourced, including the hook. QPQ done. Automated and spot checks find no copyvios or plagiarism. Only issue is that the hook is not that interesting. Maybe

• • ALT1: That the 1931 Barcelona rent strike involved 100,000 families and led to 18 deaths? Valenciano (talk) 19:48, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Might I also suggest ALT2: ... that the 1931 Barcelona rent strike resulted in 18 deaths, dozens of injuries and arrests, and an agreement on the reduction of rents?--Launchballer 20:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Valenciano: Could you please assess ALT2?--Launchballer 02:22, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry I missed your reply. ALT2 is fine, the 18 deaths sources to the El Pais article, which is behind a paywall so I took that in good faith (and verified it in other sources anyway.) Valenciano (talk) 10:32, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that American missiles were used to bomb a displacement camp in Rafah?

• Reviewed:

Personisinsterest (talk) 12:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• I'd like to propose some alternative hooks, if that's okay:

  • ALT1: ... that the "Kuwaiti Peace" tent camp, struck by Israeli fighter jets, was located only 200 meters from the largest UNRWA humanitarian aid storage warehouse in the Gaza Strip? Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hamas-rockets-central-israel-gaza-strip-sirens/
  • ALT2:... that a viral image showing tents in Rafah arranged to spell "All Eyes on Rafah" called for global attention to the humanitarian crisis following the Tel al-Sultan attack? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/29/world/middleeast/all-eyes-on-rafah.html
  • ALT3: ... that the Tel al-Sultan attack was the deadliest incident of the Rafah offensive? Source: https://www.axios.com/2024/05/27/rafah-tent-camp-strike-biden-israel-red-line

Smallangryplanet (talk) 09:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

* ... that several-times international champion adult figure skater Naz Arıcı started ice skating from scratch at the age of 29?

• ALT1: ... that electrical/electronics engineer Naz Arıcı quit her profession at the age of 34 to devote herself to competitions of adult figure skating she started when she was 29? Source: "... Naz Arıcı,“İlk şampiyonluğumdan sonra 2016 da katılacağım yarışma için işimi bıraktım ..." [21]", "29 yaşında sıfırdan başladığı buz pateninde 32 yaşında yetişkinler artistik buz pateni dünya şampiyonu oldu." [22]
• ALT2: ... that Naz Arıcı paved the way to the establishment of the adult figure skating branch in Turkey in 2016? Source: " Yetişkinler dalını 2015 yılında dünyada aldığı ilk şampiyonlukla (15 ülkeden 38 kişinin katıldığı Naz’ın ilk yarışması) Türkiye’ye getirdi ve 2016 yılında ülkemize yeni bir dalın açılmasını sağladı." [23]
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Arthur France

CeeGee 11:43, 7 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral: - n
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - AGF

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
• Interesting:
• Other problems: - n

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I was excited to see this bio at DYK, since I work on figure skating articles, too, and I value creating and improving fs articles, especially ones about women skaters. Such a beautiful story about adult figure skating in Turkey. However and unfortunately, I don't think that this bio is ready for the main page. The bio uses, for example, overly promotional and puffery language, such as most of the third paragraph in the "Early life" section. Much of the prose also suffers from awkward wording in English as well. The hooks for this DYK suffers from similar issues; all hooks are worded awkwardly. It's awkward in English, for example, to state that one starts something from scratch. Rather, it should read something like this: ALT3:... that several-times international champion adult figure skater Naz Arıcı, with no previous experience, first learned how to figure skate the age of 29? Since I don't know Turkish and depend entirely on Google Translate, I'm AGF that the sources are accurately cited and worded and that there's no plagiarism. I think that if you worked on the article's prose, improving the hooks would be an easy fix. Please understand that I'm not being disrespectful, but I'm coming from a place of valuing the sport of figure skating on WP. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 04:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks a lot for your review and comment. I copyedited the article a little and replaced the original hokk with following:CeeGee 05:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3: ... that several-times international champion adult figure skater Naz Arıcı, with no previous experience, first learned how to figure skate at the age of 29?

• ... that a squirrel once helped its owner's OnlyFans account make $800,000 in a month? Source: https://tribune.com.pk/story/2507306/new-york-couple-blames-jealousy-for-pet-squirrel-peanuts-seizure-and-euthanization-by-dec
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Moses da Rieti
  • Comment: Drive-by nom, this was way too good a hook to pass up. I'll clean this up in the morning.

Launchballer 22:08, 4 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Note to the reviewer: the article is currently on the Recent deaths section of ITN, but as the disqualification only applies to bolded links in blurbs and not to RD entries, the article remains eligible for DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:16, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1... that the death of squirrel named Peanut was a Republican rallying cry in the last days before the 2024 United States presidential election? Source: Washington Post Thriley (talk) 20:15, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that on the ship Eastern Venus (pictured), the "Modern" suite is not in modern style?

• • Reviewed:

UserMemer (chat) Tribs 21:03, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the onomatopoeia "puff-puff" originated in Dragon Ball before becoming a staple of the Dragon Quest series?

• ALT1: ... that the sexual onomatopoeia "puff-puff" has been censored in English releases of Dragon Quest until Dragon Quest XI? Source: https://www.thegamer.com/dragon-quest-puff-puff-joke-explained/
  https://www.gamerevolution.com/news/381261-dragon-quest-xi-wont-censored-western-players
• Reviewed:

Cukie Gherkin (talk) 04:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the first time college football player Jordan Watkins had more than one touchdown in a game, he set his team's receiving touchdowns record with five?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Favre's Dad Game
• Comment: QPQ to be done within 24 hours. Open to other ways of wording the hook; interestingly I had turned the previous breaking of the record (Tre Harris) into a hook as well.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:47, 10 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the Saybrook Colony was sold to Connecticut for annual payment of 130 pounds of one-third wheat, one-third peas, and one-third rye or barley?

• ALT1: ... that Oliver Cromwell attempted to emigrate to the Saybrook Colony, but was prevented from doing so? Source: Dean, John Ward (1866). The Story of the Embarkation of Cromwell and His Friends for New England.
• ALT2: ... that the Saybrook Colony was besieged for several months during the Pequot War? Source: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Pequot-War
• Reviewed:

Gazingo (talk) 16:00, 5 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - I may be reading this wrong, but the source says it was 180 pounds annually required, not 130. Should be fixed before it can be accepted.
• Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Hook and article should be updated to include the correct statistic. PersusjCP (talk) 17:28, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that in 2016, two thieves stole a van filled with $350,000 worth of rare books in Oakland, California, and tried to sell first editions of William Faulkner and Cormac McCarthy to Moe's Books nearby?

• • Reviewed:

Phibeatrice (talk) 23:41, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that bacteria can produce fuel?

• Reviewed:

Hmsuth4770 (talk) 17:52, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Not a 5x expansion. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:35, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Technically, it's not far off, but either way it's a few hundred off 1,500 characters and very stubby. I say give @Hmsuth4770: a chance.--Launchballer 22:41, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Ian (Wiki Ed), this actually almost a 5x expansion: 235 prose characters prior to the recent edits, and 1102 at present (5x would be 1175). However, it fails to meet the 1500 prose character minimum required of every article nominated for DYK. When nominators come up short—mainly because they're not counting prose characters, which DYK check can count for you—we typically allow them to expand the nominated article, if they can do so in a timely manner. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:49, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• BlueMoonset Thanks for double-checking. I always just assume Shubinator's tool is correct on the expansion. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:56, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I've emailed them, because students don't always check messages all that often. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ian (Wiki Ed) and Hmsuth4770: Please address the above.--Launchballer 02:25, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Article is now an adequate length Chaiten1 (talk) 17:35, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine. I'll let a reviewer adjudicate as to whether the stub tag is deserved.--Launchballer 17:40, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Femke Bol won the women's 400 metres at the 2023 European Athletics Indoor Championships (final pictured) with her third 400 metres indoor race under 50 seconds of 2023?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Altan

Editør (talk) 11:14, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

ALT1 ... that Femke Bol won the women's 400 metres at the 2023 European Athletics Indoor Championships (final pictured) successfully defending her 400 metres indoor title from 2021?
Source: "While Warholm likes to inflict his damage over the opening 200m, Bol’s trademark is tearing her rivals to shreds over the latter half. That was again the case here, the defending champion opening broad daylight between her and her rivals down the back straight and looking magnificently majestic as she strode to the finish in 49.85, with Klaver winning silver in 50.57 and Poland’s Anna Kielbasinska taking bronze in 51.25." (link)
– Editør (talk) 10:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that sports teacher Harold Styan of Clifton House School was a gymnast who played the music halls when young, and knocked out two attackers in his old age? (155 characters)

• ALT1: ... that gym teacher Harold Styan of Clifton House School was awarded the Order of the British Empire for services to youth, but as an old man he knocked out two lads who attacked him? (180 characters) Source: The London Gazette and as ALT0
• Reviewed: Bunt sind schon die Wälder and Helen Chaman Lall
• Comment: Clifton House School was moved to mainspace by me on 4 November 2024. Harold Styan was moved to mainspace on my behalf by admin Keith D on 18 November 2024, because my pagemover rights did not permit me to override a redirect page.

Storye book (talk) 11:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• I'm not yet sure if I will give this a full review, so I'll just leave this as a comment for now. Although the angle provided meets DYKINT, I have reservations if it meets the guidelines. For one, both hooks may need a trimming (it might be better to focus on the "two attackers were knocked out" angle alone without mentioning the gymnast or music hall clauses). More importantly, I'm not sure if the hooks as currently written meet WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE, specifically the part about avoiding writing hooks where the bolded article is only tangentially related to the main hook fact (the hooks seem to be more about Styan than the school itself). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:26, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT0 is 155 characters. According to the link you provided about trimming, it is ideal length.
• ALT1 is 180 characters. Being 180 characters is not a trimming issue by itself.
• Styan was a big part of that school, as can be seen in the article. There is plenty of material about him in the article, because he was a big presence there. If our readers click on the bold link, they will read more about Styan there than anywhere else online. Therefore he is relevant to the hook.
• Meanwhile I'll go and find an extra hook or two, anyway. Storye book (talk) 10:04, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• ALT2: ... Clifton House School formed a scout pack which received an award from Lord Baden Powell for "best pack the United Kingdom"? Source: Neesam, Malcolm (26 February 1999). "Lord Baden Powell on the Stray". Harrogate Advertiser and Weekly List of the Visitors. p. 7 col.4. Retrieved 30 October 2024 – via British Newspaper Archive. "Lord Baden Powell was in Harrogate for the special purpose of presenting Peter's Pole to the Clifton House School Pack, which had won the award of best pack in the United Kingdom, an exceptional commendation".
• ALT0a: ... that sports teacher Harold Styan of Clifton House School played the music halls when young, and knocked out two attackers in his old age? Source as above
• ALT0b: ... that Clifton House School's sports teacher Harold Styan played the music halls when young, and knocked out two attackers in his old age? Source as above Storye book (talk) 11:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One issue is that, while not an official rule or guidelines, it is usually discouraged to mention people without articles by name in hooks. I'm not sure how strict that practice is, but it's been brought up many times in the past. In any case, it might be necessary to remove Styan's name from the hooks. As for the trimming part, the wording I had was something like "... that a Clifton House School sports teacher knocked out two attackers in his old age?", which is more straightforward. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:19, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think your suggestion is appropriate, because this was an expensive private school, and Styan had the Order of the British Empire for his youth work. In other words, he was a hero and teacher, not a gangster. The hooks that I gave suggest that he was a complicated and interesting character, but your hook suggests that he might be just some kind of felon or that he ultimately developed dementia. If there is no specific rule against using his name, then I don't see why we should remove it. However I shall look at that section of the article and see whether there is enough there to make Styan into a separate article, then the hooks will have his name in lights, and this nom will be a double nom. Storye book (talk) 16:52, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update. I am separating the two articles, but it will take a day or two. Thank you for your patience. Please note that the Harold Styan link is currently a redirect to Clifton House School. I shall correct that when I publish his article. Storye book (talk) 18:03, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a rule that's formally codified and thus not in the guidelines, but I remember it being discouraged before. I think Theleekycauldron might know about it. In any case, if the hook becomes a double nom then that particular issue becomes moot. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:09, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

see WP:DYKG#C1 theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 23:13, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure what you are referring to, Leeky, but the redirect is temporary on this page as explained above, and not intended for publication on the Main Page. I have nearly finished Styan's own page, and hope to publish today or tomorrow (when the redirect will resolve to a direct link). Thank you for your patience. Storye book (talk) 12:09, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good to me! :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:36, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Harold Styan now has his own article, so his name is now bolded in the hooks. Admin, please could we now have this as a double nom? BlueMoonset? Mandarax? Maile66? Thank you. (I shall shortly provide a QPQ for the Harold Styan article Update: second review done. See "reviewed" section above).Storye book (talk) 11:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The second article has been integrated into the nomination template. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:14, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you, Mandarax! Storye book (talk) 18:28, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Both articles are now ready for review. Storye book (talk) 11:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that after he failed to come home for dinner, Rev. James Michael Reardon's assistant priests found he had died in the Basilica of Saint Mary while praying the rosary?

• ALT1: ... that despite knowing nothing about journalism, The Catholic Bulletin's founding editor Rev. James Michael Reardon (pictured) established a paid subscriber base of 25,000? Source: "Catholic Bulletin Is 50 Years Old". The Minneapolis Star. 7 January 1961. p. 7A. Retrieved 5 November 2024.
• ALT2: ... that Rev. James Michael Reardon (pictured) was called "the last of the clerical gentlemen"? Source: "Monsignor Reardon". The Minneapolis Star. 14 December 1963. Retrieved 4 November 2024.
• ALT3: ... that Rev. James Michael Reardon (pictured) wrote "the most comprehensive" history book of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Saint Paul and Minneapolis? Source: Hopfensperger, Jean (Mar 21, 1988). "Area Catholic churches mark century of service". pp. 7B. Retrieved 5 November 2024.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/St Francis of Assisi Church, Notting Hill

~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 02:56, 5 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that a skull of the distant horse relative Palaeotherium (pictured) was first described as belonging to an amphibian then later to a canine?

• ALT1: ... that the science historian Bruno Belhoste argued that Georges Cuvier's study of Palaeotherium (pictured) in 1798 "marks the true birth of paleontology"? Source: Chapter 10: From Quarry to Paper. Cuvier's Three Epistemological Cultures
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hymenophyllum axsmithii

PrimalMustelid (talk) 23:58, 4 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the members of an alleged conspiracy to overthrow Saladin and restore the Fatimid Caliphate are said to have made common cause with the Crusaders and the Assassins?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Piri Reis

Constantine ✍ 19:27, 4 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Comment: Not a review but the hook can be made better. Doesn't seem appealing enough but there's an underlying interest. All the best! _Regards, Aafi ^(talk) 18:14, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Biblical Magi dispense mysterious vision-inducing foods in the Revelation of the Magi, proposed to be an account of ritual hallucinogen intake?

• ALT1: ... that the Revelation of the Magi, a Christian work in Syriac, is proposed to describe ritual hallucinogen intake, perhaps of hallucinogenic mushrooms? Source: See above.
• ALT2: ... that the Star of Bethlehem transforms into a glowing celestial human child in the Revelation of the Magi, a Christian work in Syriac? Source: https://www.academia.edu/207910 (title alone also probably sufficient here, but full work online)
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Brick by Brick: How Lego Rewrote the Rules of Innovation
• Comment: The QPQ is technically incomplete, but I started it 4 days ago and am waiting on the nominator.

I prefer the original or ALT1. Providing ALT2 mostly in case people really, really don't want to include the drug use. (I don't think ALT2 fails the DYKFICTION as fiction & mythology are two different things IMO and describing mythology / religion is okay, but mentioning that issue here if you want to be a stickler about real-world stuff.)

SnowFire (talk) 21:15, 9 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Oasis has been described as a "haunted" version of Minecraft? Source:[24]
  • ALT1: ... that Oasis, a clone of Minecraft, runs using no code? Source:[25]
  • ALT2: ... that Oasis, a clone of Minecraft, is run entirely using artificial intelligence? Source:[26]
  • ALT3: ... that an AI-generated Minecraft clone has been described as an early glimpse at the future of video games? Source:[27]
  • Reviewed:

Loytra (talk) 13:36, 7 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Comment The disambiguation is incorrect - if this is considered a video game, then per WP:NCVGDAB it should be (2024 video game) instead (since there is already a 2005 video game of the same name). That said, I am not sure I would consider it a video game, given that it does not work according to anything but dream logic, and is more of a vague approximation of a game. Therefore, (simulation) or (AI simulation) could be a better disambiguation. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:30, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • If it's not clear exactly what Oasis is, then why would the disambiguation be considered incorrect? The software is most notable for being a clone of Minecraft, surely that should be mentioned in the title for clarity sake? Hell, half the time it's referred to as "AI Minecraft" rather than its actual name. Loytra (talk) 01:43, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • It is incorrect because "Minecraft clone" is overly specific and therefore goes against disambiguation guidelines. It is like using (black dog with long fur and floppy ears) instead of (dog). It must be made more broad, whether by calling it "video game" or "simulation". Furthermore, calling it a "clone" may in fact be incorrect. It is literally Minecraft, as played by interpreting the game through an AI, whereas "clone" is typically used to describe games that are similar to, but not identical to another. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:42, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • Most of the sources referenced in the article describe it as a "version of Minecraft" or simply "AI-generated Minecraft". It really isn't commonly referred to as "Oasis"; I don't think most people would recognise the software if it was under the title "Oasis (2024 video game)" or "Oasis (simulation)". Imo it has to have "Minecraft" in the title. I know naming conventions are pretty strict but I'd almost argue that this is an WP:IAR situation. Loytra (talk) 11:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • I can confidently say it's not an IAR situation. After looking at the sources more, I am convinced that (AI model) is the best DAB for this as it is first and foremost a model that can be "played" using a game interface. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:43, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. I don't think arguing over the title should block this from DYK. Only truly egregiously wrong titles would cause that kind of problem, and the current title is clearly not that bad - as noted, the COMMONNAME is something like "AI Minecraft". (And I don't think the case is as open-and-shut as Zxc thinks it is, either.) Zxc, you should file a WP:RM and see what the community thinks IMO. SnowFire (talk) 19:21, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree. Its now time to keep discussion in this template related to DYK reviews and any discussion about the name of this article, should take place via an RM and any discussion about improving this article should take place at the relevant talk page. Article titles are outside the scope of a DYK review. side note: sounds like I'm a forum moderator at this point JuniperChill (talk) 16:19, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Miles Rock, one of the first graduates of Lehigh University in 1869, helped determine the Guatemala–Mexico border?

Page 979, "he graduated as Civil Engineer with the first class of Lehigh in 1869". Page 979, "he served as Chief of the Guatemala Boundary Commission, charged

with the duty of determining and locating the disputed frontier between Guatemala and Mexico"

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Peel's Cut
  • Comment: Just created the article, fascinating individual, will try to get a photo uploaded... Also, I did a QPQ because I have a bunch of DYK's from a few years ago

dm (talk) 23:44, 5 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that although abortion in Kyrgyzstan is legal, many women refuse to go through with it as it is considered haram in Islamic law?

• Reviewed:

-Emily (PhoenixCaelestis) (talk) 15:41, 5 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• @PhoenixCaelestis: The article looks good. No copyvios. QPQ not needed. Hook is interesting. I would add a link to haram. In the sources I was unable to find the part that said that it is haram, and that women refuse to do it for this reason. I see that part about that woman in Osh, but the source doesn't say the "haram" bit. Could you provide one that does say "haram" please? ―Panamitsu (talk) 05:14, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Panamitsu: I've added a link to haram, and here's a source for the part on whether or not abortion is haram. It is from the Australian National Imams Council, an organization of mosque leaders.

https://www.anic.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/THE-ISLAMIC-POSITION-ON-ABORTION.pdf

―PhoenixCaelestis (talk) 07:26, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @PhoenixCaelestis: Thank you for working on this article. The source you suggest states the formal position as haram, but I do not see information in the article or the source you added to support the statement "that women refuse to do it for this reason". You need statistics if you want to support this claim. The only case mentioned is one woman doctor who says that she is now afraid to counsel people about abortion. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 20:18, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• @Mary Mark Ockerbloom: I've added two more sources to the article to back the claim, and I will provide them here as well.

https://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/Review/responses/KYRGYZSTAN-English.pdf https://europe.ippf.org/blogs/kyrgyzstans-cocktail-conservatism-and-apathy-bitter-draught-women

-Emily (PhoenixCaelestis) (talk) 13:05, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @PhoenixCaelestis: The new sources generally talk about culture and issues in medical care for women, but I don't see that either one clearly presents either a claim or evidence that many women refuse to go through with abortion because it is considered haram. One source even comments (without data?) that women may be more likely to get abortions because contraception is costly. The sources are also not very current. I'm not trying to be difficult here, but I think you'll need to either rephrase the hook or find more explicit sources that clearly support what you state. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 17:02, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The hook is very unlikely to be true. In addition to what Mary Mark Ockerbloom wrote, I should also note that the claim that abortion is haram is in itself either misleading or outright incorrect, as explained by Islam and abortion. Each of the four Sunni schools considers abortion permitted but under different circumstances, and the dominant school in Kyrgyzstan is the one that is most permitting regarding abortion. Surtsicna (talk) 23:12, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Vivian Sung learned hairstyling to prepare for her role in Miss Shampoo?

• ALT1: ... that several local residents mistook the production set of Miss Shampoo for a real shop and entered during filming? Source: ^[2]
• ALT2: ... that several baseball teams declined Miss Shampoo's invitation to collaborate due to concerns about the film's dialogue? Source: ^[3]
• ALT3: ... that Rakuten Monkeys included a fictional character from Miss Shampoo in their 2023 lineup as part of the film's marketing campaign? Source: ^[4]
• ALT4: ... that singer Jeffrey Huang was cast as the lead in Miss Shampoo but dropped out because he became more interested in another project by the director? Source: ^[5]
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Fengshan (general)

Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 06:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the Japanese band Gohobi describes themselves as having a tofu mentality? Source: [28] ("「自信がなくて何が悪い 男女混声豆腐メンタル五人組」")
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ivan Ivan (ice hockey)
  • Comment: Up to the reviewer if there should be quotes around "tofu mentality".

Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• @Narutolovehinata5:, Thanks for the article. This is a suggestion: could you expand the article slightly to give some idea of what it means to have a "tofu mentality"? For those of us who won't be able to read the original sources if we click through, the current Wikipedia article gives no explanation of the hook. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 20:26, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth, the sources regarding the band only use "tofu mentality" without further elaboration (other than it was a term they gave to themselves), so I can't really add more to the article without doing original research. Technically, in Japanese, the term "tofu mentality" means something similar to what English speakers would call a "snowflake", although the article uses a literal translation of "豆腐メンタル" rather than the translated version (which is probably still accurate since the literal meaning is correct in Japanese). The full explanation about what the term means would probably not work for the band's article since it would delve into original research or even WP:COAT, but that's the explanation for context. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:06, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

jp:豆腐メンタル maps to Snowflake (slang), so maybe a piped link to Snowflake (slang) in the hook would suffice?

have created redirect for tofu mentality, and updating hook below -Bogger (talk) 15:11, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0A... that the Japanese band Gohobi describes themselves as having a tofu mentality? (same source) -Bogger (talk) 14:43, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Perplexities after Escher, a composition for heckelphone, string quartet and double bass, is based on five graphic artworks by M. C. Escher, including Kringloop? Source: [29]
  • ALT1: ... that Perplexities after Escher is a composition for heckelphone, string quartet and double bass that was premiered 120 years after the heckelphone was introduced? Source: [30]
  • Reviewed: Apricot dress of Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy

Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:11, 10 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Will leave this to another reviewer, but a shortened version of ALT1 would probably be a good option:

ALT2 ... that Perplexities after Escher, a composition for the heckelphone, was composed to commemorate the instrument's 120th anniversary?

ALT2a ... that Perplexities after Escher, a composition for the heckelphone, was composed for the instrument's 120th anniversary?

ALT2b ... that Perplexities after Escher, a composition for the heckelphone, was composed as part of the instrument's 120th anniversary celebrations?

Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:48, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After giving this some thoughts, I've struck the original hook and ALT1. The original hook is unlikely to be perceived as interesting to those who are not specialists in classical music or art, and the second hook's wording is a bit weird and its point is probably better expressed by the ALT2 variations. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what your "some thoughts" were. The fact that this music is not for heckelphone alone, but for an interesting group of chamber musicians, including double bass - these poor people otherwise have just the Trout Quintet - is key to the music, and being able to see one of the inspiring images has nothing to do with classical music, and looking at pictures is no "specialist knowledge in art", to my understanding, but something that children can do. Therefore I actually prefer ALT0. The 120 years seems rather of "specialist" interest, no? Who cares if 110 or 130? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. ALT0 is a good hook. I've asked for it to be restored below. Viriditas (talk) 09:09, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: I think you may have been a little quick to dismiss ALT0, perhaps because of your previous experience with Gerda's hooks. I think ALT0 is far from obscure as you describe it; Escher has high name recognition in the US and Europe, and the fact that there's a classical composition based on five of his art works is about as interesting as it gets. I would therefore ask you to restore ALT0. Viriditas (talk) 09:07, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I propose a rebooted ALT0 as ALT0a below:

ALT0a ... that Perplexities after Escher, a composition for heckelphone, string quartet and double bass, is based on five graphic artworks by M. C. Escher?

Thank you. I add the link to the specific image especially for those general readers who (inspite of the bestseller Gödel, Escher, Bach) would not immediately recognize Escher. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:48, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ps: I wonder about the copyright of that image. Could we perhaps even include it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We could leave the final choice to the reviewer, but for what it's worth, saying that ALT0/ALT0a works because Escher is well-known in those regions could come off as Western-centric or a case of systemic bias. Not all regions in the world are familiar with him, and I imagine that while he might be well known among art circles there, among the general public perhaps not as much. Just speaking from a non-American or non-European perspective here (or to be specific, an Asian perspective). I also suspect that, regardless, the Escher angle will be less likely to get readership interest as it's somewhat more specialist than the alternative (the main point of the hook requiring knowing who Escher is). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:05, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See M.C. Escher's Legacy: A Centennial Celebration (2007)[2003] ISBN 978-3-540-28849-7: Exhibitions in 1998, the centennial year of his birth, "were held in Brazil, Mexico, The Czech Republic, Hong Kong, Great Britain, China, Greece, Italy, Argentina, Canada, Holland, and Peru." (83) "The Japanese artist Shigeo Fukuda built an accurate model of Escher's Belvedere". (229) However, at the same time, the NYT tried to deny Escher any legitimacy in the artworld, claiming he was a "nonartist" outside of niche circles of mathematicians, physicists, crystallographers, visual perception experts, and of course, psychedelic adventurers. (p. V, see "Smith, Roberta, "Just a Nonartist in the Art World, But Endlessly Seen and Cited," The New York Times, January 21, 1998, E1, E3.) Why the NYT has a habit of making such crazy, overtly false statements is anyone's guess (their downplaying of famous historical events like the Holocaust is well known, doubly ironic since Sulzberger, their publisher, was Jewish). Viriditas (talk) 21:45, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a link to Escher, and one to heckelphone. People able to click on a link will then know who Escher and when the heckelphone was introduced. To tell people when the heckelphone was introduced as practically the only information of a hook seems pretty senseless to me, the longer I think about it. It's about music, no? - Kindly unstrike ALT0 and leave it to a reviewer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth, I just did an informal survey over at Discord and most of the responses did say they're familiar with him, so there's that and appears that I'm mistaken. We can probably leave ALT0a as an option for the reviewer, but ALT0 still has extra details and we'd rather avoid those whenever possible. Regardless of Escher, WP:DYKTRIM remains relevant. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that René Vallon (pictured) achieved both the first flight and first flight-related death in China?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Gitmo playlist

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:47, 6 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• I don't causing a death is an achievement. The first flight is. Kablammo (talk) 00:28, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • It was intended for brevity. How about ALT1 ... that René Vallon (pictured) achieved the first flight in China, but died less than three months later in the country's first aviation accident? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:41, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes. Kablammo (talk) 01:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • I wonder if another verb would work, such as: "... that R V is known for both..." ProfGray (talk) 03:03, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • That could work too. ALT0a ... that René Vallon (pictured) is known for both the first flight and the first flight-related death in China? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 04:04, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
          • ALT0a could be revised since the wording is rather vague and doesn't make it clear that he was the first flight-related death in China. The hook could be interpreted to mean he was involved in the death without saying he was the fatality. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
            • ALT0b: ... that René Vallon (pictured) is known for both achieving the first flight and being the first flight-related death in China? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:49, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that a music video for a song on Dostrotime was made with a real oscilloscope?

• Reviewed:

Beachweak (talk) 12:55, 6 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Kwan Man-ching (pictured), who directed more than fifty films in forty years, entered the industry hoping to meet his celebrity crush?

• ALT1: ... that Kwan Man-ching (pictured) advised D. W. Griffith to forego queues with Broken Blossoms? Source: Lester, Jason (2023). Experiments with China in American Modernity (Thesis). University of Oregon – via ProQuest. "Whereas Kwan positioned himself in relation to signifiers of classical Chinese tradition in his endeavors within poetry and fine art, he went to great lengths in Griffith’s production to advocate for the modernity of the Chinese people. He persuaded Griffith against the Chinese protagonist of the film wearing a queue, arguing it would be woefully anachronistic for a narrative taking place in the current day."
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Rei Nakashima

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the organization of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was inspired by Health Canada's organization in 1980?
  Source: [31]
• ALT1: ... that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is organized into centers descended from ones created in 1980, except for two founded in 1914 and in 1899?
  Sources: [32] [33] [34] [35]

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Maria Muntañola Cvetković
  • Comment: Since NIOSH is part of CDC, I have a COI and I request an experienced editor to check the article.

John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 00:07, 8 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that between February and August 1918 the Petergofsky District mobilized more than 20 combat units for the Red Army?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Interstate 59 in Alabama

Soman (talk) 23:33, 7 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the melody for the song "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" (Colourful are the forests already) that Johann Friedrich Reichardt (pictured) created in 1799 has remained popular? Source: [36]
  • Reviewed: David Hilchen

Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:16, 7 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• I shall review this. Storye book (talk) 10:41, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Thank you for this interesting article. I would like to hear this one. A few comments:

• Earwig finds only quotations and proper names. No problem there.
• The hook citation (above) for ALT0 was not in the article, so I added it there. I also gave the article a very minor copyedit. That does not affect this DYK review.
• One issue: The citation given above for ALT0 does not confirm popularity. Popularity is mentioned in the name of the website, but not in the main text of the website. Also, the website name says (if I understand correctly) "popular and traditional lieder", so according to that, this piece could be in traditional style (which does not imply popularity). So I think we need to EITHER find another citation OR another hook. Storye book (talk) 11:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Storye book: Not really a fan of the proposed hook, since the context given does not seem to make it clear why it is important that it has remained popular, and the context of it remaining popular is not clear (what is intended by "remained popular"?). I was going to suggest a hook involving Schubert, but the meaning of "different setting" is not clear: does it mean he wrote another melody to the song, or that Reichardt's melody was later re-used by Schubert? If it's the latter then perhaps that could work as a hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The wording I had in mind was something like "... that the melody of "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" (Colourful are the forests already) by Johann Friedrich Reichardt (pictured) was later used by Franz Schubert?", but I'm not sure if that was the intended context of the "Schubert wrote a different setting" part. That suggestion could probably still be worked on, I just threw it out here for brainstorming purposes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:42, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you - both - for thinking. I am open to rewording. Grammar: in German, "und" says that something is both, both traditional and popular", - if it was only one, German would use "oder". As you will have seen, there were multiple melodies, before and after, but this is the one in most publications, recorded, sung. Take Hannes Wader, a singer-songwriter himself: singing that old melody. (yt at the bottom) - Schubert wrote a different setting (= different melody + different piano), which didn't become popular, - note that only one of the uses mentioned has his version, - it remained for art singers and higher school education. What word would you choose instead of "popular" for: is the one that people know and sing? Schubert is really only a side note here, his setting didn't get popular in any sense, it's not Erlkönig. I didn't know he wrote a melody, but now he wrote 700 (as DYK once informed us). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:35, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would it help to add that it was recorded among the "80 most popular Volkslieder" [37]. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The new reference given by Gerda Arendt is satisfactory, and it explains the meaning of popularity in the article's context. Gerda, could you please give us an ALT1, and put the new sentence and citation in the article? Thank you. Storye book (talk) 08:16, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Storye bookYou mean a sentence about that collection? (In another nom, someone mentioned "promotional". Anyway, ref added, which supports "remained popular. Will search for more. As a little gift: a children's tv version ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:30, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added two more indications of popularity, a 2011 poll and a 2017 collection. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:11, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT0a: ... that the Volkslied "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" (Colourful are the forests already) has remained popular with the 1799 melody by Johann Friedrich Reichardt (pictured)?

to avoid the impression that only the melody remained popular. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:14, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Gerda. The citation is now in the article, and I approve ALT0a, with image. Storye book (talk) 09:40, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Pulling this per this discussion. Jlwoodwa raised concerns that the hook was hard to understand. In addition, the hook at best probably borderline meets WP:DYKINT. Some possible alternative suggestions:

• ALT1 ... that "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" placed second in a 2011 poll by MDR on the most beautiful Volkslied?
• ALT1a ... that "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" placed second in a 2011 poll by MDR on the most beautiful German folk song?

Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:48, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

for ALT 1 or 1a, subject to Gerda Arendt's approval. Storye book (talk) 09:47, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry that I wrote so misleading. Not true. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: As far as I can see, you have not written anything misleading or untrue. Please explain? Thanks.

Regarding the word, "popular", in the discussion someone appeared confused by the word, presumably because they lived in a world so narrow that they did not know that "popular music" is a subsidiary meaning of "popular", which has for hundreds of years just meant that a lot of people liked something. Storye book (talk) 10:19, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The poll had 20 suggestions without Herbstlied. IT was No. 2 of the additional ones. - Please word for me. A song with a 1799 tune is still popular. The song hast a longish title in German, which I thought was good to translate. The title could mean anything, so we have to say what it is if you ask me. As you will not have noticed the hook is a bit quirky because with a composed melody it's not what you'd expect a Volkslied to be. Why would we not credit the composer who won over Schubert in popularity? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:09, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2 ... that the folk-style melody for "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" was composed long ago by Johann Friedrich Reichardt (pictured) and it is still liked by many?

ALT1b .... that radio listeners voted "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" second in their suggested list of the most beautiful German folk songs? (See Gerda's comment above, regarding this one). Storye book (talk) 11:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Third party required to approve ALT2 and/or ALT1b only. Storye book (talk) 11:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think ALT1b would get us into trouble with ERRORS because it's more No. 22, and tough to explain with the 20 from the station. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:33, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Caribbean dockworkers started some of the first multinational anti-apartheid protests in the wake of Milton King's death?

• ALT1: ... that 5 percent of Barbados's entire population turned out to protest the death of Milton King while under Cape Town police officers' custody? Source: Source 1: "10,000 Joined Protest March". The Barbados Advocate. Bridgetown, Barbados. August 26, 1951. p. 12. Source 2: United Nations. 1951 Demographic Yearbook (PDF) (1951 ed.). New York: Statistical Office of the United Nations. p. 95. Retrieved 31 July 2024.
• ALT2: ... that a sailor standing up to police harassment led to some of the first multinational anti-apartheid protests? Source: Source 1: Cobley, Alan Gregor (June 1992). "'Far from home': the origins and significance of the Afro‐Caribbean community in South Africa to 1930". Journal of Southern African Studies. 18 (2): 349–370. doi:10.1080/03057079208708318. Source 2: "Policeman Charged in Death of Milton King". The Barbados Advocate. Bridgetown, Barbados. British United Press. June 15, 1951. p. 3.
• Reviewed:
• Comment: Apologies for being a tad delayed on nomination. My first GA. Very open to feedback on hooks, etc.

SunTunnels (talk) 01:49, 15 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Ruthenian Catholic bishop Artur Bubnevych earned a degree in Gaming?
  • Reviewed: Template: Did you know nominations/Thomas Curnow
  • Comment: off-site help with hook provided by User:Darth Stabro

Maximilian775 (talk) 20:58, 14 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Comment: the subject of the article will not be a bishop until 28 Jan 2025; the hook can either be held until then, or rephrased to say "bishop-elect". ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 01:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Canaanite ivory comb that contains the earliest sentence in a phonetic alphabet was categorized as a miscellaneous artifact for five years before gaining significance as an important discovery?

• Reviewed:
• Comment: An image would be excellent for this entry. The images are there in the internet but I have been unable to find a suitable one that can be uploaded to commons with proper licensing. Please help me find/upload a picture for this artifact.

❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 20:21, 9 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Comment: So, between 2004 and 2010 or so, I did a lot of reading about artifacts like this. It turns out that it is extremely common for items like this to be set aside for years, decades, perhaps even a century or more, before someone comes along and decides to give them a second look. I only bring this up because while I like your hook, I could see others objecting to it as mundane. Viriditas (talk) 23:35, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Jim Rivaldo consulted political campaigns for Harvey Milk in the 1970s and Kamala Harris in 2003?

• ALT1: ... that gay political consultant Jim Rivaldo "used to think that all gay people were hairdressers"? Source: [39] “I used to think that all gay people were hairdressers,” Rivaldo said.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Robot Alley

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 00:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the Green Bay Packers lost the 2014 NFC Championship Game and a chance to go to the Super Bowl after having a 99.9% chance of victory late in the game?

• Reviewed: Barquq Castle

« Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:33, 8 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that no one slept on SZA's "Snooze"?

• ALT1: ... that no one slept on SZA's 2023 sleeper hit? Source: ditto + Billboard's Andrew Unterberger: "It was almost too on-the-nose that SZA's 'Snooze' would become one of the year's preeminent sleeper hits.
• ALT2: ... that SZA's "Snooze" happens to be a sleeper hit? Source: ditto
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites (song)
• Comment: So much material and play on words to work with (sleeper hit, "sleep on" the song, "hit snooze on" the song); additional hooks are therefore welcome!

Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 ^{[please make some noise]} 10:22, 8 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• I'll review this. Thriley (talk) 07:05, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that a Talmudic passage, "The Heart Knows its Own Bitterness", is used in Jewish medical ethics to justify patient autonomy?

• ALT1: ... that a Talmudic passage, "The Heart Knows its Own Bitterness", has been used to justify a rabbinic law project by and for transgender Jews? Source: current fn #5: Soloman, Laynie; Pearce, Russell G. (2022). "'Nothing about Us without Us': Toward a Liberatory Heterodox Halakha". Touro L. Rev. 37: 1769–1836 – via HeinOnline: ""The heart alone knows its bitterness" is not simply a mantra about the essential power of individuals to dictate their medical needs when confronted with a disputing party. This statement, as we have seen, becomes an interpretive principle that we can utilize to articulate a truth at the center of a vision of a liberatory Heterodox halakha that attempts to center the needs, realities, experiences, and expertise of the community from which it emerges. (1830)... The approaches to Heterodox halakhathat we have described thus far are the ideologies that ground the Trans Halakha Project, a recent initiative that "aims to curate existing resources that have been developed for trans Jews and by trans Jews..." (1832)

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Elin Falk
• Comment: I'm very sorry, I lost track of the timing (because I put wrong creation date on my user page)! It's a few days over. But the hooks are short and clearly sourced, so hopefully easy to review.

ProfGray (talk) 14:10, 19 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the alleged tomb of Bardakçı Baba contained only a skull for students?

• Reviewed: I will do ASAP

Alex2006 (talk) 20:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Haruki Murakami once wrote an entire book of photos and essays about his T-shirt collection, titled Murakami T, when he wasn't "in the mood to write fiction"?

• ALT1: ... that Haruki Murakami owns so many T-shirts that he collects them in "stacked-up cardboard boxes" and ended up publishing an entire book about them titled Murakami T? Source: T-shirts are one of those things which naturally pile up. They’re cheap, so whenever an interesting one catches my eye I buy it. People give me various novelty T-shirts from around the world, I get commemorative T-shirts whenever I run a marathon, and when I travel I often pick up a few, instead of bringing along extra clothes. Which is why the number of T-shirts in my life has skyrocketed, to the point where there’s no room in my drawers anymore and I have to store the overflow in stacked-up cardboard boxes.
  https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/27/an-accidental-collection
  • Reviewed:

Phibeatrice (talk) 06:39, 9 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Jill, Duchess of Hamilton donated her body to science because "funerals are a bore"?

• ALT1: ... that when asked about the proper form of address for a divorced duchess, Jill, Duchess of Hamilton replied, "I have absolutely no bloody idea, and please don't tell me"? Source: [41]
• ALT2: ... that in her PhD thesis Jill, Duchess of Hamilton uncovered how Christian women in Israel change churches to get a divorce–because Israel does not allow civil divorce? Source: [42]
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Marie Denizard

Surtsicna (talk) 21:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral: - I think consistently referring to Robertson as "the duchess", both in the title and throughout the article, despite her dislike for the title and her specific request for it to be removed from her byline, might cross the line of neutrality for me. Otherwise, it's all good.
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: The DYK submission itself looks good, I particularly like ALT0 and ALT1, and for the most part the article is quite good. But I can't help but feel like the use of the "duchess" title throughout the article and in the title crosses the line of non-neutrality, due to her explicit rejection of the title. This is really my main issue with it. Grnrchst (talk) 16:59, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the children's picture book Planting a Rainbow has a gardening theme? Source: pretty much any ref used, for example https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/lois-ehlert/planting-a-rainbow/
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Głos Kolejarzy Ewakuowanych — Golos Evakuirovannykh Zheleznodorozhnikov
  • Comment: I could not think of a more interesting hook... feel free to suggest stuff.

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:03, 13 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ALT1 ... that the children's picture book Planting a Rainbow has been praised for both its "deft use of colors" and the educational identification of seeds, bulbs, sprouts and blossoms? I don't have access to the source to confirm it, but this might be a possible alt. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 15:59, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that before there was Naz Reid, there was Naz Hall?

• ALT1: ... that the altar and baldachin of Nazareth Hall Preparatory Seminary (pictured) were relocated to the Church of Saint Michael in St. Michael, Minnesota? Source: Wiering, Maria (January 14, 2010). Towalski, Joe (ed.). "Liturgical object re-use 'keeps church's sacred art alive'" (PDF). The Catholic Spirit. Vol. 15, no. 1. Archdiocese of Saint Paul and Minneapolis. p. 23. Archived (PDF) from the original on 2024-11-10. Retrieved 9 November 2024.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nathania Ong
• Comment: Photo only for ALT1 hook

~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 14:51, 11 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that barrister Richard Du Cann acted for the defence in the Lady Chatterley's Lover obscenity trial and the trial of John Stonehouse MP?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jiangwan Racecourse

Dumelow (talk) 21:47, 10 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the newspaper Qizil Tugh ('Red Banner') provided a publishing platform for young Uyghur language poets and writers in the Soviet Union?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Pizza in Croatia
• Comment: barely above 1,500 bytes, but arguably 1930s Uyghur language journalism is underserved in wiki coverage

Soman (talk) 14:05, 10 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the film Hold Your Hand was based on the author's experiences after getting arrested in 2013?

• Reviewed:

Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 10:11, 10 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that college basketball player Adou Thiero plays for the same head coach that his father had played for?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Emil Bove
• Comment: QPQ to be done within 24 hours. Open to other ways of wording the hook.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:52, 18 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Kevin Roose wrote a viral article about artificial intelligence rhetoric after an AI bot attempted to convince him to leave his wife?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Stanley Washburn

paul2520 💬 15:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the 2011 Central Alabama tornado was on the ground for over two hours? Source: https://www.weather.gov/bmx/event_04272011cordova
  • ALT1: ... that the 2011 Central Alabama tornado hit Cordova, Alabama, several hours after another large tornado hit the town? Source: https://www.weather.gov/bmx/event_04272011parrish
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2019 Timaru hailstorm
  • Comment:

E_F⁵ 18:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Alien: Romulus (2024) starred Ian Holm (pictured) who had died four years earlier in 2020?

• ALT1: ... that Alien: Romulus (2024) starred an actor (pictured) who died in 2020? Source: https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20240820-why-people-are-upset-about-the-surprise-cameo-in-alien-romulus
• ALT2: ... that the decision to digitally include the late Ian Holm (pictured) in Alien: Romulus (2024) was described as "a disgraceful act of grave robbery or necromancy"? Source: https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20240820-why-people-are-upset-about-the-surprise-cameo-in-alien-romulus
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Walter G. Benz Jr.

Lankyant (talk) 03:19, 14 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ** ALT3: ... that The Offspring in Alien: Romulus (2024) was played by a 2.31 m (7 ft 7 in) tall Romanian former basket player?Source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2024/08/17/alien-romulus-spoilers-ending-plot/74766600007/

• ... that the 2007 Greensburg tornado was the first EF5-rated tornado to hit the United States? Source: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/267555392_Damage_survey_of_the_Greensburg_KS_tornado
  • ALT1: ... that Greensburg, Kansas, after being hit by the 2007 Greensburg tornado, was rebuilt with the goal of making it a "green town"? Source: https://www.nrel.gov/buildings/assets/pdfs/53539.pdf
  • ALT2: ... that the 2007 Greensburg tornado devastated Greensburg, Kansas, leaving 95% of the town damaged to some degree? Source: https://www.nrel.gov/buildings/assets/pdfs/53539.pdf
  • ALT3: ... that the 2007 Greensburg tornado was one of only nine EF5-rated tornadoes to touch down in the United States? Source: https://www.spc.noaa.gov/faq/tornado/f5torns.html
  • ALT4: ... that the 2007 Greensburg tornado was 1.7 miles (2.7 km) wide? Source: https://www.greensburgks.org/community/pages/2007-ef5-tornado
  • ALT5: ... that the 2007 Greensburg tornado had up to ten smaller tornadoes rotating around it? Source: https://data.cincinnati.com/tornado-archive/kansas/37297/
  • ALT6: ... that after hitting Greensburg, Kansas, the 2007 Greensburg tornado looped around, almost hitting the town again? Source: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/267555392_Damage_survey_of_the_Greensburg_KS_tornado
  • ALT7: ... that Greensburg, a documentary series about recovery efforts following the 2007 Greensburg tornado, was created by Leonardo DiCaprio? Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20111005072555/http://www.greensburgks.org/news/greensburg-season-3-to-air-on-planet-green/
  • ALT8: ... that although the 2007 Greensburg tornado was the first to be rated F5/EF5 in the United States in nine years, the next F5/EF5 tornado would occur in Canada a month later? Source: https://www.spc.noaa.gov/faq/tornado/f5torns.html and https://www.theweathernetwork.com/en/news/weather/severe/this-day-in-weather-history-june-22-2007-elie-manitoba-tornado
  • ALT9: ... that the 2007 Greensburg tornado was the first "incredible tornado" to hit the United States? Source: https://www.iccsafe.org/building-safety-journal/bsj-dives/how-damage-determines-a-tornados-rating-from-fujita-to-enhanced-fujita/#:~:text=EF%2D4%3A%20Devastating%20damage%20(,damage%20(Over%20200%20mph).
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Manhasset
  • Comment: Damage Survey authors considered experts in their field (see Timothy P. Marshall).

E_F⁵ 13:41, 13 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that lacrosse player Austin Staats' contract was suspended after he bit another player's finger?

• ALT1: ... that lacrosse player Austin Staats received a 7 game suspension for being a sore loser? Source: https://www.timesunion.com/sports/article/san-diego-player-gets-7-game-suspension-incident-19451876.php
• Reviewed:
• Comment: ALT1 might be too disparaging. Idk, happy to receive input.

SammySpartan (talk) 23:16, 18 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the 2025 season for Inter Miami CF includes matches in the FIFA Club World Cup? Source: USA Today
  • Reviewed: List of Chivas USA managers

SounderBruce 04:03, 18 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Hello @SounderBruce:, where is your QPQ?--Launchballer 11:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Launchballer: QPQ has been added. SounderBruce 05:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Trey McKenney made all 14 of his free throws in St. Mary's Preparatory's 2024 state championship victory?

ALT1 that Trey McKenney led his last place basketball team to the final four for his state?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:17, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2 that after Trey McKenney's basketball team finished in last place he led them to state championship the following year?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:10, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ernest Prestwich
• Comment: 2nd of 2 QPQs for Prestwich review

TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:40, 15 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that although nobody died in the 1984 Southland floods (pictured), about 12 thousand sheep perished?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kazansky District, Petrograd

―Panamitsu (talk) 06:04, 14 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the first publication of prolific author Israel Ta-Shma, a scholar of Talmud, was a 1960 Jewish songbook for the Israel Defense Forces?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lova Rajaona
• Comment: His academic accomplishments are genuine but a bit hard to explain in a hook for a general audience. Of course, I will write ALT hooks if desired.

ProfGray (talk) 18:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that a reviewer wrote that Chrystal's 2017 single "Waves" "contains the best opening line we've heard all year"? Source: https://i-d.co/article/girl-from-the-north-country-singerproducer-chrystal-is-putting-her-northern-donk-on-pop/
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Eating Out 2: Sloppy Seconds
  • Comment: At time of writing, her single "The Days" is at number 55 in the UK singles chart. It is not currently notable, but if it becomes such I will add it to the nomination.

Launchballer 17:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that David Bookbinder was Margaret Thatcher's "least favourite local government leader"?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1983 Spanish floods

Dumelow (talk) 12:51, 13 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that traditional dish from Faroe Islands is Garnatálg this sheep meat made in sheep fat?

• Reviewed:
• Comment: Hello!

WhoWorldLive (talk) 12:46, 13 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Hi WhoWorldLive, thanks for your nomination. Unfortunately it doesn't look to currently be eligible for DYK. Per our guidelines the article must be newly created, recently expanded (by at least 5x in length) or recently promoted to WP:Good Article status. This article was created in 2008 and has not been recently expanded. It is also currently below our minimum article length of 1,500 characters (it stands at around 400 characters currently). The image is OK and freely licensed. Per WP:NEWSWEEK you may wish to replace that source. I have tagged a couple of sentences not supported by the current citation. Let me know if you are going to work on the article some more; we generally allow a bit of time for this to happen without closing the nomination. All the best - Dumelow (talk) 13:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Mother Solomon returned to Ohio 22 years after the Indian Removal Act forced Wyandots into Kansas?

• Reviewed:

Averageuntitleduser (talk) 00:59, 21 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Hudson's Bay Company ships reserved special rooms for important Lower Chehalis visitors due to their key role in regional trade networks?

• Reviewed:

PersusjCP (talk) 17:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• QPQ in progress. Template:Did you know nominations/Bob Hobman. PersusjCP (talk) 17:55, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Upper Chehalis people adopted horses widely after their introduction, becoming known as "equestrian" compared to their neighbors?

• • Reviewed:
  • Comment: Still have to do qpq when I get a sec. QPQ in progress:Template:Did you know nominations/Saybrook Colony.

PersusjCP (talk) 16:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Sehome was an incorporated town for only three years? Source: Bellingham Herald
  • Reviewed: Sams Creek (New Zealand)
  • Comment: Expanded as part of the Unreferenced articles backlog drive. More hooks at a later date.

SounderBruce 06:27, 15 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• @SounderBruce: A QPQ is required, or this may be closed as incomplete. Z1720 (talk) 16:17, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the oldest surviving wooden lightship, dating to 1840, is now an Airbnb?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Al LeBoeuf

Dumelow (talk) 21:16, 14 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that The Last Dance became the Hong Kong film with the highest opening day gross in history in November 2024?

• ALT1: ... that The Last Dance was filmed at the Tung Wah Coffin Home, marking the first time the coffin depository has been opened for filming? Source: ^[2]
• ALT2: ... that actress Michelle Wai learned to perform a Taoist funeral ritual to prepare for her role in The Last Dance, a ritual traditionally performed only by men? Source: ^[3]
• ALT3: ... that the director-screenwriter created The Last Dance, a funeral-themed story, after the death of his grandmother? Source: ^[4]
• ALT4: ... that singer-songwriter Terence Lam made his film scoring debut with the 2024 film The Last Dance? Source: ^[5]
• ALT5: ... that The Last Dance surpassed A Guilty Conscience to become the fastest Hong Kong film to gross HKD$10 million, with both films starring Dayo Wong? Source: ^[6]
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Trisha Stafford-Odom

Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 15:51, 14 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that according to an acting United States attorney, Operation Blooming Onion uncovered instances of "modern-day slavery" amongst H-2A visa workers in Georgia?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Retelling

JJonahJackalope (talk) 21:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Moses sees Rabbi Akiva (Menachot 29b) martyred, and his body consumed, in a Talmud story that is compared to the transfiguration of Jesus?

• ALT1: ... that Biblical and post-Biblical characters rarely meet in Talmudic stories, as when Moses sees Rabbi Aviva teach and be martyred? Source: Jeffrey Rubenstein, Stories of the Babylonian Talmud (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press, 2010), 182–20. "I know of no other story that bridges the typically impermeable break between the time of the bible and the time of the sages ...." In 2002, Rubenstein said, "The juxtaposition of these two characters violates the typically strict separation between the biblical and post-biblical times."
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Oliver Hutchinson
• Comment: This is a fictional work (story), so DYK facts are about the story's features or interpretation. Another hook: it can be seen as a "failed theodicy" since God tells Moses to be silent in the face of Akiva's torture. But the hook idea is hard to articulate within the time we have.

ProfGray (talk) 20:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that retelling of classic tales is a common occurrence? Source: https://researchers.mq.edu.au/en/publications/retelling-stories-across-time-and-cultures
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kim Ju-ae

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:38, 18 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting: - no

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Overall, the article meets all the criteria for warranting a DYK blurb, and QPQ has been satisfied, but I'm concerned that your proposed hook, in my opinion, doesn't seem that interesting or attention-grabbing. Do you think there's something else interesting you could bring up about retelling aside from how common it is? JJonahJackalope (talk) 21:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Arne Slettebak revitalised interest in the field of stellar rotation after it had been abandoned for nearly 15 years?

• Reviewed:

Sgubaldo (talk) 01:29, 17 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the creator of The Americans, Joe Weisberg, drew inspiration for the show from his time as a CIA officer and the 2010 Russian spy scandal known as the Illegals Program?

• Reviewed:
• Comment: Helped get this to GA status and feel this would be a good DYK from the article.

Ktkvtsh (talk) 02:33, 16 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that reading Hermann Weyl's Gruppentheorie und Quantenmechanik has been said to be like watching "a smiling figure on horseback" wielding "a swift bright sword"?

• ALT1: ... that in his book Gruppentheorie und Quantenmechanik, Hermann Weyl worried about a "crisis in quantum physics" that the discovery of antimatter would resolve? Source: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/weyl/
• Reviewed:

XOR'easter (talk) 00:23, 16 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that members of the Trade Union Opposition Federation stormed the Copenhagen Stock Exchange?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ethel Preston memorial

Grnrchst (talk) 15:55, 15 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that an inscription from 243 AD for a leader of the marzēaḥ ends with blesses for his sons, the scribe, the person in charge of the cooking, the cupbearer and other assistants?

• ALT1: ... that therelationship between the marzēaḥ and veneration of the dead is still debated among scholars, due to sporadic literary evidence?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by TNM101 (talk • contribs) 17:51, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Reviewed:

TNM101 (chat) 07:21, 17 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the energy executive Chris Wright once drank fracking fluid to prove it was not dangerous?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bea Hines

elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 23:11, 16 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I'll be taking this. :)

General eligibility:

• New enough:
• Long enough:
• Other problems: - Linkedin is used twice as a source, and should probably be removed. The "expansion" tag also needs to be dealt with.

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: See above, after those are addressed I can approve. E_F⁵ 20:09, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging nominator, @ElijahPepe:. E_F⁵ 20:09, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that war correspondent Bernard Gray was killed while travelling as an unofficial passenger aboard a Royal Navy submarine during the Second World War?

• ALT1: ... that during the 1940 German invasion of Belgium Bernard Gray reported from Brussels alongside Kim Philby, later revealed to be a Soviet spy? Source: "Bernard Gray of London's Sunday Pictorial managed to get into Brussels on May 15 with Harold 'Kim' Philby of The Times, who would years later be revealed to have been a Soviet agent since 1934." from: Moseley, Ray (21 February 2017). Reporting War: How Foreign Correspondents Risked Capture, Torture and Death to Cover World War II. Yale University Press. p. 7. ISBN 978-0-300-22634-8.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Campo Valdés Roman baths

Dumelow (talk) 23:07, 16 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that in 2018, "the world's loneliest duck" arrived on the remote Pacific island country of Niue, hundreds of kilometers from fresh water and any other duck?

• ALT1: ... that Trevor the mallard was named after Trevor Mallard? Source: "The duck — which appeared earlier this year — is widely known as 'Trevor', after New Zealand's speaker of the House of Representatives, Trevor Mallard." ABC News
• ALT2: ... that political scientists use the naming of a lost duck as an example of diplomatic relations? Source: "Outside of diasporic ties, [pacific island countries] and communities also strategically establish close relationships with elites in partner states using cultural and traditional practices. ... In a less obligatory manner, Niue named their only duck Trevor, after then- New Zealand Speaker of the House of Representatives Trevor Mallard" Futaisi et al (2024), pp. 12–13
• Reviewed:

Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 02:34, 16 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• What about something that plays on the naming, like that "a mallard named Trevor was named for Trevor Mallard?" There might be a more fun / deliberately ambiguous way to word this, but I can't think of it. Upjav (talk) 19:01, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:DYKTRIM, I suggest ALT0a: ... that "the world's loneliest duck" arrived on the remote Pacific island country of Niue in 2018?--Launchballer 16:29, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I will review this. TompaDompa (talk) 02:57, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - See below.
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - ALT1 meets the sourcing requirements. The other proposed hooks do not.
• Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Article moved to mainspace on 16 November, and (barely) meets the length requirement. There are no obvious neutrality issues. Earwig reveals no copyvio, and I didn't spot any instances of unacceptable WP:Close paraphrasing. All of the proposed hooks are interesting; I have no strong preference between them. ALT0 and ALT0a need proper sourcing for "the world's loneliest duck" in the article (see below). ALT0 additionally needs "hundreds of kilometers from fresh water and any other duck" to be properly sourced in the article per WP:DYKHFC. ALT1 is adequately sourced. ALT2 is not mentioned in the article at all. This is the nominator's fifth DYK nomination (after Template:Did you know nominations/Seed oil misinformation, Template:Did you know nominations/Conspiracy theories about the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season, Template:Did you know nominations/Sheetz–Wawa rivalry, and Template:Did you know nominations/Charles de Gaulle's trip to South America), so they are QPQ exempt; it would have been the co-nominator's sixth (after Template:Did you know nominations/Tamakautoga, Template:Did you know nominations/Texas Reliability Entity, Template:Did you know nominations/Hunuki Hunukitama, Template:Did you know nominations/Narita Viliamu Tahega, and Template:Did you know nominations/18th Niue Assembly). Some comments on the content:

• Trevor began receiving media attention when The New Zealand Herald journalist Claire Trevett encountered the duck on a visit to Niue in September 2018 and reported on his appearance – this cites Trevett's own article, i.e. the WP:PRIMARYSOURCE. That's not ideal—how can we now that this was when the media attention began? Furthermore, while the article is from 5 September 2018, Trevett only specifies that the visit to Niue was "recently" which could be late August rather than September.
• as the distances from Australia and New Zealand are too great for the duck to have flown under his own effort – the cited source only says this about New Zealand, not Australia.
• Hundreds of miles from any known duck habitat and without a mate, he was known as "the world's loneliest duck" – the cited source does not state the distance to the nearest duck habitat (it only says "there are no ducks on Niue") and does not support the designation as "the world's loneliest duck" as headlines are not considered reliable sources per WP:HEADLINES.
• Trevor lived in a roadside puddle as a local celebrity, which was refilled by the Niue Fire Service and locals when it began to dry out. – the cited source only mentions the fire service refilling the puddle (locals are mentioned feeding the duck, but not refilling the puddle).
• whyevolutionistrue.com appears to be a blog. What makes it a WP:Reliable source for the information it is used to support here?
• speaker of the New Zealand Parliament – not a DYK requirement, but it would make more sense to link Speaker of the New Zealand House of Representatives.
• Niue received condolences from around the world, including from his namesake politician and media outlets including [...] – I don't think it's quite accurate to say that the media outlets gave their condolences. I would just say that they reported on the death.

Ping nominator Dan Leonard and co-nominator Upjav. TompaDompa (talk) 23:03, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab's claimed photo circulated online is actually Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab Al Faihani?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab Al Faihani

Faldi00 (talk) 19:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that serial killer Raul Meza Jr. began using drugs at age eight?

• Reviewed:

Swinub★ 04:18, 18 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that The "Sausages"' first sausage was filled with 3 courses and an espresso? Source: https://visrecepten.nl/vijf-vragen-aan-hugo-kennis
  • ALT1: ... that The "Sausages of Babel" studied musical theatre and graphic design? Source: https://bron.fontys.nl/tv-kok-hugo-kennis-fontys-hardste-leerschool-ooit/ https://oldschool.rietveldacademie.nl/project/the-cave-at-amstel-41-saturday-8-june https://www.kabk.nl/alumni/bachelor-grafisch-ontwerpen/2011-2020 (2015)
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/MrBeast Lab

Bogger (talk) 00:11, 18 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the Communist literary critic Qian Xingcun had a feud with Mao?

• ALT1: ... that the literary critic Qian Xingcun brought several Communist writers into the Shanghai film industry? Source: *Xiao, Zhiwei (1998). "Ah Ying". In Zhang, Yingjin; Xiao, Zhiwei (eds.). Encyclopedia of Chinese Film. New York, London: Routledge. p. 79. ISBN 978-0-415-15168-9.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Phoebe Plummer (3 of 4)

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:41, 17 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that vitamin E acetate, used as a thickening agent in illicit, non-tobacco, vaping cartridges, is suspected as being a cause of lung injury?

ALT1: ... that Vitamin E was named "tocopherol" from the Greek words "tókos" and "phérein" meaning to birth and to bear or carry, as the compound was initially identified as being essential for live births in rats.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bob Gandey
• Comment:

David notMD (talk) 14:28, 20 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that entitativity is why some groups feel more “groupy” than others?

• Reviewed:

Andrea Low (talk) 08:54, 20 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that a South Korean actor sold off his belongings and went $7 million into debt in order to keep his amusement park running? Source: [45]
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Murder of Wang Lianying
  • Comment: I had a previous account (User:toobigtokale) that I retired per WP:RTV that had more than 5 noms, idr if I had any QPQs needed. So just reviewing an article now anyway

seefooddiet (talk) 22:11, 19 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Marie-Thérèse Eyquem served in the government of Vichy France and was the first woman appointed as a national secretary of the French Socialist Party?

• Reviewed: n/a

– dudhhr ^talk_contribs^she_her 22:07, 18 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Murad Al-Katib provided 700 million meals of Saskatchewan-grown chickpeas, lentils and wheat to a United Nations program for Syrian refugees?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Diana Edwards-Jones

Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 17:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

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