Talk:Characters of Henry Danger and Danger Force

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Cooper Barnes's name is not Cooper Barnes it is Nicholas Cooper Barnes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:7189:C300:F873:24FC:8B28:D2C6 (talk) 11:56, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Piging: Geraldo Perez Amaury Rtkat3 IJBall I am currently working on Draft:List of Danger Force characters to go into more depth with the Danger Force characters. However, while creating the article several of the characters are the same from Henry Danger and Danger Force. While all is welcome to edit to the draft, is it maybe appropriate that we include sections for the characters on this page instead of having a separate Danger Force page and just direct everyone here? What are some thooughts or ideas on this? The show is entering it's third season and it seems appropriate to expand the Danger Force character bio's a bit. Magical Golden Whip (talk) 23:11, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OK, first, you can't start a WP:PROSPLIT discussion, and then within two days carry out the split. Second, I would oppose a separate List of characters (LoC) – List of Danger Force characters – article for this topic for several reasons, first among them that the content at Danger Force does not justify it.

That said, I might support adding some of the content from Draft:List of Danger Force characters to this article, and then moving this article to List of Henry Danger and Danger Force characters, as both shows share a lot of the same characters in common. See: List of The Good Wife and The Good Fight characters (though this is a bad example in some respects, as it is not a proper LoC article) – the idea there, that two closely related shows should share the same LoC article, is directly applicable in this case. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:45, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BRD applies here. The Henry Danger character list makes sense since all the characters there are original and were introduced in the series. As such, a WP:BOLD split was done, and there were no objections to the split, so it remained. The issue here is that, not including the main characters—although even they're from Henry Danger—there are no original Danger Force characters. Pretty much all of the significant characters are from Henry Danger. In other words, we don't have enough significant original characters introduced in Danger Force alone that warrant a character list split. You bold split was reverted, and at that point, it was time to discuss, which I will grant you are doing now, instead of reverting. Amaury • 22:50, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes – as you say, Danger Force's characters aren't really original. They belong at this article, not at a separate article (which would be mostly redundant to this article, and isn't justified under WP:SIZESPLIT). The question then becomes, should we then move this article to List of Henry Danger and Danger Force characters if we add the Danger Force characters here (which I would support) – I would advise holding a WP:RM question on that discussion when the time is right. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:01, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, no one was responding and didn't really know how much time to give as someone told me 12 days was too long, so I didn't know how much time to give it. I kinda did think it would be better to include the Danger Force characters here as many of the Henry Danger characters appear on the show. The only characters that could be included would be Archduke Fernando, Krampus, Lil' Dynomite, Monsieur Man, Officer Walnut, and Deuce Van Nuys as those characters have had major plots and would maybe justify a page just for Danger Force. In my opinion it seemed the page would be too long at that point. I do think if we did include Danger Force the page would have to be renamed. Magical Golden Whip (talk) 23:57, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In a closely shared universe like this, the best option is to use one list. Otherwise, you end up with lots of incomplete and/or duplicate character descriptions. We could either change it to List of Henry Danger and Danger Force characters. Or preferably, something like List of Dangerverse characters... like we do with Arrowverse and Buffyverse lists. The pros of using Dangerverse is that it would work if they made another spin-off or movie and it's also shorter; the cons are that the name "Dangerverse" isn't that frequently used. — Starforce¹³ 01:23, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No use of something like "Dangerverse", unless lots of WP:RSs use the term – they only got away with that with "Arrowverse" because sources did predominantly refer to it that way. (If they hadn't, I would have led the charge against using it on Wikipedia!...) No sources that I'm aware of use "Dangerverse", so the correct call would be List of Henry Danger and Danger Force characters as per the List of The Good Wife and The Good Fight characters example. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Variety uses Dangerverse here (spelled as "Danger-verse"). Nickelodeon uses it often on official socials and promos and even made a documentary called "Behind the Dangerverse". But, yes, the term is not used enough to qualify as a common name. — Starforce¹³ 04:59, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dangerverse is really only used by Nick or Henry Dangerforce Twitter and Instagram along with Mike Caron's instagram. Not too many sources use it, so List of Henry Danger and Danger Force characters is most realistic. Magical Golden Whip (talk) 18:50, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I too support the merger. The information in the intro also mentioned any character in the spin-offs like The Adventures of Kid Danger and Danger Force. We already know that the shows exist in the same universe that was mentioned above. Of course we will have to sort the villains like I once did before it got reverted. --Rtkat3 (talk) 20:00, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Of course we will have to sort the villains like I once did before it got reverted." Yeah, uh, why?! That is absolutely not how the article should be organized (in addition to basically being WP:ORish).

In fact, that is one of the things we have to discuss now – how to organize this list?... I think I might suggest a "both shows" section (The Adventures of Kid Danger is simply a minor offshoot of Henry Danger and doesn't need to be dealt with separately) – but what do we title it? – with 'Main' and 'Recurring' subsections. And then sections on just Henry Danger characters (with Main, Recurring, and Guest subsections), and then the same for Danger Force.

Anyone have any issue with this proposal? --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:09, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If we break them by show, we still run into that issue where we end up with duplicate character entries for shared characters... or the Danger Force sections will be almost empty if we put the shared characters' bios under Henry Danger section. So, I think it should be shared Main/Recurring/Guest sections without breaking them by show. And then in the character description, we could mention what shows they appear and in what capacity.— Starforce¹³ 00:35, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree that that would be the case – the "both shows" section would have Captain Man and Schwoz, and maybe Henry(?) as 'Main', and some of the villains as 'Recurring'. The Henry Danger section would still have Charlotte and Jasper, and maybe Henry here too (his guest stints on Danger Force could be mentioned there – probably makes more sense this way...), and most of the recurring and guest characters. Danger Force section could have the four youths as 'Main' (let's face it – their appearances in Henry Danger were pure set-up for the spinoff show, and their starring in DF is certainly "primary" over the guest appearances on HD!), and then a few new recurring and guest stars... I think just lumping both shows together is a mistake. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:08, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My bad, I missed the part about the "both shows" section. Yes, if we have a section that covers shared characters, I like that.— Starforce¹³ 18:59, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Now we just need a title for the "both shows" section – I think 'Both series' as a section title is clunky. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:54, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Another approach to consider might be changing the article to Characters of Henry Danger and Danger Force (e.g. Characters of Carnivàle)... Explicitly dumping the "List of..." part might allow more latitude to just talk about the characters themselves, and in each character summary mention which series they appeared on, and in what capacity... Just another idea to mull over. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:10, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Article has now been moved to Characters of Henry Danger and Danger Force – I personally have no objection to this: it's as good a solution here as any. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:30, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone have an objection to removing the list of Characters the Danger Force main page as most is listed here already expect the main characters? I am looking into the reason why they were taken out before. Magical Golden Whip (talk) 18:43, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I would not remove the "main" characters (or their summaries) from Danger Force#Cast and characters. Now, the 'Recurring' and 'Guest' characters can arguably be removed from Danger Force at this point (or at least reduced to a simple "list" without character summaries) – I'm neutral on that question. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:57, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That is what I meant, removing 'Recurring' and 'Guest' characters sections. ThanksMagical Golden Whip (talk) 20:22, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Except you also removed the main cast character summaries, which I explicitly said not to do above. I have restored them – it's useful to have basic character summaries at the main article as well, esp. with IPs' obsessions of adding the "superhero" names. Leaving the summaries removes that temptation. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:50, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I guess I misread it than as you mentioned without summaries. Thanks. I added character summaries for Henry Danger as I always wondered why that was removed. Magical Golden Whip (talk) 23:57, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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