Talk:Lemon drop (candy)

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The result of the move request was: not moved Armbrust, B.Ed. ^{Let's talk}_{about my edits?} 08:01, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lemon drop → Lemon Drop (candy) –

• Spelling too indistictive from Lemon Drop, disambiguation. George Ho (talk) 00:16, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Don't see why "Drop" should be capitalised. Also, I think this would benefit from a full discussion; sometimes capitalisation is considered enough to differentiate (e.g. Red Meat v Red meat) and the candy could arguably be the primary topic anyway (it's certainly the only "lemon drop" I've heard of). Jenks24 (talk) 04:30, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Have done a requested move of "Red Meat". By the way, too hard to distinct nowadays by lazy typewriting. Sometimes, nobody bothered to click the AutoSearch functions. "red meat" or "Red Meat"; same goes for "Lemon Drop" or "Lemon drop"... guess I'll make a request there after this discussion is finished. --George Ho (talk) 12:07, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes, but that doesn't explain why you think this article should be capitalised (as Orlady says, it's a generic name) or why you you don't think the candy is the primary topic (e.g. Lemon Drop could be moved to Lemon Drop (disambiguation) instead). Jenks24 (talk) 08:38, 24 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose why would it be capitalized? And this seems to he primary. 70.24.251.71 (talk) 08:54, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - This is a generic name for a type of candy. It should not be capitalized as if it were a proper noun. --Orlady (talk) 18:48, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose; further, Lemon Drop should be moved to Lemon Drop (disambiguation) for clarity. Powers ^T 19:38, 24 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: Consensus is to Disambiguate (i.e. The 1st proposed move is Not moved, the 2nd is Moved and to move Lemon drop (disambiguation) to Lemon drop. (non-admin closure) Iffy★Chat -- 15:15, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Lemon drop (candy) → Lemon drop
• lemon drop → Lemon drop (cocktail)

– In my opinion the candy is the primary topic, not the cocktail, especially as "drops" are a type of candy. The article lemon drop even mentions the cocktail was named after the candy, so the candy came first. JIP | Talk 14:55, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose, the drink has significantly more page views. Would make a DAB at base name.--Ortizesp (talk) 17:32, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Disambiguate (per discussion) per troubles melt like lemon drops. And per long-term significance. Randy Kryn (talk) 19:45, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Disambiguate as a compromise given as noted the cocktail gets more views in addition to the fact (like Boston) they appear to be quite distinct topics that DABCONCEPT doesn't likely apply. Also per User:Andrewa/Incoming links given the problems with PT swaps. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:55, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose 1st, support 2nd - Disambiguate all, and move Lemon drop (disambiguation) to primary. -- Netoholic @ 02:33, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Disambiguate - I agree with a couple others that this article should remain "Lemon drop (candy)" but the other should be renamed to "Lemon drop (cocktail)" so that "Lemon drop" can become a disambiguation page. However, since that means not moving/renaming this page and instead renaming another page, it would be more appropriate to post a request to move over at the Lemon drop talk page instead. --TheSameGuy (talk) 02:46, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per WP:PRIMARYUSAGE and WP:TWODABS. There are only two articles on WP titled "lemon drop" and the cocktail gets over 12x the pageviews of the candy. The current setup, with an added hatnote on the cocktail pointing directly to the candy, works best for most readers. Station1 (talk) 08:22, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I suppose if there are two articles called "ArticleName" and "ArticleName (Specifier)", the page views of the first one are bound to be higher, because the name is easier to search for, and the user probably won't even know the second one exists without looking at the first one. JIP | Talk 15:58, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • That would only be an issue where the pageviews for the two articles are relatively close. Due to google, wikilinks and the dropdown menu on our internal search engine, roughly 94%-98% of readers get to the article they want on the first try, no matter what it's titled. In this particular case, because the gap in pageviews is so huge, even if we assumed every single reader, without exception, who landed on Lemon drop (candy) mistakenly landed on the cocktail's article first, that would only mean that the cocktail had 11 times the views of the candy rather than 12 times. Station1 (talk) 17:09, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Disambiguate (Oppose 1st, support 2nd) per discussion above, and move Lemon drop (disambiguation) to primary. Paintspot Infez (talk) 17:29, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: It feels like the consensus is going to be moving lemon drop (disambiguation) to lemon drop and moving lemon drop to lemon drop (cocktail). JIP | Talk 23:16, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Disambiguate (Oppose 1st, support 2nd) per above discussion._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 05:03, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. The sweet is the clear primary topic in terms of significance, pageviews notwithstanding. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:26, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Disambiguate. Normally the difference in pageviews would be sufficient to declare the cocktail the primary topic, but there are two issues with that argument: 1) comparing an article at a base page vs. a parenthetically disambiguated title is always going to have incumbency bias, the extent of which is hard to quantify; and 2) this fails the WP:ASTONISH test, much like if you saw an article on Apple Inc. at Apple. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 22:00, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• 'Oppose and disambiguate – to me, based on the comments, disambiguation would be the best solution because both the beverage and candy have high priority, so there is no primary topic. cookie monster (2020) 755 22:10, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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