Talk:Hurricane Gordon/Archive 1

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I know this puts bad news on someone, but I do hope the name Gordon is retired in 2006...let's get it out of their misery, even if it does far less devastation than in 1994! CrazyC83 23:10, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Retire it commemoratively. The WMO need to take some legitimate heat for their idiocy. They need to redeem themselves.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 18:20, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

While Hurricane Gordon could certainly be included in the subject of Haiti's tragic hurricane history, I dont believe that it should be included in the Hurricane Gordon article as it does not directly relate to information on Hurricane Gordon. Perhaps this would be better noted on Haiti's Wikipedia page. I have updated the topic to more accurately reflect the devastation in Haiti that was caused by Hurricane Gordon, and removed the specific references to the other storms. (10/10/2005) Fumetsu

Agreed

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 22:38, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

A number of meteorologists believe that the system that ejected out of the Caribbean into the southwest Atlantic and the subtropical cyclone that formed in the Florida Straits were two different systems; both are currently considered one system named Gordon. There was a brief time period where one could follow the two different low centers. Just an FYI, in case it is ever decided to split the track of Gordon into two separate tracks in the next decade during the hurricane re-analysis. Thegreatdr 17:25, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Very interesting. Yea, looking at satellite images, it looks like Gordon 1 dissipated near Cuba while Gordon 2 was developing. Time will tell, and that would be cool if that happened. I'm always for getting more storms in a season after the fact. Hurricanehink (talk) 20:15, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Based on my observations using the GIBBS imagry, it appears that Gordon was one storm. At one point north of Cuba, it does appear as though the system has two LLCCs. However, looking farther back, there doesn't seem to be any other systems active in the southwestern Atlantic until Gordon gets there. Once Gordon gets there, it seems to interact with a trough moving off the east coast of the United States. That trough shows up quite clearly in this reverse infrared image as that smaller black mass off the Carolinas north of Gordon's outer bands. Gordon had a broad circulation as it was and when it hit Cuba, weakened, and interated with that trough [1], the circulation became elongated from the northeast to the southwest [2]. This caused the storm to appear as though it had two centers. When the trough became less of an influence [3], Gordon's circulation consolidated [4]. That is my hypothesis, based on my analysis of the satellite imagry. -- §HurricaneERIC§ archive 22:34, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I added a GIBBS image to replace the other, really close up one. I know, GIBBS isn't exactly the best, but at least you can see the whole storm and get an idea on where it's at. If you have a problem with it, just revert it. ;)→Cyclone1→ 19:01, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Where did that close-up, NASA pic go? That was the best one we had. -- §HurricaneERIC§ archive 00:56, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Uhh... I posted above saying where I took it off. It was waaaaaay too close, so I posted a new GIBBS image. Now, my pic has been replaced with a color image (which personally can't compare to either of the previous pics.) So, that's where it went. Feel free to put it back in the article. →Cyclone1→ 22:34, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hurricane Gordon (1994)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Yellow Evan (talk · contribs) 16:54, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

• "southwestern Caribbean on November 8 after two tropical waves enhanced convection around in area of disturbed weather." I'd change "in" to "an" since "around in" sounds weird. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 16:54, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Yea, I barely touched the lede, my bad. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
    • Happens to me all the time don't worry. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane}
• "dissipated by the next day over South Carolina." no need for by. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 16:54, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Kk. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
• A few of the sentences in the lead could be better. " When Gordon affected Jamaica, it caused $11.8 million in damage and four deaths." to " Upon affecting Jamaica, it was responsible $11.8 million in damage and four deaths." YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 16:54, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
  • That works. Originally that sentence was longer, but I changed it due to using similar wording later on. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
• "There were 1,122 deaths in the country, partially due to deforested hills, and damage was estimated at $50 million. There were five deaths in neighboring Dominican Republic. In Cuba, Gordon caused $100 million in damage, and 5,906 houses were damaged or destroyed. " you start back to back sentences with there, kinda weird IMO. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 16:54, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Changed. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
• "In Florida, the storm caused $400 million in damage, much of it agricultural, and there were eleven deaths, eight of them direct" infobox those not mention any indirect deaths. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane}
  • Added, good catch. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
• "on November 10 it intensified into Tropical Storm Gordon after reaching open waters. " comma after 10. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 16:54, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
  • I disagree, not needed. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
• "The circulation of the cyclone was initially very broad, covering much of the western Caribbean Sea," wikilink "circulation" to atmospheric circulation. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 16:54, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
  • KK. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
• "From surface synoptic reports, the National Hurricane Center " wikilink NHC plz. Than you. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 16:54, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Done. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
• "and by November 14 " comma after 14. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane}
  • Ehh. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
• "Shortly thereafter i" comma before "it". YE ^{Pacific Hurricane}
  • KK. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
• "On November 19, the storm turned to the southwest and later to the west, and Gordon weakened into a tropical depression before striking Florida again near Cape Canaveral on November 20. " I'd break up this sentence; it is a little long IMO. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 16:54, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Done. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
• "n the mainland, two universities were also closed.[12]" which two?
  • Eh, is it that notable? They are included in the newspaper article, but I thought it was kinda trivial. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
    • I think so, universities I'd say are fairly important, there areas large as decent sized cities in some cases. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 02:41, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
      • Alright, added. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:35, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
• "The high death toll from Gordon made it the deadliest hurricane since Hurricane David in 1979," mention it was the ATL. Also, just noticed the the EPAC had a near 3,00 dead storm during that time. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 16:54, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Good catch. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
• "In Upala in" comma before "in". YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 16:54, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
  • No, read the whole sentence. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
• "At Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, a station recorded 69 mph (111 km/h) sustained winds, with gusts to 120 mph (190 km/h) during a microburst; the winds were not representative of the storm, and Gordon's landfall intensity was estimated at around 46 mph (74 km/h).[1] " I'd squeeze a "however" in here somewhere. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 16:54, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Meh, it's pretty long as it is. I split it. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
    • Yea, I was going to suggest that, but I did not want to give you too many comments. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 02:41, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

More at 22 UTC tonight. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 16:54, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

• "was halted after the engine failed, the anchor was ripped off, and the mainstay was torn.[44] " shouldn't there be a semicolon after "failed" not a comma. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 21:06, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
  • No, it's a combination of events. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
• "Aftermath and lack of retirement". Why is the words "lack of retirement" in the section header? YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 21:06, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
  • That's a pretty significant thing that didn't happen, given the death toll. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
• How come we have a 1 sentence aftermath in the lead? YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 22:45, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
  • What do you mean? --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
    • Why do we have a 1 sentence paragraph in the aftermath? YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 02:41, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
      • We don't. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:35, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
• When is Gordon used again? YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 22:45, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
  • That's trivia. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
    • Agreed, thought we include it for retired storms. 02:41, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
• " In response, agencies through the United Nations donated $735,000," wording just does not seem right here, I'd change it to " In response, agencies donated $735,000 via the United Nations". YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 21:06, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
  • What's the diference? Via versus through? Via implies something different. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
• "The World Meteorological Organization issued an official statement crediting Jamaica and Cuba's warning infrastructure for the low loss of life there from Gordon, and blaming Haiti's lack of such a system for the large number of deaths there.[49]" move this to the end of the paragraph. IMO just weird here, the next sentence is a good paragraph opener, just no this one. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 21:06, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
  • That works! --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
• Add the FL canes list to the see also. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 21:06, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Sure. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
• Refs 4-6 need first names. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 02:41, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Done. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:35, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
• Ref 29 author should be consistent to the rest. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 02:41, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Done. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:35, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
• M staff writer and get a real publisher for Ref 43. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane}
  • K. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:35, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
• Ref 49 needs to be complete, make the dates consistent and add an accessdate. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 02:41, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Done. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:35, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Good article. More info should be merged into the haiti section from the impact section. Also, references are needed. Jdorje 21:22, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I dropped it to start class. I don't think it's quite organized enough yet. Hurricanehink 18:24, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

That's because our standards are going up! This was B-class when I first assessed it. But I don't disagree with Start-class. — jdorje (talk) 05:18, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

True, and it's always good when standards go up. Hurricanehink 00:47, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Way too much is needed for the article for this to be considered C-class: impact? preps? aftermath? ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 06:39, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Preparations is the most glaring omission from this article. Once that is added, it should have enough of the correct structure for a C class article. An impact section already exists, even if it is not as long as some might like. Thegreatdr (talk) 18:01, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Preparations and aftermath, at the least, are needed for C-Class. Anything higher definitely needs a substantially expanded impact section. The MH looks good, though. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 18:03, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

If someone is looking to expand upon the article information-wise, there are rainfall totals listed on a few HPC rainfall pages related to the system. I just uploaded a more current version of the rainfall graphic to commons. Thegreatdr (talk) 18:06, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

More everything!. Storm05 18:03, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Link --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:52, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

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Alright, so this has been bothering me for a while, and I'm sorry, but I just had to bring this up. If Hurricane Gert and Hurricane Karl are primary topics, then why isn't Gordon? Like Gert and Karl, whose reasoning for primary topics were that they were the most significant storms of their name, this Gordon is the most significant storm of its name (yes, there is Gordon 2006, but it was not even a tropical cyclone when it struck Europe, and its impacts were far less significant). Additionally, Gordon has its own meteorological history page, and is the only non-primary topic to have so due to its interesting meteorological history (which is another reason why it could be moved). It's been nearly twelve years, and despite the fact that its by far the most significant Gordon, it still has the year attached. It might finally be time to take off the year. Cooper 14:40, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

@Cyclonebiskit: @Jasper Deng: @Jason Rees: @MarioProtIV: What do you all think?

Have a look at the two Requested Moves above for why it hasn't been moved yet, the main argument seems to be about Gordon's impact on Europe.Jason Rees (talk) 23:01, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Which I understand, but it seems that Gordon's impact on Europe is far less significant than that on Haiti (Gordon was extratropical by the time it reached Europe anyways) Cooper 23:35, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

I am personally open to it being moved but you will need to go through another requested move. However, the fact that it was extratropical means nothing especially these days, as the names are still used and can be retired because of their impacts.Jason Rees (talk) 23:54, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, that's true now that I look at it. For example Sandy, which wasn't tropical during its New Jersey landfall. Will probably wait a while to do another move request, as I feel I've done too many. Cooper 02:23, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Gordon 06 is significant on its own though to readers in Europe. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 01:22, 26 April 2018 (UTC)