Talk:Homo Deus: A Brief History of Tomorrow

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The result of the move request was: Consensus not to move, therefore, not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 19:19, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Homo Deus: A Brief History of Tomorrow → Homo Deus – Per WP:SUBTITLE. (The proposed title already serves as a redirect.) 142.160.89.97 (talk) 03:03, 9 September 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 22:14, 17 September 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 20:43, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Hhkohh (talk) 03:12, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose Seems like a common name Hhkohh (talk) 03:12, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Hhkohh: How do you reconcile your position with our book-specific guideline, WP:SUBTITLE, which states:

Usually, a Wikipedia article on a book (or other medium, such as a movie, TV special or video game) does not include its subtitle in the Wikipedia page name, per WP:CONCISE. The only exception to that is short article titles, for disambiguation purposes.

142.160.89.97 (talk) 03:19, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SUBTITLE is not a policy, just a guideline, see also WP:COMMONNAME and other related policy Hhkohh (talk) 09:58, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, policy triumphs over guideline but in cases where policy isn't necessary, guideline can and should be used. The subpolicy has no relevance here as both the titles are used and since the short title is a subset of the full name, it may not be feasible to accurately determine if there is a WP:COMMONNAME. Flooded with them hundreds 05:23, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Support I see no issue with the requested move, and it abides by the given guideline. -- Alex^TW 03:35, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - this one seems fair enough.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:08, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose cited guideline does not apply as disambiguation and long title are clearly beneficial to readers here, and in cases without (book) WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT works for short titles. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:25, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Are there any other topics discussed on Wikipedia that would be arguable candidates for the phrase "Homo Deus"? —BarrelProof (talk) 18:08, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's more the issue that this book isn't commonly known by the short title. But FWIW there are several other books including a book by Félicien Champsaur 1923, though a list of his works been missing from the en.wp article. And homo deus has other uses besides. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:19, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose—there's a redirect from the shorter version, right? Why reduce the distinctiveness of the title? Tony (talk) 10:12, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - guideline cited was based on a flawed assumption. Books and other media items are usually referred to the first time by the full long name and then for brevity, just continue using the short version. --Gonnym (talk) 21:57, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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