Talk:CaptainSparklez
![]() | CaptainSparklez is currently a Video games good article nominee. Nominated by — VORTEX3427 (Talk!) at 02:37, 10 July 2023 (UTC) An editor has indicated a willingness to review the article in accordance with the good article criteria. Further reviews are welcome from any editor who has not contributed significantly to this article (or nominated it), and can be added to the review page, but the decision whether or not to list the article as a good article should be left to the first reviewer. Short description: American YouTuber (born 1992) |
This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the CaptainSparklez article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find video game sources: "CaptainSparklez" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images · free news sources · TWL · NYT · WP reference · VG/RS · VG/RL · WPVG/Talk |
Archives: 1, 2Auto-archiving period: 365 days ![]() |
![]() | This article was nominated for deletion on 6 November 2012 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep. |
![]() | On 27 July 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Jordan Maron to CaptainSparklez. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
![]() | This article is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.
Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.
Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.
Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.
Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.
|
|
||
This page has archives. Sections older than 365 days may be automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III when more than 3 sections are present. |
Requested move 27 July 2021
The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: no consensus.
4 editors (including the proposer and AlphaBeta135) support the move, while 4 editors (including Blaze The Wolf) oppose it, so there is no consensus. An argument about WP:COMMONNAME is unlikely to result in consensus when nobody produces any evidence as to how the subject is described in RSs. (non-admin closure) Havelock Jones (talk) 08:29, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Jordan Maron → CaptainSparklez – Per WP:COMMONNAME. L33tm4n (talk) 17:03, 27 July 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. — Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 02:21, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - We don't conflate the act with the actor. We don't conflate the channel operator with the channel name. This person primarily self-identifies by full name on his social media, has won awards using his real name, and is generally presented by real name when introduced in reliable secondary sources. "CaptainSparklez" is just an alias used in specific contexts/channels, not a stagename. -- Netoholic @ 00:03, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- Seconded --Diriector_Doc├─────┤TalkContribs 05:44, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Netoholic: We do conflate the act with the actor. We do conflate the channel operator with the channel name. Almost every YouTuber primarily self-identifies by their full name on their social media, almost every YouTuber has won awards using their real name, and almost every YouTuber is generally presented by their real name when they're introduced in reliable secondary sources. "CaptainSparklez" isn't just an alias used in specific contexts/channels, it's a stagename. The first two sentences are satire, but you get what I'm saying; "CaptainSparklez" follows the WP:COMMONNAME standard. L33tm4n (talk) 03:32, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - It may or may not be true but I am pretty sure that CaptainSparklez follows the WP:COMMONNAME standard --AlphaBeta135 (talk) 17:07, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- @AlphaBeta135: Yes, it does follow the WP:COMMONNAME standard. Thank you. L33tm4n (talk) 13:56, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- Endorse - CaptainSparklez is a much more recognizable name to the public than Jordan Maron under WP:COMMONNAME, similarly to other YouTube gaming personalities like Markiplier and PewDiePie. Looking at the criteria, CaptainSparklez is recognizable to people familiar with YouTubers, natural as more people would be more inclined to search for CaptainSparklez than his real name, precise as it distinguishes him from other subjects (much more unique than "Jordan"), concise as it's just a simple compound nickname of two common words, and is consistent with other article titles (like Markiplier and PewDiePie as aforementioned). So this does fulfill all of the criteria, and more sources generally use CaptainSparklez a tad more than Jordan Maron. PantheonRadiance (talk) 05:35, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- Note: WikiProject Video games has been notified of this discussion. — Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 02:21, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Note: WikiProject Internet culture has been notified of this discussion. — Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 02:21, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Note: WikiProject Podcasting has been notified of this discussion. — Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 02:21, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Note: WikiProject YouTube has been notified of this discussion. — Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 02:21, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support per WP:COMMONNAME. — Pbrks (talk) 03:03, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose, per WP:NPOVNAME. Specifically, it seems this name would be considered a colloquialism, and thus an exception to commonname, as depicted in the provided example of "Nadya Suleman", not "Octomom". BilledMammal (talk) 23:48, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- @BilledMammal: Pretty sure “Octomom” was a nickname given to her by the media rather than an actual pseudonym Nadya created herself, just like how media outlets often give subjects honorific nicknames (like Michael Jackson as the “King of Pop”). Jordan, just like other popular YouTubers, created the name “CaptainSparklez” as a pseudonym to represent his video content.
- And anyway, would a name like CaptainSparklez really be considered too colloquial, especially in the context of YouTube personalities? While his YouTube channel name features a misspelling of the word "sparkles," at the end of the day his nickname comprises two common words, as opposed to an overly esoteric combination of words and/or letters. Compared to other YouTube channel names, CaptainSparklez is honestly a bit on the tamer side of the spectrum. At worst, I guess perhaps people would be enticed to see him as an “actual captain” rather than a YouTuber. But Dr. Disrespect isn’t an actual doctor, nor is MrBeast literally a beast... as silly as those examples may sound, those YouTubers have their articles named after their pseudonyms.
- As for the name lacking a “neutral point of view,” by that logic other Internet gaming creators like MrBeast, Dr. Disrespect, Jacksepticeye, Markiplier and others would fail WP:NPOVNAME because their pseudonyms fall under such colloquialism. Seeing as how CaptainSparklez is a gaming creator like these other personalities, comparing the titles of these articles would be appropriate and renaming the article to his channel name would be consistent under guideline #5 of WP:CRITERIA.
- And finally, more often than not when looking at reliable sources covering him, most outlets either refer to him as CaptainSparklez, or both Jordan Maron accompanied in tandem with his YouTube channel name. Very few sources mention him only as Jordan Maron, and the fact they have to clarify his name as also CaptainSparklez to avoid confusion suggests that he’s more recognizable as CaptainSparklez than Jordan Maron.
- I feel that unless Jordan himself states that he no longer goes by CaptainSparklez, the article should be renamed to CaptainSparklez. In that regard, CaptainSparklez would classify as a previous name under #1 on NPOVNAME. I think I’ve stated my thoughts enough on this now, so this will be my last post on the discussion. I’ll let other people decide on this. PantheonRadiance (talk) 22:29, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
- @PantheonRadiance: Thank you for your input.
- "Pretty sure 'Octomom' was a nickname given to her by the media rather than an actual pseudonym Nadya created herself, just like how media outlets often give subjects honorific nicknames (like Michael Jackson as the 'King of Pop')." - This follows WP:NPOVNAME.
- "Very few sources mention him only as Jordan Maron, and the fact they have to clarify his name as also CaptainSparklez to avoid confusion suggests that he’s more recognizable as CaptainSparklez than Jordan Maron." - This follows WP:COMMONNAME, which you forgot to mention in this reply, though I'll let that slide because this guideline has already been mentioned a few times.
- L33tm4n (talk) 00:25, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- @PantheonRadiance: Thank you for your input.
- Oppose. I would like to make a few more points. Jordan is associated with much more than his YouTube channel. Yes, he is most notably known for "CaptainSparklez," but he goes by Jordan everywhere else: his non-gaming channels, his clothing line, his real-world affiliations. MrBeast goes by "MrBeast" everywhere, Jordan does not. Previous points argued that "CaptainSparklez" was a stage name, but I'd like to argue that it isn't because he only uses it for his gaming content, nothing else.
- Other YouTubers associate themselves with their channel name. In videos, you'll hear them say "My name is PewDiePie," "My name is Markiplier," "My name is Jacksepticeye." Jordan doesn't do that. Rowan Atkinson is known for portraying Mr. Bean, but that is not a stage name. Atkinson has way more affiliations under his actual name despite always being associated with "Mr. Bean." I feel like Jordan Maron is the same way. --Diriector_Doc├─────┤TalkContribs 03:18, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: I don't really think it should be moved to CaptainSparklez as while he is mainly known by CaptainSparklez by people familiar with him on Youtube, he also runs many other channels (i.e JordanReacts, MaronMusic, and Jordan Maron which uses his real name), so I think it should be kept where it is. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) (Stupidity by me) 13:22, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Diriector Doc: @Blaze the Wolf: I said this would be my last post on the discussion, but I actually forgot to mention this. Per this section, “Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's ‘official’ name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources).” While he does have multiple channels not named after CaptainSparklez, very few sources discuss said other channels, as his main point of notability comes from his main gaming channel. As aforementioned, a majority of sources either mention Jordan as CaptainSparklez only, or mention his real name along with his alias.
- So, I’ll offer you both a proposition. If you can find five sources which mention him ONLY as Jordan Maron AND five videos of his where he calls himself just Jordan, I might be willing to change my position. Of course, if he does say he no longer goes by CaptainSparklez, I’ll also definitely change my stance. PantheonRadiance (talk) 05:45, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
Requested move 24 September 2021
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Not moved. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 23:40, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
Jordan Maron → CaptainSparklez – No consensus on the previous request was reached; also, per WP:COMMONNAME. L33tm4n (talk) 01:02, 24 September 2021 (UTC) L33tm4n (talk) 01:02, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose and speedy close An identical RM was closed three days ago, too soon to propose again. 162 etc. (talk) 01:33, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose and speedy close - nothing new offered by proposer. -- Netoholic @ 08:02, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
Requested move 18 July 2023
![]() | The request to rename this article to CaptainSparklez has been carried out.
If the page title has consensus, be sure to close this discussion using {{subst:RM top|'''page moved'''.}} and {{subst:RM bottom}} and remove the {{Requested move/dated|…}} tag, or replace it with the {{subst:Requested move/end|…}} tag. |
Jordan Maron → CaptainSparklez – Clear WP:COMMONNAME. Maron is most commonly referred to by his online pseudonym "CaptainSparklez". By looking at the Google Trends results for both search terms, it can be seen that, over the last 12 months, "CaptainSparklez" has been searched worldwide far more than "Jordan Maron" has. This clearly shows that "CaptainSparklez" is the name that Maron is most commonly known by. Strugglehouse (talk) 15:25, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- Adding to this. All of the references used on this page refer to Maron as "CaptainSparklez", with a lot referring to him solely by this name, without even mentioning his real name. Strugglehouse (talk) 16:54, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- Support once again. Posted this nearly two years ago but my position still stands. CaptainSparklez fits all of the criteria for WP:COMMONNAME, and a large majority of sources that refer to him under his alias also demonstrate this. PantheonRadiance (talk) 19:20, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- Sure. No opposition. SWinxy (talk) 22:47, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- Support Clear COMMONNAME. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:15, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
- Support Per Strugglehouse and PantheonRadiance. — VORTEX3427 (Talk!) 01:09, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
- Support. The sources very clearly indicate that this is the common name. The Night Watch (talk) 00:39, 24 July 2023 (UTC)