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Requested move 6 March 2021
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The result of the move request was: no consensus, regrettably. (closed by non-admin page mover) ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 15:59, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
Faizabad district → Ayodhya district – Requested under WP:NAMECHANGES Google Trends clearly show Ayodhya district is used far more than the former name: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=IN&q=Ayodhya%20district,Faizabad%20district As others have mentioned, officially renamed: https://ayodhya.nic.in/, https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/up-cabinet-approves-renaming-of-faizabad-as-ayodhya-allahabad-as-prayagraj/articleshow/66604547.cms
As under WP:NAMECHANGES when the name is changed, "we give extra weight to reliable sources written after the name change. If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match," here are some examples of usage of Ayodhya district (alone and in conjuction, such as "Ayodhya District Administration" by various news sources:
https://banksifsccode.com/bank-of-baroda-ifsc-code/uttar-pradesh/ayodhya/
Business world India: http://www.businessworld.in/amp/article/Ayodhya-district-admn-receives-Skoch-Gold-Award-for-COVID-19-management-/20-02-2021-379874/ http://odopup.in/en/article/faizabad
Caravan magazine: https://caravanmagazine.in/amp/politics/dalit-obc-devotees-in-ayodhya-oppose-attempt-to-displace-them-for-tallest-ram-statue
Hindustan times: https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/lucknow-news/uttar-pradesh-trust-buys-two-plots-near-ram-temple-complex-in-ayodhya-101614839375923.htm
The wire: https://thewire.in/law/ayodhya-college-students-sedition-azadi-slogan
Times of India: https://m.timesofindia.com/city/lucknow/ayodhya-airport-to-get-rs-400cr-additional-fund-before-budget/amp_articleshow/80883956.cms Hindian1947 (talk) 01:08, 6 March 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. ~ Aseleste (t, c, l) 17:10, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose
1a) Google basic search with quotes "faizabad district" yields 1,30,000 hits and for "ayodhya district" it yields 38,400 hits
1b) Google 'news' search with "faizabad district" in the 'news tab' result 2,170 hit for it and for "ayodhya district" it gets 1,120 hits.
2) There are many news agency articles (latest) using the term Faizabad district. Examples Business Today, Business Standard, News 18 Wire for example.
3) The Google trends above only shows hits from India, so it is not an 'Worldwide' view, as it is required for the name change of an article. Not to mention, there is not a notable difference when the usage of both the terms are concerned except a spike in first week of August 2020. In my opinion there is still time. Also according to this excerpt from WP:NAMECHANGES →If, on the other hand, reliable sources written after the name change is announced continue to use the established name, Wikipedia should continue to do so as well, as described above in "Use commonly recognizable names".
- Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:41, 6 March 2021 (UTC) - SUPPORTIf you go to worldwide Google Trends, "Ayodhya district" is substantially ahead of "faizabad district". Also, if you look at various points on the graph it shows "Ayodhya district" twice as searched or greater than "faizabad district". Even if you change the period from "past 12 months" to "past 30 days" or "past 90 days", Ayodhya district is ahead: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=Ayodhya%20district,Faizabad%20districtOn the search results, these are all time search results. Not specifically post name change. As an example I went to Google news tab and compared the terms. In the past month (as of now) "Ayodhya district" had 12 results in the news tab: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Ayodhya+district%22&tbas=0&tbs=qdr:m&tbm=nws&sxsrf=ALeKk01mXIyC7zszhoKz_84cRXxrYkBisg:1615029128309&ei=iGNDYIO_Ep3F4-EPmsWEmAM&start=0&sa=N&ved=0ahUKEwiDo_qrxJvvAhWd4jgGHZoiATM4ChDy0wMIRA&biw=1261&bih=1219&dpr=3 While in the past month "faizabad district" only had 4 results: https://www.google.com/search?biw=1261&bih=1219&tbs=qdr%3Am&tbm=nws&sxsrf=ALeKk02IUsAFT-_XwWdbTGBC8OD0VP_TUw%3A1615029351773&ei=Z2RDYK3fLu2F4-EP55um6AI&q=%22faizabad+district%22&oq=%22faizabad+district%22&gs_l=psy-ab.3...54328.56673.0.57176.9.9.0.0.0.0.451.1433.0j3j2j0j1.6.0....0...1c.1j4.64.psy-ab..3.1.450...0.0.wdLEHScp4FI Switching the date in the news tab from past month to past year, the large gap is still there. As of now, "faizabad district" only has 8 pages of news articles, while "Ayodhya district" has 17 pages. -Hindian1947 (talk) 11:27, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - WP:NAMECHANGES →
If, on the other hand, reliable sources written after the name change is announced continue to use the established name, Wikipedia should continue to do so as well, as described above in "Use commonly recognizable names".
still applies I believe. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:35, 6 March 2021 (UTC) - Oh..we also need to see sources from the world over since the article is for worldwide viewership. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:40, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - WP:NAMECHANGES →
- From WP:NAMECHANGES directly: "If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match."And its clear "Ayodhya district" is routinely used by reliable sources since the name change. And far more in number than the usage of "faizabad district" Hindian1947 (talk) 11:55, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
- This →
If, on the other hand, reliable sources written after the name change is announced continue to use the established name, Wikipedia should continue to do so as well, as described above in "Use commonly recognizable names"
is the very sentence that follows the sentence you posted above. Reliable sources used the term Faizabad district after the name change, examples this, this this, this, this. Also we need non-Indian sources for verification as well. Wikipedia articles are for global audience. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:05, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
- This →
- Again, I've clearly states "Ayodhya district" is routinely used by reliable sources since the name change and significantly more in number than the usage of "faizabad district". Also on non Indian sources. Huffpost: https://www.huffpost.com/archive/in/entry/ayodhya-verdict-ram-mandir-result_in_5dc3a69ce4b005513882968a Yahoo news: https://in.news.yahoo.com/ayodhya-mosque-blueprint-first-phase-133805010.html, https://in.finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/ayodhya-district-admin-begins-land-052104096.html BBC news: https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-51545344 Telegraph (India): https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/sunni-central-waqf-board-to-invite-yogi-for-ayodhya-stone-laying-ceremony/cid/1788831 Bangkok post: https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/1822264/plans-take-shape-for-hindu-mega-temple-in-ayodhya Hindian1947 (talk) 12:25, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
- Nice, but the fact stays that there are post name change reliable sources that use term "Faizabad district" (refering to the green quote above). Added few more links above. Let's see what others have to say about it - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:41, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
- Relisting comment: There's only two users here. Looks like some extra opinions on the weighting of sources is needed. Side note, it would be nice if somebody can cleanup the formatting here. (Non-administrator comment) ~ Aseleste (t, c, l) 17:10, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
Reviving discussion about "Faizabad district" to "Ayodhya district"
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i would like to attract your attention towards, WP:COMMONNAME which clearly states that common name should be used as title of article, so now the question is whether "ayodhya district" has become the common name or not. so i would like to give one proof, when we search "faizabad distict" in "news section" of google search, it shows almost 18000 results which is huge in itself but it become dwarf when compared to massive 92,000 results of "ayodhya district" clearly ayodhya district is more capable of being the title, but i know some of you might come and say, "but in (all) section ayodhya district has around 7,800,000 results which is lower than that of faizabad district's i.e around 11,300,000". i know this but according to wikipedia policies, wikipedia consider news, news papers, books as reliable sources not the google search. so if news section has almost 6 times difference then the name should be changed. so here we wil try to make a consensus. if i didn't get any valid counterpoints i will consider it as a "go ahead" to change name. thank youFollowbrocode (talk) 10:10, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
I would agree with the request, google map shoud show official names and other names and old names should be part of Also Known as or common names. Please change the name it creates confusion. Shakti67 (talk) 04:12, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
Requested move 21 August 2021
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The result of the move request was: Not Moved... because the nominator has been blocked indefinitely as a sock-puppet. I see no merit in keeping this discussion open. This was already discussed few months ago and closed as "no consensus". If such a need arrives in future, let's see then only... (closed by non-admin page mover) ─ The Aafī (talk) 17:30, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Faizabad district → Ayodhya district – i would like to attract your attention towards, WP:COMMONNAME which clearly states that common name should be used as title of article, so now the question is whether "ayodhya district" has become the common name or not. so i would like to give one proof, when we search "faizabad distict" in "news section" of google search, it shows almost 18000 results which is huge in itself but it become dwarf when compared to massive 92,000 results of "ayodhya district" clearly ayodhya district is more capable of being the title, but i know some of you might come and say, "but in (all) section ayodhya district has around 7,800,000 results which is lower than that of faizabad district's i.e around 11,300,000". i know this but according to wikipedia policies, wikipedia consider news, news papers, books as reliable sources not the google search. so if news section has almost 6 times difference then the name should be changed. so here we wil try to make a consensus. if i didn't get any valid counterpoints i will consider it as a "go ahead" to change name.thank you Followbrocode (talk) 10:50, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Strong Support:A lot of news articles referred to the district as simply "Ayodhya Distruict".[1][2][3][4][5]Charliechaplinback (talk) 10:59, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support:LalaTomCat (talk) 11:10, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Support Rahulaybika (talk) 15:33, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
I support for change the title name as Ayodhya district. because Ayodhya is the most common name Rahulaybika (talk) 15:35, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Please change the title name of this district as Ayodhya district.
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Ayodhya is the common name of this district, Ayodhya is the famous city in india. Faizabad name is not known by most people in india. And Ayodhya district is the official name of this district also. So i am requesting you to change the title name of this Wikipedia page as Ayodhya district. Rahulaybika (talk) 14:38, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Rahulaybika then vote Above.Followbrocode (talk) 15:08, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Sir i am requesting you to change the title name as Ayodhya district. And sir u told me vote above. Sir i didn't understand where i have to vote for it. Please help me sir to vote Rahulaybika (talk) 15:13, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- No, the title will not be changed until a consensus has been reached. Until then you will have to wait. Sleptlapps (talk) 15:18, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Rahulaybika, you just need to click on "edit source" written besides "Requested move 21 August 2021" and then, just see how others have voted, by writing like this "*support" you can show your support or by writing "*oppose" you could show your denial, along with this you have to give a reason for your support or oppose if you wantFollowbrocode (talk) 15:23, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Rahulaybika, in simple words just click on the "edit source" button in the above section and see how others voted and use that methodFollowbrocode (talk) 15:25, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Sir i have written support in that section for Ayodhya district title name. Please check it Rahulaybika (talk) 15:40, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Sir i have written support in that section which u have told me for vote in support for Ayodhya district as title name. Please check it and tell me please. i have voted in support of Ayodhya district as title name Rahulaybika (talk) 15:52, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Sir i have written support in that section which u have told me for vote in support for Ayodhya district as title name. Please check it and tell me please. i have voted in support of Ayodhya district as title name Rahulaybika (talk) 15:53, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Sir i have written support in that section which u have told me for vote in support for Ayodhya district as title name. Please check it and tell me please. i have voted in support of Ayodhya district as title name Rahulaybika (talk) 15:53, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Ayodhya district
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Sir, common name of this district is Ayodhya. Most of people known by its common name Ayodhya district. Faizabad is not the common name of this district. Ayodhya district is the common name as well as official name of this district. Thats why I am requesting you to change the Faizabad district name as Ayodhya district. Thank you. 36firenow (talk) 08:28, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Not done and won't be done - this has repeatedly been refused several times already this year - see the discussions above - Arjayay (talk) 09:25, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
I wish to share that the offical name of the place is Ayodhya. Therefore the district name must change to Ayodhya. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahayoddha2000 (talk • contribs) 07:40, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
Requested move 10 September 2021
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The result of the move request was: Closed as no consensus to move because ... socks. A one year moratorium (ending 22nd September 2022) on move requests for Faizabad district and Faizabad Bus Depot is also imposed.--RegentsPark (comment) 15:54, 23 September 2021 (UTC) RegentsPark (comment) 15:54, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
– Random search engine results and "news section" results shows this is the common name per WP:COMMONNAME. Hindu108 (talk) 11:34, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
- Support rename of Faizabad district- the name of Faizabad district was changed to Ayodhya district in 2018: Indian Express.Oppose the others: these words seem curiously similar to those of the blocked editors above, whose main concern seems to have been to change Faizabad to Ayodhya. Faizabad bus station is evidently in the city of Faizabad and not in the adjacent city of Ayodhya. Faizabad Cantonment appears to be correct; Faizabad Cantt is obviously in Faizabad (city) and not in Ayodhya (city). Oculi (talk) 00:35, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
Comment:Oculi i agree with your points about Faizabad Cantonment and Faizabad Cantt , i think i missed that. But regarding the "Faizabad bus station", there are two bus station one in faizabad city and one in ayodhya city, and this wikipedia page is about the one in ayodhya city. someone has changed its address in the page, but the picture used in page is clearly of ayodhya bus depot not faizabad one. so i am changing the address in that page, and it would be appreciated if you support the "bus depot" move along with the district. Hindu108 (talk) 05:40, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
- The article about "Faizabad bus station" appears to have been hijacked. For goodness sake write an article about Ayodhya bus station in addition to the one about Faizabad bus station rather than squabbling. Oculi (talk) 23:04, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note: Please hold closing RM until the SPI is closed — DaxServer (talk to me) 09:52, 14 September 2021 (UTC) Update: Sock confirmed by CU, comments stricken off — DaxServer (talk to me) 18:42, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose all, we've had Allahabad district since so long. Let the Faizabad stuff remain as it is, with a note added in the lede that official names include Ayodhya. No renames please. ─ The Aafī (talk) 06:29, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
*TheAafi, this is not a valid argument, that we have some other name so we have to have use this name, this is not a right point, so please make point according to wikipedia policies.--MeraHBharat (talk) 10:40, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
Strong Support per Oculi.--MeraHBharat (talk) 10:40, 23 September 2021 (UTC)Strike not vote by blocked sock--RegentsPark (comment) 12:53, 23 September 2021 (UTC)- The Government of UP, led by Yogi Adityanath has changed the official name of Faizabad district to Ayodhya district in November 2018. So now, we can write it as Ayodhya district (erstwhile Faizabad district). Aakash Singh India (talk · contribs)
- Nothing makes sense until it is established that "Ayodhya" is common name, and sadly, it is not so. Search results on Google reveal that Faizabad district is the COMMON NAME. ─ The Aafī (talk) 13:50, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- Procedural close This page is marred with RMs after RMs by socks. There's literally no constructive discussion on improving the page for the project, and is not invigorating. I propose a 1 year moratorium on RMs. — DaxServer (talk to me) 14:00, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- DaxServer, This makes sense to me as well. I'm fine with this proposal and support a 1 year moratorium on RMs. ─ The Aafī (talk) 14:29, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
I think u should change title name of Faizabad district as Ayodhya district
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Ayodhya district is the common as well as official name of this district. You should change your title name from Faizabad district to Ayodhya district 36firenow (talk) 09:59, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
- @36firenow: This is being discussed in the move request above. --RegentsPark (comment) 13:12, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
- That discussion has closed. And now, so has this, per terms of the closure above. Mathglot (talk) 19:17, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
Edit notice
Given the continual attempts to change the name despite consensus against and closure/moratorium in the discussion above, I've added an edit notice to the page, visible in preview mode only, and set to expire 22 December 2022, which is three months after the end of the moratorium defined here, to give time to monitor behavior post-moratorium, and to consider removal or extension of the notice. It can be removed at any time, given a consensus to do so. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 19:40, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- One reason the attempted changes keep happening may be due to the large number of mobile interface users who do not see the notice. There are various WP:Phabricator tickets open on this mobile deafness issue, and they've been there for some years. WMF development has their own prioritization procedures, of course, to determine what gets to the top of the queue to work on, but any registered editor is welcome to sign up for updates on a Phab ticket, or even to contribute to them. The edit notices issue is tracked by phab:T201595. For more on mobile web deafness generally, see WP:THEYCANTHEARYOU. Mathglot (talk) 19:17, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
Semi-protection requested
The changes started right up again after semi-protection expired yesterday. I've requested renewal of it for a year. Mathglot (talk) 19:30, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Mathglot We both requested it, a couple of hours apart 😅 — DaxServer (talk) 20:18, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- @DaxServer:, darn, I've done that before; I should've checked first! Let me go back and maybe strike or close my request.
Mathglot (talk) 20:23, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Mathglot Perhaps merge both? — DaxServer (talk) 20:24, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- @DaxServer: yours does the job. I also commented at it, suggesting 12 months; we'll see what happens. Mathglot (talk) 20:29, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Mathglot Perhaps merge both? — DaxServer (talk) 20:24, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- @DaxServer:, darn, I've done that before; I should've checked first! Let me go back and maybe strike or close my request.
Done Semi-protection activated by admins until 22:41, 23 October 2022 (UTC). Mathglot (talk) 00:10, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 28 January 2022
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Aj.abhishek1998 (talk) 09:03, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
Ayodhya district is not official name of this place Aj.abhishek1998 (talk) 09:04, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 10:22, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
Please unlock the Wikipedia page
Here the details about the politics is old 2017. After the 2022 assembly elections of Uttar Pradesh, details about MLAs in Ayodhya district has been changed. New MLAs elected in district's assembly constituencies. That's why i request to unlock this Wikipedia page. Then we can write correct details. Thank you. Deepdan12 (talk) 09:30, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Not done This is not the right page to request changes in protection levels.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 12:48, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Update MLA names of Ayodhya district
In 2022 U.P assembly elections, AYODHYA DISTRICT - Ved Prakash Gupta from Bjp won Ayodhya seat, Rudauli seat won by Ram Chandra Yadav from bjp, Goshainganj seat won by Abhay Singh from Samajwadi party, Bikapur seat won by Amit Singh Chauhan from bjp, Milkipur seat won by Awadesh Prasad from Samajwadi party. Ayodhya-prayagraj (talk) 12:38, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- You need to provide citations to reliable sources.-- Toddy1 (talk) 14:09, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
Please correct the railway station name in Ayodhya district
Bharatkund is a railway station situated in Ayodhya district, Uttar Pradesh. But in your Wikipedia page, title name is written wrong as Bharat Kund railway station. Sir the correct name of this railway station is Bharatkund railway station. Bharatkund is one word. On Google map, official website of indian railways and everywhere it is written as Bharatkund railway station. Nobody is taking it seriously that's why i have written about this issue in this page. Please take it seriously and change the title name of "Bharat Kund railway station" as Bharatkund railway station. Thank you. Ayodhya-prayagraj (talk) 08:05, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Title name should be renamed as Ayodhya district
I have searched on internet very well in last 3 days about this district. Ayodhya is the common name of this district. I have seen that many people already requested for change the title name as Ayodhya district but you didn't take any step towards it. But now you should change the Faizabad district title name as Ayodhya district. And change the Faizabad division as Ayodhya division because it also common name according to last searches on Google and available pages on internet. Ayodhya-prayagraj (talk) 07:24, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
- There was a similar proposal in March last year, but it resulted in no consensus. If the situation has changed since then, you're free to make another proposal, see WP:RM#CM for how to do that. – Uanfala (talk) 10:20, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
Ayodhya is the common name for this district, according to newspapers, Magazines, News channels and on Google searches. I think its right time to rename this title page as Ayodhya district. So please rename this Wikipedia page as Ayodhya district. Thank you! Ayodhya-prayagraj (talk) 16:11, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
- Ayodhya-prayagraj - Please start by providing WP:Reliable sources to support each of the four claims you have made above 1) Newspapers, 2) Magazines, 3) News channels, and 4) Google searches. Please remember, we are only talking about the use of the name in English - Thank you - Arjayay (talk) 17:10, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
From October 2022 i have found many newspapers, magazines,and on English news channels also. there is more than enough websites for Ayodhya district than Faizabad name. I don't know, how i can provide these things on this talk page but seriously i am telling you 100 percent truth that Ayodhya is the more common and famous name for this Wikipedia page. If you don't believe then you can also check it please. Please take this step firmly and rename this page as Ayodhya district. Thank you Ayodhya-prayagraj (talk) 21:02, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
- It is bizarre to not have the correct name here. Note that a completely different standard is being applied to Pakistani names. So Neelum River, when the traditional and historic name (and the name still used in India) is Kishanganga River, or Muslim Bagh when the traditional name is Hindubagh. It is precisely this kind of thing which makes charges of a biased moderation and administrative system stick to Wikipedia. Authoritative, official names should be adopted rather than those driven by POV, which is what is happening here. --Hunnjazal (talk) 20:55, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
Even last year the news articles referred to it by correct name, but not sure why Wikipedia rules don't allow it Anubhavklal 09:51, 12 February 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anubhavklal (talk • contribs)
I don't know why district not renamed as it is named after Ayodhya not Faizabaad and also popular WikiEdits2003 (talk) 18:21, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
- Try reading the move discussions. You can see links to them at the top of the page.-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:42, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
Requested move 14 March 2023
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Faizabad district → Ayodhya district – WikiEdits2003 (talk) 19:49, 14 March 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 23:41, 29 March 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. {{ping|ClydeFranklin}} (t/c) 00:30, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
Survey
- Oppose – The data simply does not support it. This echoes User:Fylindfotberserk's March 2021 comment in a previous Rfc, since which little has changed:
- Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 09:29, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. I agree with Mathglot. I noticed that their search results including a few results for Faizabad in Afghanistan. So I repeated their searches excluding Afghanistan, Pakistan and Wiki. It affected the numbers, but not the conclusions. Interestingly it showed that for news, the usage is about equal. Note that when I went to the last page of search results for news, the numbers dropped massively.
Search results excluding Afghanistan, Pakistan and Wiki "Faizabad District" "Ayodhya District" Web search 187,000 98,500 Scholar search 1,060 86 News search (first page) 1,300 1,400 News search (last page) 228 217
- What am I missing here?. The place was renamed a few years ago, so of course sources published before that would use the old name. What matters is the usage in the sources published since then. If you restrict the the news searches above to results from the past year, you get 13 pages for the new name [6] vs. 3 for the old one [7]. Unless I'm missing something, this clearly indicates the new name has caught up now. – Uanfala (talk) 15:52, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- You can do this for Google scholar as well. The Uttar Pradesh cabinet approved the change of name in November 2018.[8] So this is how Google scholar results vary by year - note that there is some miscoding by Google, for example a 2020 document showed up in the 2000-2017 group:
- -- Toddy1 (talk) 16:57, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for these results. I've had a look at the first page of 10 results for Faizabad for 2022. Only the first two genuinely support the usage of "Faizabad". One has only a passing mention of the place when reporting on a 2017 study, another was actually published in 2019, while those two [9] [10] were published in 2022 but reported on fieldwork that took place earlier (in 2013-4 and 2019-20 resp.). This one likewise discusses only historical data (from the 19th century). This one employs both "Faizabad" and "Ayodhya", while other one uses only "Ayodhya". That one refers to the place in Pakistan. Overall, of these 10 results, only 2 (possibly up to 4) support the older usage. – Uanfala (talk) 17:51, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- Checking book results, limited to last three years, via unbiased search open to both terms at the same time: Results: 28–7, in favor of "Faizabad district" (counting documents, not individual terms). For scholar, of the top 50 we have results: 25–15 (same query, same time restriction; tally is number of documents, so multiple mentions in the same document counts as "1" hit; fifty requested, you may have to page through results to get all 50.) Mathglot (talk) 18:27, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, I don't think I'm able to see how these tweaks address the problems I pointed out before? – Uanfala (talk) 15:17, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- Name Ayodhya adheres Wikipedia:COMMONNAME and based on statistics it is injustice to title Ayodhya which in reality makes sense WikiEdits2003 (talk) 18:36, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- Checking book results, limited to last three years, via unbiased search open to both terms at the same time: Results: 28–7, in favor of "Faizabad district" (counting documents, not individual terms). For scholar, of the top 50 we have results: 25–15 (same query, same time restriction; tally is number of documents, so multiple mentions in the same document counts as "1" hit; fifty requested, you may have to page through results to get all 50.) Mathglot (talk) 18:27, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for these results. I've had a look at the first page of 10 results for Faizabad for 2022. Only the first two genuinely support the usage of "Faizabad". One has only a passing mention of the place when reporting on a 2017 study, another was actually published in 2019, while those two [9] [10] were published in 2022 but reported on fieldwork that took place earlier (in 2013-4 and 2019-20 resp.). This one likewise discusses only historical data (from the 19th century). This one employs both "Faizabad" and "Ayodhya", while other one uses only "Ayodhya". That one refers to the place in Pakistan. Overall, of these 10 results, only 2 (possibly up to 4) support the older usage. – Uanfala (talk) 17:51, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- -- Toddy1 (talk) 16:57, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- My point here is to say that Ayodhya district named after Ayodhya not Faizabad as mentioned Both are distinct place
- So Naming District Faizabad is completely changing it's true identity
- And name Ayodhya is no doubt Wikipedia:COMMONNAME WikiEdits2003 (talk) 16:57, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- You're not missing anything, wrt news. It's normal that newspapers reports news events and changes; it's what the news is. Media companies that published articles about non-events, such as, " 'Faizabad district' still used a lot, despite official name change" would not sell any newspapers. (edit conflict × 3) Mathglot (talk) 17:07, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Reasonability rule
- Example:
- Lucknow district is named after City of Lucknow which is more popular and have more population and that's why district is named after Lucknow so that also applies here too because Ayodhya is more popular name for district that's why renamed
- If District would have named for example Superior district then its not a common name WikiEdits2003 (talk) 17:51, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- My point here is to say that Ayodhya district named after Ayodhya not Faizabad as mentioned Both are distinct place
- Support. Whatever your opinion of the politics that led to the name change five year ago, and whatever your view of the continuing disruption to this page, it's clear that the official name has now become the common name. The Google News results for last year show that the new name has outpaced the old one by a factor of four. As for the Google Scholar links, if the first page of results is representative, then once you filter out the irrelevant results (i.e. historic discussions, entries in bibliographies, etc.) then the new name is at least as common, or up to twice as common, as the old name. – Uanfala (talk) 15:17, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- Per data presented above, it's clear it hasn't. We rely on WP:COMMONNAME, which is one of the policy criteria at WP:AT, rather than official name changes, and to the extent that news sources report news, they should all report official name changes (as they all did, and as well they should) but that does not mean that that is part of our article title naming criteria, and indeed it is not. Mathglot (talk) 04:58, 21 March 2023 (UTC) redacted; Mathglot (talk) 19:39, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, per the data above exactly! I'm not sure I understand the latter part of your comment though. Are you suggesting that news sources should be ignored when looking at usage? – Uanfala (talk) 17:02, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- News sources should not be ignored; they should be interpreted per the criteria in article title policy, including the remarks on "official name" usage. Sorry for the confusion on meaning; I had left out a word (fixed). Mathglot (talk) 19:39, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, I still totally fail to get your point. Obviously we should be following the article titles policy, no-one is suggesting otherwise. The relevant question here is: after the official name changed in 2018, which usage has prevailed in reliable English-language sources, the old one or the new one. That's what we're supposed to be looking at, right? – Uanfala (talk) 22:14, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Right. Mathglot (talk) 22:38, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- My point was then: when we look at Google News results for the past year, we see some uses of the old name, but a lot more for the new one. We agree on that point, right? It's your counterargument here that I don't understand. – Uanfala (talk) 22:54, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Yes. Sorry if I wasn't clearer, but I've said enough; time for others to bring their point of view. Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 01:43, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Well, I was hoping we could clear whatever misunderstanding there's been. And I like to think there's been a misunderstanding, because otherwise I find your opposition completely incomprehensible. So far, it seems like slam-dunk obvious case for the move. – Uanfala (talk) 20:01, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- If the concern with the Google News results is that they cast too wide a net and so also catch unreliable sources, then just pick you favourite publication in search only there. For example, see the Times of India hits for the past year: 27 for "Ayodhya district" [11] vs. just 5 for "Faizabad district" [12] (of these five, 3 appear to be incorrectly dated, 1 is a false match, while another uses the term only when referencing the renaming from 5 years ago). So, effectively all of the pages on this online newspaper now use the new name. And if we want to seek reliable sources from Google Books or Scholar instead, then we need to make sure the results are actually about the contemporary, and not historic, context. I've already outlined above why at least three quarters of the Google Scholar hits for Faizabad need to be discarded on these grounds. I can see a similar pattern on Google Books, but with an even heavier skew towards historic contexts. – Uanfala (talk) 23:58, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Districts are generally named after most populous or most popular place and Ayodhya is obviously more popular than Faizabad WikiEdits2003 (talk) 15:47, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Yes. Sorry if I wasn't clearer, but I've said enough; time for others to bring their point of view. Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 01:43, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- My point was then: when we look at Google News results for the past year, we see some uses of the old name, but a lot more for the new one. We agree on that point, right? It's your counterargument here that I don't understand. – Uanfala (talk) 22:54, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Right. Mathglot (talk) 22:38, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, I still totally fail to get your point. Obviously we should be following the article titles policy, no-one is suggesting otherwise. The relevant question here is: after the official name changed in 2018, which usage has prevailed in reliable English-language sources, the old one or the new one. That's what we're supposed to be looking at, right? – Uanfala (talk) 22:14, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- News sources should not be ignored; they should be interpreted per the criteria in article title policy, including the remarks on "official name" usage. Sorry for the confusion on meaning; I had left out a word (fixed). Mathglot (talk) 19:39, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, per the data above exactly! I'm not sure I understand the latter part of your comment though. Are you suggesting that news sources should be ignored when looking at usage? – Uanfala (talk) 17:02, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Per data presented above, it's clear it hasn't. We rely on WP:COMMONNAME, which is one of the policy criteria at WP:AT, rather than official name changes, and to the extent that news sources report news, they should all report official name changes (as they all did, and as well they should) but that does not mean that that is part of our article title naming criteria, and indeed it is not. Mathglot (talk) 04:58, 21 March 2023 (UTC) redacted; Mathglot (talk) 19:39, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Discussion
- Proposed 18-month moratorium before the next move may be opened. It's getting *really* tiresome, and WP:DISRUPTive, to have to deal with these repeated move requests, which are made regularly, completely oblivious to the fact that nothing whatsoever has changed since the last one, and that the data does not support a move at this time, and that it is a giant time-waster for numerous editors. I have nothing against changing the title of this article, if and when article title policy supports it, but I *do* have something against being called here repeatedly, to state the same thing, over and over and over again. I don't doubt the good faith intentions of the OP, but this needs to be throttled down, so we don't waste editor time needlessly. Future good-faith editors should be gently reminded that this has been decided recently already. The next move request should not occur before September 14, 2024, when perhaps, the picture will be different. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 09:36, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- Agree with an 18-month moratorium. What Mathglot says makes good sense. And an 18-month moratorium has worked with Allahabad.-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:57, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- Yes please to the moratorium. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 11:53, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- Question: Are there any analogous disputed article titles for districts and the like? While the politics of this decision do recall those which surround the naming of Allahabad, that is the name of a singular city, and its official name will never be viable as a common name as it is not recognisable or pronounceable name from the perspective of the majority of the Indian public. Whereas the name of districts as opposed to cities is generally not expected to be an interpretation of popular opinion. The title of this article has no bearing on those of the respective cities involved and I wonder if a similar decision to retain a defunct official name has been made elsewhere.
- It also may be worth pointing out that if you are to look at many local government websites for districts in India and Pakistan you will find content copy and pasted directly from English Wikipedia on them. It is quite likely that at least some of the recent news articles which used Faisabad district as the name did so simply because that is the title of this article. --عُثمان (talk) 01:07, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Are there any analogous disputed article titles? Yes, I have seen them for other places in India, South Africa, and the Ukraine. Some go one way, some go the other. Local people often do not like name changes - people in Dnepropetrovsk called the police to try to stop council workmen cutting off the "petrovsk" in a sign in the city. -- Toddy1 (talk) 13:46, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- That would be another example of a city. I mean for an administrative entity distinct and named differently from a city contained within it. عُثمان (talk) 04:27, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
Dnepropetrovsk is an example. The government renamed the city "Dnipro" in 2016, but the oblast remained Dnipropetrovsk oblast.-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:15, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
- @عُثمان title must be changed to Ayodhya district. it is commonly Known now. allahabad will also be changed after April 2023. Rahil1610 (talk) 18:11, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
- That would be another example of a city. I mean for an administrative entity distinct and named differently from a city contained within it. عُثمان (talk) 04:27, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
- Are there any analogous disputed article titles? Yes, I have seen them for other places in India, South Africa, and the Ukraine. Some go one way, some go the other. Local people often do not like name changes - people in Dnepropetrovsk called the police to try to stop council workmen cutting off the "petrovsk" in a sign in the city. -- Toddy1 (talk) 13:46, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Ayodhya district must be the title name
I am from Bikapur town, in Ayodhya district. In last few years Ayodhya is the common name of this district. I don't want to show you any source for it. Because everyone knows that Ayodhya is now common name. Ayodhya district is good for the title name Bikapur (talk) 01:47, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- "I don't want to show you any source for it" isn't really how things work round here... Dāsānudāsa (talk) 10:02, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- From my opinion Ayodhya is far common name than Faizabad WikiEdits2003 (talk) 15:44, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- That is not what Google shows.-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:51, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Huh? Where? – Uanfala (talk) 23:54, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Uanfala change the name as Ayodhya district. Rahil1610 (talk) 18:09, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Toddy1 obviously Google will show faizabad because it was official 2 years ago. Does it take 10-20 years to pass that count as according to you ??! what a stupid arguments. Rahil1610 (talk) 18:19, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
- Huh? Where? – Uanfala (talk) 23:54, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- That is not what Google shows.-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:51, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- From my opinion Ayodhya is far common name than Faizabad WikiEdits2003 (talk) 15:44, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Bikapur it's been more than 2 years and it is still as Faizabad. while officially declared as Ayodhya district. I agree. change it. Rahil1610 (talk) 18:18, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
move Faizabad district to Ayodhya district
move it as it's official and commonly being used. Rahil1610 (talk) 18:20, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
- The official name of this district is Ayodhya district since 2018. Wikipedia should change the title name as Ayodhya district. Ayodhya district is also now the common name of this district. Bikapur (talk) 18:34, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
Not done - We use the Common names in English for our articles, not the "Official names", as changing the name breaks internal links to those articles, and is confusing to our readers: Bangalore was renamed Bengalūru, as the city's official name in 2006, but we still use Bangalore.
As a longer standing example, Wien has been the official name of the capital of Österreich (another official name) for hundreds of years, but we won't be changing either name in the foreseeable future - Arjayay (talk) 19:35, 30 March 2023 (UTC)- The name Ayodhya has always been enshrined in the hearts of the people. And this is the beloved name of this district. The common name of the city of Bengaluru is still Bangalore, for all I know. But the famous and common name of this district is Ayodhya and this is the correct name. If you don't want to change the name of Faizabad district on Wikipedia, don't change it but don't give useless examples which have no meaning. Bikapur (talk) 19:50, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Bikapur exactly my point, nobody says faizabad anymore. By the way he doesn't have the ownership of wikipedia. it will be changed after sometime. Rahil1610 (talk) 10:27, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- @Arjayay if you don't know, there is a feature of redirect for any other name in wikipedia, i wanna tell you. Official name is official afterall. it will be change. Rahil1610 (talk) 10:30, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- The name Ayodhya has always been enshrined in the hearts of the people. And this is the beloved name of this district. The common name of the city of Bengaluru is still Bangalore, for all I know. But the famous and common name of this district is Ayodhya and this is the correct name. If you don't want to change the name of Faizabad district on Wikipedia, don't change it but don't give useless examples which have no meaning. Bikapur (talk) 19:50, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
Please change the district name as Ayodhya district
The government had renamed Faizabad district as Ayodhya district in 2018. The name Ayodhya is the most famous and common name since 2018. Due to the name of this district being Ayodhya, the people here have got proper recognition and popularity. Every time you give the example of Bangalore city and say that we did not change its name. You have changed the name of both Gulbarga city and district to Kalaburagi on Wikipedia. Please change the name of Faizabad district to Ayodhya district. Chaure Bazar (talk) 21:15, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
- https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/karnataka-belgaum-mysore-names-of-12-cities-changed-kannada-223614-2014-10-17
- you are right The Karnataka government had renamed 12 cities in 2014, including Bangalore and Gulbarga. Even in Wikipedia, the name of Gulbarga city and district has been changed to Kalaburagi. Ayodhya is the correct name of this district. It is a request to Wikipedia that you change the name of this district to Ayodhya district. Bikapur (talk) 21:50, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
- Relisting comment: One last try... {{ping|ClydeFranklin}} (t/c) 00:30, 6 April 2023 (UTC)