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1. Before being closed, a Level 5 proposal must:
   1. Run for at least 15 days; AND
   2. Allow at least 7 days after the most recent vote; AND
   3. Have at least 4 participants.
2. For a proposal to be implemented on the Level 5 list:
   1. It must have over 60% support (see table); AND
   2. It must have at least 4 support votes !votes.

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• 15 days ago is: 17:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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The following link represent all current Level 5 Vital articles that are classified as Society subjects:

Place under Management  3 at Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Politics and economics

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:59, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. The Blue Rider 21:52, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Can be under Management  3 at Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Politics and economics, can be under Technology

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:03, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Place either under Psychology or Business

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:05, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:43, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:15, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Either this article for behavioral economics is fine. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1. Weak oppose, would prefer to add behavioral economics instead since it's more broad. The Blue Rider 13:22, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss

Social interaction redirects here. Different social interactions combine to form a Social network  4. I think it's an important concept in Social studies.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:31, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Obviously. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:24, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add Building material  5

Add General contractor

A common entity in the process of construction

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:13, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 06:46, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:49, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
5. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add Subcontractor  5

Add Real estate development  5

Usually held to be the magnum opus for Serge Gainsbourg  4. Other than Trans Europa Express (which has an English version) and the Miles Davis albums (which are instrumentals), all of the albums listed are in English. Of all the non-English albums we have articles for, this is probably the most vital.

Support

1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 00:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Support --Makkool (talk) 21:33, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

These two song are stated in the intro of jazz standard to be one of the most covered songs of all time. Admittedly, the “Stardust” article does a much better job explaining its vitality than “Caravan”’s article.

Support

1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:04, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Support --Makkool (talk) 21:33, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Discuss

A major component of Customer service  5 (nominated above) in relation to products and services which consumers do not know how to use.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:07, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

There were three main stratigies applied by the US during the Cold War, détente, containment and rollback. The Blue Rider 12:57, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@The Blue Rider: wouldn't these be better placed in "History?" Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:26, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hm, not really even though they became popular they are still used nowadays. The Blue Rider 15:02, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add détente

Détente is a strategy aimed at relaxing tensions between two countries. It was first utilized by the Kennedy administration during the Cuban Missile Crisis  4, which ultimately led to the establishment of the red telephone. This approach was further employed by Richard Nixon, resulting in the negotiation of several important treaties, including the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and the Helsinki Accords (both should also be added). Détente played a crucial role in bringing an end to the Vietnam War and contributed to the improvement of relations between the US and China, ultimately leading to China's entrance into the United Nations. The Blue Rider 12:57, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 12:57, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 22:08, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add containment

Containment was a strategy aimed at halting the spread of communism, largely driven by the belief in the domino theory (which should also be added). With the fall of China, Cuba, and other nations to communism, Harry Truman, through his Truman Doctrine  5, initiated interventions in multiple countries that were on the brink of succumbing to communism. These interventions included the Greek Civil War  5, the Korean War  4, the Vietnam War  4, Guatemalan Civil War  5, among others. The Blue Rider 12:57, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 12:57, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 22:08, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add rollback

The final strategy, and the most aggressive one, involved actively intervening in communist countries with the aim of changing their regimes. This approach was primarily utilized by Reagan and the Bushes administrations. It resulted in interventions such as the Bay of Pigs Invasion  5, support for the Contras in Nicaragua, the United States invasion of Grenada  5, and more recently, the United States invasion of Afghanistan. The Blue Rider 13:00, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 12:57, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 22:08, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

For centuries, the imperial examination system profoundly influenced Imperial China's society, determining social status and governance. It provided a path for social advancement based on merit. It legitimized the ruling dynasty, ensured political stability, and reinforced cultural norms through its emphasis on Confucian ideology. However, it perpetuated gender inequality by excluding women. And was apperently important for Chinese mythology (see Imperial examination in Chinese mythology). All the elite of Imperial China was a jinshi, the highest degree of the exam. In essence, the imperial examination system shaped Chinese society, governance, and culture, leaving a lasting impact on its civilization. The Blue Rider 20:29, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 20:29, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 20:32, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:32, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. This feels VA5-worthy based on vibes. I consider this to be more of a History topic however. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:04, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
5. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

• @Feminist: You seem to take an interest on East Asia as well, so I would appreciate your input, be it positive or negative! Thank you. The Blue Rider 14:59, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Well, I very much disliked the subject of History of China  4 at school. Where would you put it on the list? It feels more like a history topic to me. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:05, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Oh, such an interesting history, for me at least. What are your countries/regions of interest then? I would put it in the Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Culture's Education section. The Blue Rider 15:19, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Subscriptions are a big and growing thing in business.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:04, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:32, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Although we do have William Hanna  5 and Joseph Barbera  5 on here along with some shows, I still think we need the company. They’re responsible for a large chunk of American TV animation (and for some periods, most of it).

Support

1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 08:23, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Seems like an obvious oversight, an extremely widespread social system. The Blue Rider 20:18, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 20:18, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 21:27, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. I hesitate to agree that "an extremely widespread social system" is automatically grounds for vitality inclusion. Patriarchy is a term that can be applied to many social systems, but it's one of many terms; it's similar to, say, Capitalism  3 or Democracy  3 in this regard. Not all such terms which can be used to describe "extremely widespread" phenomena are vital. But in any case, patriarchy is a major concept in both anthropology and sociology which is suitable for V5. feminist🩸 (talk) 01:43, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. per above. starship.paint 09:08, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
5. Important. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:34, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
6. Vileplume (talk) 14:31, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
7. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:07, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Relevant to politics, at least.

Support

1. as nom. starship.paint 10:08, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:41, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:07, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

• Originally proposed by LaukkuTheGreit. starship.paint 12:15, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Malthus's magnum opus, continues to shape economic theory and social policy; from the decay of the English Poor Laws, to the works and ideas of important philosophers and economists, such as David Ricardo  4 and Adam Smith  3. His ideas, Malthusianism  5, that come from the book, explore the relationship between population growth and resources, has influenced debates on birth control, income distribution, and sustainable development. Malthus's insights remain relevant today, informing discussions on global challenges like climate change and poverty alleviation. The Blue Rider 18:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 18:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. V5 importance, although overlap with V5 Malthusianism is significant. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:01, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Rechtsstaat, originating in German Jurisprudence  4, embodies principles of legal certainty, equality before the law, and protection of individual rights. This principle depends on the Separation of powers  4, ensuring Judicial independence  5 and impartiality. It emphasizes the rule of law as a safeguard against arbitrary government actions, ensuring that legal processes are transparent, predictable, and fair. The doctrine has influenced constitutionalism and legal theory globally, contributing to the development of democratic governance and the protection of human rights in diverse countries

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 14:56, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. per nom. Makkool (talk) 20:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

This is important enough for an Academy Award to be dedicated to it.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:50, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1. Don't really have a great explanation for why I oppose besides the fact that this just seems much less important than the other film topics we currently list. Prosthetic makeup feels like a part of the movie making experience in the same way that craft service is: it is ubiquitous in movie productions but not necessarily a V5-vital topic. And the Academy Award category is for makeup/Cosmetics  4 in general, not just prosthetic makeup. Aurangzebra (talk) 11:08, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   I guess the main difference is that the audience can see prosthetic makeup as it is applied, whereas craft service is more of a backstage thing that readers are less likely to care about. But point taken regarding this being relatively niche among film topics compared to what we currently list. feminist🩸 (talk) 11:48, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss

A historically common form of Punishment  4 which persists in some countries. Compare Capital punishment  4, which is at V4.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 06:42, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Pretty important. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:05, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. per above. starship.paint 14:03, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
5. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:09, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Lebensraum, a geopolitical concept coined by Friedrich Ratzel, that posits that territories are living organisms and, as so, need to expand in order to provide for their population. This idea was notably adopted and distorted by the Nazi Party during World War II to justify their aggressive expansionist policies. Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime used the concept of Lebensraum to justify their invasions and annexations of neighboring territories, particularly in Eastern Europe, under the pretext of securing land for the German people. This expansionist ideology was a key component of Nazi propaganda and played a significant role in shaping the course of World War II. The Blue Rider 17:57, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 17:57, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Iostn (talk) 21:47, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

I don't think we need any libraries that are not national libraries at this level. I think Library of Congress is sufficient for US libraries. Interstellarity (talk) 01:13, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support NYPL

1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:13, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support BPL

1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:13, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Only the fifth largest library in the US. Possible swap for Shanghai Library? Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:46, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Quite surprised this was listed tbh. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:11, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose NYPL

1. Strong oppose. We should have two American libraries, and it is the world’s fourth largest at 55 million catalogued items. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:46, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   @OhnoitsvileplumeXD: Different sources have different criteria regarding how big libraries are. NYPL is the second biggest by catalog size, but BPL is the largest by volumes held. I think this is something we should consider when deciding what to remove an add. Interstellarity (talk) 13:02, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   @Interstellarity: I was just going off List of largest libraries, where only the catalogue size is listed. I still see the NYPL as more vital, as it has double the interwikis and triple the daily views. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 13:52, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   @OhnoitsvileplumeXD: I found these articles at here and here. One article has the NYPL as larger and the other has BPL as larger, but if you still think NYPL is more vital, I’ll respect your opinion on that. Interstellarity (talk) 14:43, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2. Not even mentioning its sheer size (fourth largest library in the world), amount of visitors, and iconicness, it's also a historic landmark. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:12, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose BPL

Discussion

A very common concept, albeit somewhat dicdef. Should be V5.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:54, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. per nom. starship.paint 11:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add Juvenile delinquency  5

Add Age of criminal responsibility

The age one must be in order to be capable of committing an offence. If one is too young, one is presumed to not be able to tell whether something should be wrong or not. An important concept comparable to, say, Age of consent  4.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add Age of majority  5 and Minor (law)  5

Add Strike (attack)

Striking is the primary way Hand-to-hand combat  5 (nominated above) is conducted, but it should be listed separately because variations of strikes are also employed in Martial arts  3 and combat sports.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. per nom. starship.paint 11:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
5. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:19, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add Punch (combat)

A strike (nominated above) conducted with the fist. It is used in most martial arts and combat sports, and is the only type of offensive technique allowed in Boxing  4.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 10:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. per nom. starship.paint 11:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
5. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:20, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add Kick

A strike (nominated above) using the leg. Used in many forms of martial arts, as well as in self-defense applications.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 10:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. per nom. starship.paint 11:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
5. Supporting. Very surprised this and punch weren't listed already. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:20, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

The former is decades older and has better claims of vitality, and they have sold a similar amount. Cardcaptor Sakura feels a somewhat questionable inclusion to me, seeming not quite popular/acclaimed/influential/famous enough to be preferred over something like Berserk (manga) or even Monster (manga) (which are scored into the top 10 of various manga sites by their users).

(I initially thought about replacing Cardcaptor with Berserk but eventually decided on a shoujo-shoujo swap, and I'm wondering a bit whether some of Berserk's vitality claims might be too inspired by the 2021 death of its author.)

Support

1. As nom.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 18:16, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 22:26, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

No votes in a long time. If this proposal goes nowhere I may propose a swap with Berserk (manga) instead.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:26, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An enduring cross-cultural practice.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:07, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 10:28, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Big in Spanish-speaking countries. The Blue Rider 12:44, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Makkool (talk) 17:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
5. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:23, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

"Collectivism" redirects here. I think collectivism should be listed at the same level as Individualism  5.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:10, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

A process that everyone goes through. Or is it too vague as a concept?

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 06:26, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

There are three types of goods in economics, private goods, common goods and public goods. Public goods are of the interest of the state and are specially important in welfare states. They are also widely studied in the field of economics because they have a grand influence in the policies of a state; one must decide whether to allocate resources toward public goods provision through taxation and government spending or to leave their provision to the private sector, considering factors such as efficiency, equity, and the role of government in promoting societal welfare. The Blue Rider 15:54, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 15:54, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:44, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1. Since the other 2 are not listed.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. Two wrongs don't make a right, plus public goods are the most immportant of them all. The Blue Rider 19:15, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss

Important concept in science and fiction, 49 interwikis. Almost 7k daily pageviews. Not sure which section to add this too, suggestions welcome. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 23:06, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. as nom --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 23:06, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:52, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Basic concepts that are taught at businesses and economics bachelor's. The Blue Rider 17:00, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add SWOT analysis

Add PEST analysis

Another widely used framework that companies utilize to know their macro-environmental factors, such as political (P), economic (E), social (S) and technological (T); sometimes it is extended as PESTEL to include other factors. 35 interwikis. The Blue Rider 17:00, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 17:00, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:45, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add Porter's five forces analysis

I'm sure there are more articles that could be added but this is what I gathered from a quick glance. Also, I'm only going to provide very brief reasonings since I don't have the patient to do longer ones as of now. The Blue Rider 03:09, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Schengen Area

Extremely important since it allows the free movement of people in 29 countries without any kind of Border control  5.

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 03:09, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. A key concept for the EU. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:49, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:33, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. per above. starship.paint 13:18, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 17:09, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
6. Iostn (talk) 21:13, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
7. Obviously. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:58, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
8. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add European single market

Equally important since it allows the free movement of capital, people, services and goods in 32 countries.

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 03:09, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. A key concept for the EU. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:47, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Iostn (talk) 21:13, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add Maastricht Treaty

Add Treaty of Rome

It created the European Coal and Steel Community  5, European Economic Community  5 and Euratom  5!

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 03:09, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Iostn (talk) 21:13, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add Schuman Declaration

A declaration that was fulcral to the creation of the European Coal and Steel Community  5, would put it on the same level as the Fourteen Points. It is more important than you think, 47 interwikis!

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 03:09, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Inspired by a book that I can't remember by Kant, the Fourteen Points of Woodrow Wilson dictated the domestic and external policy of the United States and of many other countries! It is famous for proposing the creation of the League of Nations  4.

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 03:09, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. I think this is pretty important. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:06, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Hadn't heard of it myself but yeah it seems important enough. On a bit of a tangent, should Triple Entente and Triple Alliance (1882) be listed? J947 ‡ ^edits 07:09, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

The currency that Euro  4 was largely bassed on. It was the official currency of West Germany  5 and Germany  3

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 13:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1. I'm not convinced any individual historic currencies are vital. Gold standard  5 or Special drawing rights  5 should be added, but not Deutsche mark. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:35, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss

Two major forms of Communication  2.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:33, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. V5, sure. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 22:30, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Supporting both. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Fraktur is just one type of Blackletter typefaces. It is by far the most famous one, but the article also mentions that the term "Fraktur" is also used to refer to the entire Blackletter group of typefaces.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:34, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add Harakiri (1962 film)

In the removal discussion for The Human Condition (film series), I noted that film/series seemed less vital than Harakiri, a film by the same director, which has a 100% ranking on Rotten Tomatoes and is the highest ranked film on Letterboxd. It's also in the TSPDT top 1000.

Support

1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Per nom. CopiousAmountofCannons (talk) 00:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add Fantasia (1940 film)

Add Nanook of the North

Hugely influential on the documentary film as a format, "It was the first feature-length documentary to achieve commercial success, proving the financial viability of the genre and inspiring many films to come".

Support

1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Proved that documentaries could make money and was among the first films chosen for preservation by Congress. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:52, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1. I'm apt to oppose films that people who aren't extreme cinephiles typically haven't heard of. Also, I feel like, in general, it requires a much higher standard of notability to include documentaries on this list as documentaries are much less influential in the cultural zeitgeist than regular movies. If we are really looking to add another documentary, I would rather add Bowling for Columbine which has much more of a cultural legacy, is way more well-known, has won more awards (though this is less impressive when compared to a movie from 1922), and is regularly considered one of the greatest documentaries of all time. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   I would support adding Bowling for Columbine as well. Iostn (talk) 23:25, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss

Add Rome, Open City

"Open City is considered one of the most important and representative works of Italian neorealism  5, and an important stepping stone for Italian filmmaking as a whole."

Support

1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. --Thi (talk) 14:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1. We already have a better, much more famous representative for Italian neorealism with Bicycle Thieves  4. We probably don't need 2. And even with the expanded quota, our film section is so small that we should probably only be listing unambiguous classics or widely-known films. It doesn't even have a Legacy section. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:47, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   I am explicitly proposing films because I think the section is disproprtionately small compared to video games (which is at ~100), when films have been around for much longer (1890s vs 1970s) and have built up much more cultural influence over time. Besides, Bicycle Thieves is listed a tier above this already. Iostn (talk) 18:32, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   I agree that films should have more representation especially when compared to video games (I have a track record of complaining about how many video game articles we have), I just don't think this is anywhere close to being one of the best candidates. Aurangzebra (talk) 18:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss

Add Get Out

Maybe recent(ist), but this has already risen as one of the most highly-regarded films of the 21st century, and has had an impact on "conscious" trends in film in recent years.

Support

1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1. We're over quota in Level 5. While we are still adding broadly relevant concepts like Voting  5, I can't support adding one-off films like this one. starship.paint 13:14, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

   VA5 is currently below quota, its only has 49,958 as of the latest update. Iostn (talk) 15:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   But Arts is over-quota at 3,322/3,300. Currently specific films are at 199, and customarily we had at the number of vital films at 200. I would support your suggestions, if paired with films to swap. Makkool (talk) 16:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   I was actually personally in favour of a higher quota for films, given we had one of 105 for video games which is a much more recent medium and therefore one with less titles that are as culturally influential, but I can propose some other removals from Arts. Iostn (talk) 19:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   Jumping into this quite late but I would support removing video games in favor of adding more movies. I think our massive list of video game articles reflects the demographics of VA5 voters as opposed to all Wikipedia users whereas movies are a more global phenomenon. Aurangzebra (talk) 06:34, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   @Iostn:, I stand corrected, I did not know about the recent update. Still, I agree with Makkool. starship.paint 08:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Discuss

Add Pather Panchali

One of the most important films in the history of Indian cinema, which is also the largest in the world in terms of number of films produced.

Support

1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. --Thi (talk) 14:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. As far as I'm aware, we don't list a single Indian movie. We definitely should have one and this is probably the best candidate since Satyajit Ray  4 has been highly influential in global cinema. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   There is The Apu Trilogy  4 at least.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 20:19, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   Oh completely missed that. As the most famous movie in that trilogy, I'll still support this proposal. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:34, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   And there's Sholay  5 and Dilwale Dulhania Le Jayenge  5 too. Makkool (talk) 20:40, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add Shrek

Add Koyaanisqatsi

For the "art film" subsection, this is one of the most well-known non-narrative essay films of its kind, is highly-acclaimed and also went on to influence works such as Baraka (film). Also highly notable for its score by Philip Glass  4, from the music section; "The music has become so popular that the Philip Glass Ensemble has toured the world, playing the music for Koyaanisqatsi live in front of the movie screen".

Support

1. Nom Iostn (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add Close Encounters of the Third Kind

Another one of the most influential science fiction films of all time.

Support

1. Nom Iostn (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:35, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add Ring (film)

Big landmark in the overseas influence of Japanese horror cinema, and can be considered a big part of the resurgence of Japanese pop cultural influence in the 1990s and early 2000s.

Support

1. Nom Iostn (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Remove Text comics

Remove Burnishing (pottery)

Remove Bone carving  5

Swap Panoramic painting with Chiaroscuro  5

Swap Coiling (pottery) with Objet d'art

Swap Hardstone carving  5 with Trompe-l'œil

Replacing a minor form of art with another well known art concept.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 22:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Remove Figure painting  5

Any painting depicting the human figure. Only four interwikis and low view count. Could this be too vague concept to be vital?

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 22:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Remove Sand art and play  5 or move to Everyday life

Sand art and playing with sand are in the same article. Sand art is not vital, but making sand castles could be. Should we remove it or move under Play (activity)  3?

Support

1. Support remove as nom. Makkool (talk) 22:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1. Oppose removal sand art is a tad niche but still somewhat widespread, plus the article including playing with sand I think it passes the threshold for vitality. The Blue Rider 11:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss

It’s a subtopic of young adulthood. Interstellarity (talk) 11:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 11:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Important state of like between toddlerhood and middle childhood. Interstellarity (talk) 11:24, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 11:24, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:36, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

A major part of the insurance industry. Place under Insurance.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:06, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Still hard to believe Warranty  5 wasn't even V5 a year ago. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 23:26, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Major branch of financial services with massive companies. Aszx5000 (talk) 19:26, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 05:08, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add Behavioral economics

48 interwikis, high-importance in economics and business Wikiprojects. The ideas presented by the research in this subfield have been used by governments (see the article for nudge theory) and corporations and many famous VA5 economists such as Daniel Kahneman  5 and Richard Thaler  5 have won Nobel Prizes in Economics for their contributions to the field. Also in the public conscious due to being the subject of many chart-topping pop science books such as Thinking Fast and Slow.

Support

1. As nominator. Aurangzebra (talk) 06:11, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:22, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 11:56, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. per nom. starship.paint 03:42, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
5. Per nom. Aszx5000 (talk) 22:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

• @The Blue Rider: I think you mentioned that you would support a proposal like this so bringing it to your attention. Aurangzebra (talk) 18:31, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I did recommend somewhere to add this, thanks. The Blue Rider 11:56, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Mechanism design

Only 19 interwikis but a critical subfield of economics. It is the study of finding a way to structure an event such that the outcome optimizes a desired social choice function. This is applied to market design (such as spectrum auctions or student matching programs like the National Resident Matching Program), politics (with voting theory), and even computer networking. Maybe not that well-known outside economics but influential enough in everyday life to warrant a spot.

Support

1. As nominator. Aurangzebra (talk) 06:11, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Redundant, as we already list Multiplayer video game  5 and Massively multiplayer online role-playing game  5.

Support both

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose both

1. Would much rather remove said articles they would be redundant to or History of online games  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 16:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Online game is distinct enough from multiplayer game IMO, since local multiplayer has existed for much longer and remains popular, and MMORPG should be removed before MMO. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:37, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mixed

Discuss

1. I personally would have chosen to remove {[VA link|Massively multiplayer online role-playing game}}, since that would have been covered enough in Massively multiplayer online game  5. λ NegativeMP1 18:33, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. I chose to keep MMORPG, because that is overwhelmingly the most common type of MMOG. We list World of Warcraft  5, but I don't think we have any vital non-rpg MMOGs. Makkool (talk) 18:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Superpower describes a state or supranational union that holds a dominant position characterized by the ability to exert influence or project power on a global scale. A great power is a sovereign state that is recognized as having the ability and expertise to exert its influence on a global scale. A Middle power is a state that is not a superpower or a great power, but still exerts influence and plays a significant role in international relations. These three concepts are used very often to describe countries in geopolitical discussions, which most of you are probably familiar with. All three pages are class articles. Superpower has 1,075 daily average page views, Great power has 885 Daily average page views, and Middle power has 481. While page views aren't the only metric to use, this does show the pages do get some attention.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 18:21, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. As Nom GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 18:21, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Support great power, superpower. The Blue Rider 18:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Support great power, superpower per nom. starship.paint 07:56, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
4. Support great power, superpower. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:09, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1. Oppose middle power; would prefer to add regional power since it is a more commonly used terminology in International Relations. The Blue Rider 18:28, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss

@The Blue Rider:, I know that page views are not the best metric for importance, but regional power has an average of 168 daily page views compared to the 481 for Middle power linked above. This made me think that Middle power was the more popular term. Do you have a source on this? Also, a regional power can include great powers and middle powers in my understanding, so the two terms are not synonyms. What defines a regional power will depend on the relative power of the region it is in. Therefore, this could be "both" situation rather then "either-or," and we could try to get both regional and middle power listed. Do you have a source for which one is "more commonly used" in international relations?GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My source is my International Relations' bachelor's; from the literature I have read, regional power is used more often than middle power. Google Ngram agrees with me as well. The Blue Rider 12:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll remember Google Ngram as a source for this! Thanks for responding! I have a minor in national security, and wrote a term paper on "Middle powers" back during undergrad. As one of the only geographers in the course, I was focused on the "super power", "great power", "middle power", and "Small powers." My career has taken me far from this area of study, so I'm not exactly an expert.

I would argue based on what I'm seeing now that the "powers" I listed are based on global influence, while "regional power" would be local geographic. A power like China, (Which is debatably a superpower, and obviously a great power), is more of a "regional power" in terms of military. Thus, a country can be both a middle power and regional power, or a middle power but not a major regional power, such as the situation with Canada where they are overshadowed in many ways by their neighbor to the south. I'm not really married to that opinion though. We may need to consider adding the page Power (international relations). GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 18:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Most academics argue that world is now multipolar, the United States is losing its status as the sole superpower, China and European Union are ascending to the ranking of superpower. That seems like a good suggestion, there are plenty of other important topics missing from International Relations: hard power, soft power, smart power, realism (international relations), Idealism in international relations, Constructivism (international relations), realpolitik, among many others. The Blue Rider 18:37, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• On the subject of middle powers, should we remove all countries from V3 that do not fall into at least that category? Is the DRC vital for more than just population? Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • I would not feel comfortable weighing in on that question one way or the other, that is quite the debate. Just clearly defining what countries are true "Middle Powers" is beyond the literature I'm aware of on the topic, which is admi. Nobody even agrees what the superpowers are, or the great powers (check the talk pages, even with sources people will fight tooth an nail over who they think should or should not be included). It could also be argued that a country is vital for more reasons then it's ability to influence geopolitics on the global stage, and that millions of people with a unique culture and government are "vital." On the DRC, the Wikipedia page notes that "The DRC is widely considered one of the world's richest countries in natural resources; its untapped deposits of raw minerals are estimated to be worth in excess of US$24 trillion. The DRC has 70% of the world's coltan, a third of its cobalt, more than 30% of its diamond reserves, and a tenth of its copper." I suspect most countries have stuff that jumps out like this that would make them "vital" to understanding geopolitics. I would likely set something like "The top 100 by population, top 100 by GDP, top 100 by land area, and all states with nuclear weapons can be included as "V3"" if I was going to have an actual rule for how to sort inclusion of countries. You could adjust the numbers if you want, but I bet that would get you slightly around 120 of the 195 countries. I don't have much of a strong opinion on this though.

  GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 05:46, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I would support a few more countries at V3, namely Iraq, Peru, Afghanistan, Morocco, and possibly Austria, but I'd prefer regions over some mid-sized countries, such as Scandinavia  4 instead of Sweden, definitely the Balkans  4 instead of Romania or Greece, Central America  4 instead of Guatemala, Central Asia  4 instead of Kazakhstan, etc. My main priority for V3 is adding more cities. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 22:00, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not a particularly influential abolitionist text.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 04:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Per nom., article has low page views.Makkool (talk) 09:00, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Per nom. Aszx5000 (talk) 22:33, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1. Actually, the article said that it influenced several works, including Uncle Tom's Cabin  4, continued having influence into the 21st century, and helped recruit people for the abolitionist movement. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:31, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss

The influence and capability of a state in the international stage. Hard power and soft power are the two main ways of exerting power by states. Mentioned in #Add Superpower, Great power, and Middle power to Politics under Political Science, or something similar. above.

Support

1. As nominator. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:43, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Support hard power and soft power; the power article should already be sufficiently covered by these two. The Blue Rider 11:00, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Support hard power and soft power per TBR. starship.paint (RUN) 08:59, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Per nom. Aszx5000 (talk) 22:36, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

This only really seems to be listed for being the most expensive work by the artist, whereas his most well-known is the also-listed Nighthawks (Hopper)  5.

Support

1. As nom. Iostn (talk) 16:35, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Swap for Chop suey. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Makkool (talk) 18:25, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
5. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:37, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Important library that's missing. May support swap with Boston Public Library which is nominated above. Interstellarity (talk) 00:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Support swap with BPL Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 17:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Support swap Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Supporting swap with BPL. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:39, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

1. I'd support a swap, but not a straight addition. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Parent topic to Board game and Card game. Interstellarity (talk) 23:54, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 23:54, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. per nom., we need the parent topic too Makkool (talk) 18:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

We recently listed Namco  5 and Sega  5 as vital articles, and while those listings are definitely warranted, that places video games as having equal representation in Film, television, video game, and music production as film which are far more widespread and long-lasting than video games. To compensate, I propose the addition of the two American Major film studios that aren't already listed: Warner Bros. and Paramount Pictures.

Support

1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 06:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 11:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Support both as the guy who tried nominating Paramount Pictures.SailorGardevoir (talk) 08:19, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. per nom. starship.paint 05:59, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
5. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
6. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 12:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
7. Supporting both. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Putting a note here I just now noticed the earlier nomination for Paramount Pictures to get added. Not going to change this since its got more than Paramount Pictures, though. λ NegativeMP1 18:10, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Closed and archived that. starship.paint 05:59, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Add Applause  5

Add Cheering

Common Nonverbal communication  4. 6 interwikis. starship.paint 14:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. as nom. starship.paint 14:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. λ NegativeMP1 18:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:31, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1. Not a vital concept, more like a dictionary entry. The Blue Rider 23:11, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Per The Blue Rider, plus I think listing Cheerleading  5 adequately covers the concept as applied to real life. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss

Add Booing  5

Remove Environmental communication

Add Frown  5

Add Wink  5

Add Blushing

Common Nonverbal communication  4. 31 interwikis. starship.paint 14:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. as nom. starship.paint 14:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. λ NegativeMP1 18:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 19:21, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:41, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

A very important concept in accounting and finance. Place under Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Politics and economics#Accounting. It doesn't make sense for us to list Cash flow statement  5 but not Cash flow.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:34, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

The former derives from the Labour theory of value, a more foundational theory, employed in Classical economics  5 and Political economy  5, not to mention in Marxism  4. The latter provides an overview of theories of value.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 07:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. per nom. starship.paint 15:10, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

An essential concept in the task management of organizations. The Vital Articles project is an example of this.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 07:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. per nom. starship.paint 15:10, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
3. Wikipedia itself is one big project. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
5. Supporting. How wasn't this already added? JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:46, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

A stretch to list them under organized crime. We could move them to subcultures but their numbers have dwindled in past decades.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 07:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. per nom. starship.paint 07:51, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Aszx5000 (talk) 22:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1. I don't think being smaller numbers in than they used to be is necessarily a good reason for removal. Iostn (talk) 07:13, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss

Competition climbing is now a full Olympic sport and we have lots of BLPs that are Category:Competition climbers including other sub-articles for competition climbing. Bouldering  5 is one of the three disciplines of competition climbing, and is already VA5. Sport climbing  5 is another one of the three disciplines of competition climbing, and is also VA5. We should probably also have Speed climbing, the third discipline of competition climbing, at VA5 as well, but let us try to get competition climbing at VA5 first. Aszx5000 (talk) 21:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. as nom. Aszx5000 (talk) 21:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. per nom. (a necessary umbrella term) Makkool (talk) 11:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1. The specific forms of climbing might be vital, but the concept, not sport, of competition climbing is not. The Blue Rider 11:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss

Surprised this hasn't already been made vital. What is supposed to be an article regarding a worldwide view of education related to indigenous topics, is in dire need of improvement and recognition; the topic is becoming increasingly relevant as indigenous history becomes more widely taught.

Support

1. as nom. B3251 (talk) 01:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. I think this is a rare case where a subject being "niche" is why it should be listed. Many people didn't teach it (if not fought to destroy the mere concept of people learning about those people) for centuries and that's why it's "niche", which isn't a good thing. The subject is objectively important enough for V5. λ NegativeMP1 13:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   Whether or not it is a bad thing being niche, it doesn't invalidate that it has close to zero impact on society. The Blue Rider 13:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   The teaching of indigenous history/topics/culture absolutely has an impact on society as it is essential to the preservation of knowledge about [[Indigenous peoples]] worldwide. Retaining the understanding of human culture and history throughout most of the world prior to colonization is one of the largest reasons why we know about human culture in parts of the world that eventually were colonized today. Indigenous topics are quite underrepresented in Vital Articles. B3251_(talk) 20:11, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1. Niche type of education. The Blue Rider 01:02, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss

The management of government revenue, expenditures, and debt is a core area of government. Despite its name, this should squarely go into the State structure and administration section.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Per nom. In many large countries, public finance is almost half the economy. Aszx5000 (talk) 16:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

The article could use some work but this is one of the most popular college majors globally. Paraphrasing from the Master of Business Administration  5 article, areas of business administration include accounting, applied statistics, human resources, business communication, business ethics, business law, strategic management, business strategy, finance, managerial economics, management, entrepreneurship, marketing, supply-chain management, and operations management in a manner most relevant to management analysis and strategy.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Per nom. Aszx5000 (talk) 16:41, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 22:39, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

A common feature of authoritarian regimes. Even accusations of fraud can have wide-ranging political, social, and legal effects.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. per nom. starship.paint. 02:17, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Aszx5000 (talk) 16:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. As an American, I can confirm the second sentence of the nomination. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:39, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
5. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

A part of International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement  3. The ICRC is a humanitarian organization with a significant impact to human rights globally and a three-time Nobel prize laureate. The oldest and most honored organization in the Red Cross.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add Economic system

As an umbrella term for Market economy  5 (and possibly others).

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add Planned economy

Historically used economic system in the socialist states. To be paired with Market economy  5.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add Mixed economy

Blending of elements from planned and market economies. In use today in many parts of the world, like the Nordic model or China's socialist market economy.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Per nominator. Arguably every country can be classified as such. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Yes, this is a pretty widespread video game subject, but its also fringe enough to fall on the lines of trivia. Is the idea of an achievement necessary to an encyclopedic definition of video games?

Support

1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 20:52, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Makkool (talk) 11:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Doesn't seem necessary when we list the more broad Virtual camera system  5.

Support

1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 20:52, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. Makkool (talk) 11:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

• @NegativeMP1 and Makkool: It seems like the virtual camera system article is specific to third-person games, thus making it so that there is no overlap. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:56, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm not sure why I thought the virtual camera system included a first person view... either way, I'm not sure if this is an absolutely necessary topic, but I guess I'm neutral on it now. λ NegativeMP1 16:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This song was added without consensus by @TDKR Chicago 101:, before obviously being reverted, so I'm giving it a fair discussion. In my opinion, while this is a semi-important work, I'm not sure if it's really "vital" worthy, and there's songs/albums I'd list before it (I still think one Taylor Swift  4 album and Never Gonna Give You Up could be added), and I'm only creating this discussion as to give the proposal a fair chance.

Support

Oppose

1. Not in Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Songs of All Time Makkool (talk) 15:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It technically is, granted it's at 36th. λ NegativeMP1 16:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, okay. I was going by a very cursory search. Didn't try to mislead anyone else, just tried to convince myself for my intuition to not include this. #36 is still a low enough to keep opposing. Makkool (talk) 18:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral

1. As the nom. λ NegativeMP1 12:50, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss

• "Can't Help Falling in Love" was also added by him in the same instance. Makkool (talk) 18:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Meh, I didn't make a discussion for that one because I knew for a fact it didn't stand a chance in a real discussion. At least Seven Nation Army had some merit. λ NegativeMP1 15:59, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• About your comments about other albums and songs to add, I would support adding Never Gonna Give You Up. I would say it's pretty well known for pop music. As for Taylor Swift, I would agree but the problem is that which one is going to be hard. They're all well known, but they're pretty similar. I think it would boiled down to 1989 or Red. 49p (talk) 02:01, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I agree with everything you said, though my rationale for NGGYU isn't entirely because it's recognizable, but because it'd be an example of an Internet meme. As for a Taylor Swift album, I agree it's between 1989 and Red. I strongly believe that a V4 singer should have at least one work listed at V5. I tried to get 1989 added a few weeks ago, though it didn't get any responses and I withdrew it. Maybe Red would be better due to it technically being higher on the best albums list from Rolling Stone. λ NegativeMP1 02:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Bokmål  5 and Nynorsk  5

Official written standards of the Norwegian language. Norwegian is only V5, spoken by 4-5 million people, and the general article explains both of them in detail.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Remove Nauruan language  5

Unlike other Austronesian languages, this one is entirely concentrated in the Island of Nauru. By far the least spoken language from this group we list. It has less than 10,000 speakers.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Remove Business English  5

Sparse article. I could wager this type of education is on the decline as countries increasingly have a larger pool of people who learn English through media, school, etc.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. As someone who had business english classes I am surprising by the little amount of interwikis, I thought it was a more widespread type of education. Support per nominator. The Blue Rider 11:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Remove Lifestyle journalism  5 and Radical media  5

Minor areas/concepts in journalism and media. Low pageviews and interwikis suggest these are not frequently used.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Fyi we also list Alternative media  5 which covers similar ground to radical media Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Remove One Man's Family  5 and People Are Funny  5

Long-running, but frankly these shows appear to be more or less forgotten, at least compared to the others we list.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Remove International Broadcasting Convention  5

Trade show for the TV industry. The article does not assert much vitality. 2 intewikis

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Remove CSI (franchise)  5

It’s proven a little hard to reduce the television section, even though it’s been voiced that we have too many shows, so this is my only proposal here. We already have CSI: Crime Scene Investigation  5, which spawned the franchise.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 11:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Remove List of fashion magazines  5 and List of humor magazines  5

I suppose it’s not impossible to turn these into comprehensive articles, but I agree that most list articles are too informal for a VA.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Lists don't have a place in the Wikipedai since they can't even be brought to GA status. The Blue Rider 11:38, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Remove Better Homes and Gardens (magazine)  5

Possibly included because the article states its “the fourth most widely circulated magazine in the United States”. Nowadays it’s the fifth, and magazines 2-4 don’t even have articles, let alone are VAs.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Remove Human skull symbolism  5

This one stood out for me because it’s the only “symbolism of x” we have. Too sparse for a VA.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Swap Writers Guild of America, East  5 and Writers Guild of America West  5 with Writers Guild of America

There are meaningful differences between them, but two slots are excessive. We list only six individual labor unions in the politics and economics section, though I would agree we should have more.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

1. Two may seem excessive, but afaict they were never a single organization and the umbrella article as such is sparse. In any case, it should be moved with the other labour unions.

We got a lot of Bach on here. I think we can get rid of one or two works Like this one, which only has two interwikis.

Support

1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. λ NegativeMP1 04:34, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Makkool (talk) 13:18, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

1. Not entirely related to the nomination, but why do we use "X should be removed because it only has Y interwikis!" as a removal rationale? I see the reason why we use it, since it theoretically suggests a lack of worldwide influence, but it also seems to have some overlap with the fact that, if I recall correctly, redlinks as vital articles is technically allowed. That rules existence seems to directly contradict these types of rationales by implying a subject can be important regardless of whether or not a Wikipedia has it. λ NegativeMP1 02:06, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   I think that rule should probably be removed. SailorGardevoir (talk) 04:08, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When I nominated 1989 for V5 status (which I withdrew after it got no responses after a week), I stated that if a Taylor Swift  4 album were to be added, it had to be either that one or Red. I think that nearly all subjects at Vital 4 should have at least one subtopic at Vital 5, and that includes Taylor. So I'll give nominating this one a shot.

Backstory aside, this album received equal or higher critical acclaim than 1989, and appeared on several "best albums of the 2010's" lists with higher average placements than 1989 (its also been considered one of the most important albums of the decade). Out of her original six albums, Red has the highest rating on Metacritic, and her 2021 re-recording of the album is her highest rated work overall (91/100). It's her highest placed album on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums of All Time at 99 (for context, 1989 was 383). It's also her first album with songs that reached #1 on charts and is believed to have inspired a generation of indie artists. I'd say this is right on the mark for a V5 album, maybe even more than 1989?

Support

1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 05:21, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. 49p (talk) 01:01, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Weak support for now; we don't list enough entries under "pop" relative to "rock" imo Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1. Too recent. We lack many albums from female artist that have "greatest album of all time" status, like Hounds of Love. Makkool (talk) 13:18, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   For the record, I'd support the addition of those as well if one were to make the proposals. λ NegativeMP1 17:23, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral

Discuss

Remove Corporate capitalism  5

This doesn't even really refer to an ideology as much as it is simply a phrase used to refer to the practices of large companies, or a state where large companies exist under capitalism - which is just capitalism, most of the time.

Support

1. Nom. Iostn (talk) 14:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Makkool (talk) 14:12, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:32, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Remove Black conservatism  5

A weirdly niche and specific concept to list at VA5, definitely not one of the fundamental political ideologies to list here.

Support

1. Nom. Iostn (talk) 14:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Makkool (talk) 14:12, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:32, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Remove Cultural conservatism  5

Very similar to Social conservatism  5, which is also listed here and is a more commonly-used term.

Support

1. Nom. Iostn (talk) 14:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Makkool (talk) 14:12, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:32, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Remove Market fundamentalism

Add Ultranationalism

Alas, very influential as a political phenomenon, both historically and currently, across the world.

Support

1. Nom. Iostn (talk) 14:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. λ NegativeMP1 06:12, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add Separatism

Overlaps with Secession  5, but the beliefs driving it are also very important to discuss in their own right

Support

1. Nom. Iostn (talk) 14:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Makkool (talk) 14:12, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Remove Secularism in France  5

We don't list articles on secularism in other countries.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 03:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Remove Separation of church and state in the United States  5

We don't list articles on the separation of church and state in other countries.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 03:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Swap Civil naming ceremony  5 with Naming ceremony

Naming ceremony covers both religious and secular types.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Remove Secular coming-of-age ceremony  5

A niche and specific concept to list at VA5, plus it's covered by Coming of age  5.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 03:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

I think the site in general is more vital than the twin towers themselves. Interstellarity (talk) 19:49, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 19:49, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. λ NegativeMP1 03:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1. Oppose removal, the twin towers were absolutely vital for their architecture. Makkool (talk) 09:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. What? Are you saying that the World Trade Center which had a massive impact on the foreign and domestic policy of the USA isn't vital but instead the plot of land is?! The Blue Rider 16:45, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. per Makkool. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral

Discussion

1. Where do you think this article about the site would be placed? If it's about a plot of land in New York, it can't be in architecture with other buildings. Makkool (talk) 09:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There was some indication to remove this instead of Asteroids (video game)  5 in an earlier proposal of mine. With that and Space Invaders  5 already listed, I think arcade-era shooters may be slightly overrepresented. Galaga's contributions/influence seem iterative rather than revolutionary; it's acclaimed, yes, but we've already removed games for mere acclaim (like the more famous Planescape: Torment and Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (video game)). It has references in pop culture, but that either doesn't convince me it deserves to be listed ahead of the likes of Prince of Persia, Diablo (series), Fate/stay night, Ace Attorney...

Support

1. As nom.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 10:50, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. per nom. Makkool (talk) 11:08, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Weak support, I would oppose if the company Namco  5 wasn't vital, but since it is, I guess their influence is fairly well covered here. Pac-Man  5 is definitely vital, though. λ NegativeMP1 17:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Speaking of Pac-Man, it would be my first pick if another video game or franchise was listed at V4. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 19:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
5. I would say this is among the least important games we haven't removed yet. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:06, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
6. Weak support only because Space Invaders is already listed. Then again, if Frogger was removed, then so can this. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:52, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Has few interwikis (only 8) and lacks the historicity or ubiquity of Toy soldier, which is unlisted _pbp 17:35, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. _pbp 17:35, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. λ NegativeMP1 17:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Support swap with the more general Toy soldier. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 19:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Support swap with toy soldier or Tin soldier. Makkool (talk) 05:19, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1. Toys don't have a lot of interwikis even if they are pretty famous. Even after Piotrus proposals we are still underrepresented in toys; we have space for army man and toy solider, support addition the latter. The Blue Rider 03:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Ethnic group and language of the Caucuses, pop ~400,000

Support

1. _pbp 18:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1. There are far larger ethnic groups that are unlisted, and Culture is already highly over quota. Iostn (talk) 00:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

1. Could you explain more why you would consider it a vital article? We are over-quota in the Culture section, so I would support a swap instead of a straight add. Makassar people has the lowest view-count of all peoples we list, which could be one contender. Makkool (talk) 05:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I get that we already have Saturday Night Fever (soundtrack)  5, but this is easily the first disco song most people will name.

Support

1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 07:39, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Support swap with Saturday Night Fever (soundtrack)  5. The song is far more vital than the soundtrack album. Makkool (talk) 08:51, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   I have to disagree with the idea of swapping this out with the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack. The soundtrack is one of the best-selling albums of all time (we're talking an estimate of 40 million units worldwide), and both it and the film are responsible for bringing disco to the mainstream. SailorGardevoir (talk) 09:33, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   We also list Saturday Night Fever  5 the movie. And three articles for any cultural work is too much in my opinion. I still think the soundtrack album is the least vital for these three. Makkool (talk) 11:11, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

3. Support add, no opinion on swapping. λ NegativeMP1 16:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Support add, oppose swap per reasons above. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:55, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

A long lasting, widespread tradition in families from Spanish speaking countries and regions that seems to be getting more popular each year. Seems to be a fair choice for V5. Would go in "Festivals, holidays, and observances."

Support

1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 18:33, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discussion

We have a lot of American TV shows, but it was extremely difficult to find one to remove. I ended up settling on this one. It only won two awards, had little influence on pop culture, and it only has seven interwikis. It seems to only be on the list due to high ratings received during its original run. This spot would be much better used by a show like Stargate, which is much more popular and influential, or a show like Soul Train which had a lasting impact on something.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:05, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   Note: I would be fine with a swap with Soul Train here, and I nominated Stargate below. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:15, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2. Support per nom. Would support a swap with Soul Train too. Makkool (talk) 14:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Swap with Soul Train. SailorGardevoir (talk) 21:04, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Iostn (talk) 00:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

The show that started the franchise was proposed by Piotrus a while back, but was unsuccessful. However, I think we should revisit adding the franchise. Not including this franchise on the list with many of the things we do list is a major oversight. Three shows in the franchise have an awards list separate from the main article, the franchise injected a billion dollars into the British Columbian economy (not every day a media franchise has a major economic impact), and we even have a separate article on the Stargate fandom! 34 interwikis with the first film having 46 and SG-1 having 48, rated High-Importance by WikiProject Television, WikiProject Media Franchises, and WikiProject Science Fiction.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Iostn (talk) 00:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Widely taught in schools. Interstellarity (talk) 22:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. How did we forget this! Makkool (talk) 06:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Iostn (talk) 00:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
5. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

It feels bizarre that we list at least six albums from The Beatles  3, but only one from Michael Jackson  3. He is the most important pop artist of all time, like how the Beatles is the most important rock band of all time, and so the two should be a bit more equal (especially since they're both V3). Also, pop could use a bit more representation in comparison to rock. So I'm nominating Bad, Jackson's second most popular and important album, to level it out a little bit more. Sure, its not as important as Thriller (album)  4, but this V5 and not V4 and I'd argue it's more important than listing Billie Jean  5 as an individual song, and its still influential.

On a side note, surely we could reduce albums from the Beatles to 3 or 4 to prevent over-representation right? Right now they're the modern artist/band with the most listed albums. Something separate to discuss.

Support

1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 04:59, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Also in favor of Off the Wall and "I Want You Back".SailorGardevoir (talk) 09:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Also support Off the Wall. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:33, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 00:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1. Bad was popular, but "Off the Wall" was more influential. "writers have hailed it [Off the Wall] a landmark release of the disco era and, along with his next album Thriller (1982), among the greatest albums in history" Makkool (talk) 06:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   I'll make a separate nomination for Off the Wall another date then, I feel like we can have both. λ NegativeMP1 06:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral

Discussion

We currently have no listed examples of an Indie game  5 (not counting the recent proposal of adding Stardew Valley) or one of Video games as an art form. Papers, Please is a game that ticks both boxes. And if this helps, it is considered one the best video games ever made and is one of the more successful indie games in terms of sales numbers (5 million units, compared to the recently removed Undertale's 1 million). Sure, it's not as well known as some other indie games and could be considered too recent, but influence ≠ popularity here and I think its proven itself worthy of being included for the sake of representation.

Support

1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 01:40, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Weak support; one could count Minecraft as an indie game (and the most important one at that) prior to Microsoft's acquisition. Needless to say, there's room for 2-3 indie games at V5, and I would prefer this over Stardew Valley. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 02:47, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Support adding to represent video games as art Makkool (talk) 12:40, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Support. 49p (talk) 18:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1. Popular, but more broadly, still too niche. Also not really convinced of its broader influence. Iostn (talk) 00:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. If we need to list an example of an indie game, shouldn't it be something more heavily influential like Undertale, Terraria or Touhou Project? 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   First of all, this nomination is also based on representation of video games as an art form and not exclusively indie representation. I think we have room for one or two more indie games besides this one. Second of all, Undertale was removed in the past by an overwhelming consensus of 8-1, Terraria just sold a lot of units (though I wouldn't be opposed to it necessarily since it's the best selling indie game), and Touhou Projects main games in the series have only sold double digit units with little global impact and a cult community. A game that would actually be worthy of addition based on "influence" would be a game like Hotline Miami or Braid (video game), the former of which I may nominate some day. λ NegativeMP1 01:52, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   I think Stardew Valley should be listed. I'm considering renominating it in the near future without the horrible swap choice I made. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:07, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

3. I don't think we need special consideration to "Indie" games at all. An influential video game will stand out regardless of the developer. Stardew Valley for example is a very popular game that happens to have an indie developer. What makes it vital is its popularity, not who made it.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:27, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral

Discuss

BioShock  5 seems to be considered a example of games as an art form? Kevinishere15 (talk) 02:26, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Papers, Please used to be listed but was a casualty when the specific games list was purged down from 135+ entries. It was an imperfect (but still mostly good) process, some entries may be worth re-adding. Currently undecided on this one.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:32, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should be level 4 alongside head of state. Just as important as that article. Interstellarity (talk) 22:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

A common type of government found throughout the world. Interstellarity (talk) 22:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Glaring omission; support. The Blue Rider 16:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:59, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

A common type of government found throughout the world. Interstellarity (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Glaring omission; support. The Blue Rider 16:54, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Another common type of government, which divides the powers between the president, prime-minister and a cabinet. The Blue Rider 16:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 17:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Good proposal. Interstellarity (talk) 18:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

• @Interstellarity:, you might be interested in this proposal. The Blue Rider 16:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @The Blue Rider: Thanks for proposing. Interstellarity (talk) 18:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These two terms are important in the legal system. Interstellarity (talk) 22:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

These seem to be better additions than my nomination for the plot of land. Interstellarity (talk) 00:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1. Too recent to assess their vitality in architecture. Makkool (talk) 08:53, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral

Discussion

The song is not only vital for being recognizable, but also for being an example of an Internet meme  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:47, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. As nom. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:47, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. I feel like you could argue that this is the most widely recognizable pop song not on this list or in an album on this list, so even taking out the fact it'd primarily represent internet meme culture this song still makes a case for itself. As for whether or not Rickrolling itself is more vital, I'm personally choosing the song since I believe its popular enough even not as a meme, but I'm also not opposed to having Rickrolling itself only. λ NegativeMP1 02:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Support. I'd argue this one of the 3 most popular modern music songs of all time (alongside Bohemian Rhapsody  5 and We Will Rock You, with Billie Jean  5 extremely close behind). JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:07, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1. Support Rickrolling instead. Makkool (talk) 21:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral

Discussion

@NegativeMP1: You may be interested in this proposal. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:47, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would Rickrolling make more sense? Is the meme more vital than the actual song? Makkool (talk) 08:52, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To Social studies/Society, under Emergency service -3df (talk) 10:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. 3df (talk) 10:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

As my previous proposal didn't get traction, and one editor expressed interest in removing these articles instead, I decided to open this alternative proposal. I still haven't changed my own stance to support, but I'd like to have this up for discussion.

Remove Multiplayer video game

Support

Oppose

1. More vital than Online game  5, if we decide to keep only one. Makkool (talk) 11:41, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Definitely not. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:36, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Multiplayer has been a part of video games since Pong  5 and the earliest video game consoles that were exclusively that game. If we could only list 50 video game related articles period in a hypothetical scenario, this should still be in that 50. λ NegativeMP1 05:33, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Strong oppose removal, one of the most important game concepts. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:37, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss

Remove MMORPG

Support

1. Too specific, MMORPG is covered by listing MMO and RPG in my opinion. World of Warcraft is also an MMO, not just an MMORPG. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:35, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1. Because we list World of Warcraft  5 Makkool (talk) 11:41, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Per Makkool, despite my thoughts that led to this proposal in the first place (sorry). I feel like we're at the point where there are no more video game concepts we can remove (excluding the currently nominated ones), as we've gotten it down to a decent number and now its down to trying to find replacements that are more worthy of "vitality". λ NegativeMP1 05:33, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss

Remove Fundamental Laws of England  5

Low page views and zero interwikis suggest this is not a favored classification. The treatise by William Blackstone, from which this originates, looks more influential.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Remove, and we should add the book it came from. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Remove High Court of Justice  5

“Together with the Court of Appeal and the Crown Court, are the Senior Courts of England and Wales” Covered by Courts of England and Wales  5

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Remove Court of Session  5

Similar to the above. Supreme Civil Court of Scotland. It has some interesting faculties but is technically subject to the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom  5.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Makkool (talk) 08:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Remove United States Tax Court  5

Judicial body that resolves disputes arising from actions or interpretations by the Internal Revenue Service. Just two interwikis. I would list the IRS first.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Support swap with IRS Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 19:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Swap with IRS, which should definitely be listed first. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:26, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Swap with IRS. Kevinishere15 (talk) 19:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
5. Swap with IRS. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Remove Lists of legislation  5

Suffers from the problems of most list articles: sparse, informal, not comprehensive.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Not only is it a list, it is a list of lists. There is no good reason to list it. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Makkool (talk) 08:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Remove Inns of Chancery  5 and King's Inns  5

The former played a role in fostering legal education and professional standards but was not necessarily more important than similar organizations from other countries. Ditto for the latter. Low page views and interwikis as well.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Makkool (talk) 08:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Remove Citizens United v. FEC  5

If I am following correctly, this started because a conservative nonprofit wanted to air a documentary critical of Hillary Clinton during the 2008 U.S. election cycle. It led to some changes in campaign finance law and I can believe it was controversial, but I don’t see how this stands out compared to other landmark decisions by the United States Supreme Court.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1. Recent, but with overwhelming and controversial influence on the current state of affairs in US politics 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss

• @Tabu Makiadi: I haven't made up my mind as to whether we should list this yet, but I am leaning towards oppose. The influence of this ruling was the creation of the modern system of Super PACs that can rake in millions of dollars to spend on a candidate, and allow lobbyists to circumvent typical spending limits. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:31, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One of the most well-known songs of all time, with over 14 billion views on YouTube. This song has had a large influence on popular culture, and nearly everybody has heard of it.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. It might be a bit reccent, but this is the most viewed YouTube video of all time, by a significant margin (over 6 billion views!). It would also basically represent the "new age" of childrens music that has only become more prominent with each passing year. Hell, it would represent childrens music in general on this list, since I believe the only childrens song we list at present is Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star  5. λ NegativeMP1 02:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Weak support due to its cultural impact and popularity, but only if at least one of Old MacDonald or The Wheels on the Bus are added as well. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:12, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Unconditional support, a song we didn't grow up with isn't automatically less important than the ones we had decades ago. Media based on Baby Shark is currently redefining the whole early childhood entertainment industry and spawning a Korean megacharacter. There are certainly English-language nursery rhymes that should be listed as well, and Wikipedia as a whole is doing an unusually poor job with representing children's entertainment (that is a red link at the time of writing). 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1. I'd add "Old MacDonald Had a Farm" rather than this. Makkool (talk) 20:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   @Makkool: I would support adding that song if you proposed it. Is there any reason you are opposed to adding Baby Shark? It is very well-known. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   Mostly because we don't really have the space for it. We are over-quota in the Arts section. To me, "Baby Shark"'s popularity seems like a fad. Besides, it seems to be only well-known in the English speaking world. Don't know if it's sung in daycare centers and schools in other parts of the world. At least, the article doesn't mention any versions in other languages. Makkool (talk) 22:15, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   I have proposed a removal from the same section below, just so you know. Does that help change your opinion? QuicoleJR (talk) 00:17, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2. Too recent to evaluate its long-term impact. The Blue Rider 14:48, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. per @The Blue Rider:.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral

Discuss

Not only critically acclaimed, it’s also extremely influential to Punk rock  4.

Support

1. 49p (talk) 06:27, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. per nom. Makkool (talk) 21:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

One of, if not, THE most culturally significant Conspiracy theory  4 / Secret society  4 subtopic or example. Founded by Adam Weishaupt  5. Also has an entire article dedicated to it in popular culture.

Support

1. As nom. B3251_(talk) 22:54, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:14, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Obviously. QuicoleJR (talk) 03:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
5. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 22:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Per my earlier nomination of adding Bad (album), for as impactful and important Michael Jackson  3 was to pop music, he should have more listed works than Thriller (album)  4 and one song from it (Billie Jean  5) since he has had way more influence beyond that album. Per the article for Off the Wall, "In retrospect, writers have hailed it a landmark release of the disco era and, along with his next album Thriller (1982), among the greatest albums in history." Add this one and Bad, and Michael Jackson and his works should be adequately covered here.

Support

1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 23:15, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. This rather than Bad Makkool (talk) 21:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 00:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1. Arts is already over-quota, and I would definitely list Bad over this Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss

Since Arts is over quota and I've nominated/supported many additions to an over-quota section lately, I want to nominate something for removal to compensate, and I think this is one that can go.

The very article for Country music  4 itself states in its opening paragraph that country music around the time of this songs creation was only popular in specific areas of the United States, and this song didn't help establish the genre or expand it out of the South. I believe that this song has the least amount of interwikis for a song at V5 not performed by a V4 or above artist (11), solidifying this songs lack of wide cultural influence on its own alongside the lack of any legacy to speak of. And finally, as hinted at earlier, its creator Bill Monroe  5 is only a V5 artist. I could maybe see a rationale for including it for representation of the genre, but even then there's other songs I would list before this one and I think the other four country songs listed are basically perfect. Maybe one of two more country songs (or albums) could be added later down the line if Arts is ever contained.

Support

1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 23:15, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Per nom, maybe important in its genre but its hard to justify when we already need cuts Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   Did you mean to put this vote in support? λ NegativeMP1 00:02, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   Yes, fixed sorry Iostn (talk) 00:07, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

3. per nom. Makkool (talk) 21:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Seems to have only been popular in England, and even then it does not seem that popular or influential. There are plenty of songs that I would rather list, such as Baby Shark (nominated above), and the section is a bit above the quota.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:30, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1. Scarborough Fair is one of the most well-known examples of English folk music, and I'm not convinced on the argument of traditional folk songs being non-vital by being most influential in the place/culture where they originated, since that's the case for neaely all of them. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. per above Makkool (talk) 21:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral

Discuss

Add Market capitalization

“Total value of a publicly traded company's outstanding common shares owned by stockholders”. There are complementary metrics, but this is the most employed measure of how "valuable" a company is. Stock indices are often weighted by market cap.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add Leverage (finance)

The use of borrowed capital for an investment, expecting the profits made to be greater than the interest payable. Part of the lifeblood of the financial industry.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

• @Tabu Makiadi: Leverage is a disambiguation page. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:06, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Nevermind, Vileplume fixed it. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:13, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Inventory

The goods and materials a business holds for resale. Another essential concept in business.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:14, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add Remote work

Despite the pandemic recovery, an increasing proportion of people work this way now, or at least hybridly.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add Depreciation

The allocation of the cost of a tangible asset over its life. An important concept in accounting, the insurance industry, and actuarial science.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Clearly an oversight by us. starship.paint (RUN) 13:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 22:15, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add Jurisdiction

Major concept in Law.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Basic concept Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:16, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Clearly an oversight by us. starship.paint (RUN) 13:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add Purchasing power parity

This has a whopping 88 interwiki s, and ties together several ideas of economics, such as cost of living, exchange rates, GDP, transaction costs, price levels, etc.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Clearly an oversight by us. starship.paint (RUN) 13:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

We do these every day. Interstellarity (talk) 00:44, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:44, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Easy support. Another one that has surprisingly not been added yet. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:17, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 22:15, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

The category of schools and libraries. Interstellarity (talk) 12:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 12:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:18, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

When I first looked at the list of vital articles, I was surprised to see that the Red Sox were one of two MLB teams listed. Even I, a Red Sox fan, always thought the Dodgers and even the St. Louis Cardinals were more recognizable teams. Yeah, the Red Sox have the 2nd largest fan base in MLB, and that's probably why they're listed. They have more championships (9) than the Dodgers (7), but over half of them came before Warren G. Harding became president, whilst all of the Dodgers' titles have came since 1955. The Dodgers also have the slight edge in pageviews (https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=all-time&pages=Los_Angeles_Dodgers%7CBoston_Red_Sox) and also come from a bigger city. I feel like most people today outside of New England mainly knew the Red Sox for a curse that's been dead for 20 years, and you won't see the Chicago Cubs listed for their longer lasting and more well known curse. The point is, despite their smaller fanbase (still the 3rd most in MLB), all signs point to the Dodgers being the more recognizable team, and the one that's more deserving of a listing.

Support

1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:41, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Oppose remove Red Sox, support add Dodgers. It's worth mentioning that I've proposed adding the Dodgers before [1] and so has @TonyTheTiger: [2] and both times it failed. I do believe we have room for the Dodgers since we have removed 8 other sports teams since the last time this was proposed. Aurangzebra (talk) 04:01, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Common method of performing an Investment  4.

Support

1. As nom. B3251_(talk) 23:57, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Cutting back on the music articles - this is just such a random article to list.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 21:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Never even heard of this before. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 21:58, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. 8 interwikis. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 22:25, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Not a terribly obscure song, not big enough to be listed though. Kevinishere15 (talk) 00:06, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Important term distinct from trade, which we already list (a redirect to Craft  5). List this in Business, although it's a subject in sociology as well (as in, which job qualifies as a profession).

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1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 21:29, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 21:55, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Common type of clothing we don't list.

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1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 00:45, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Another easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:19, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Important part of modern music, we list several. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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1. As nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Wow, this concept isn't vital already? λ NegativeMP1 21:37, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Another overlooked one. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 23:32, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4. Definitely. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:05, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This section is nearly 50 articles over the quota, and with that in mind, I don't see why this should be listed. No other articles on the trust laws of specific countries, such as British or Italian trust law, are listed, and I don't see a reason to single out the American equivalent other than it being American. The article has zero interwikis.

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1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. per nom. Makkool (talk) 08:39, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 03:24, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Add Dresden Codex

Most important of the four surviving Maya codeces and the most important piece of non-fiction for Mesoamerica. For a long time thought to be the oldest surviving book written in the Americas.

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1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Add First Folio

"It is considered one of the most influential books ever published", the only reliable source for 20 of Shakespeare's plays. If we think there is too much representation for Shakespeare in the Arts section, I suggest we swap one of the individual sonnets with this.

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1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Add Rodion Raskolnikov

A famous fictional character, the protagonist of Crime and Punishment. Has more interwikis than Elizabeth Bennet  5, which we already list.

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1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This is a no-brainer. Every community has this. Interstellarity (talk) 00:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 02:10, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Another easy one. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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