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Annual Report is almost ready
Hi Coordinators; I've completed adding stats to the Annual Report. Feel free to check stats (there's probably an error somewhere!), add, replace, fix or remove stuff (I need to remove hidden notes from the code). As Lead Coordinator, @Dhtwiki: is invited to write a closing piece; please let me know if you don't want to and I'll remove that section. The topsheet is here; I'll complete it tonight. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 11:36, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
Ready for delivery?
I've made some final edits to the 2023 annual report, in preparation for its top sheet being sent. See if there's more that needs doing.
I've filled out the parameters at Special:MassMessage and the preview looks good, with the following parameters:
- Page or category containing list of pages to leave a message on:
- Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Mailing_List ["Your message will be sent to 765 pages."; so, no filtering of intro material at that page needed, apparently]
- Subject of the message (also used as the edit summary):
- Guild of Copy Editors 2023 Annual Report
- Page to be sent as a message:
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Membership/News/2023 Annual Report topsheet
With the rest of the parameters left blank.
The hidden comment reads: <!-- Message sent by User:Dhtwiki@enwiki using the list at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Mailing_List&oldid=1213784840 -->
Does everything look good to go? If so, I'll send it by the 16th, hopefully (the last annual report was dated 2/6/23!). Dhtwiki (talk) 23:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- It looks good, and thanks. All the best, Miniapolis 23:40, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Sent
And my copy arrived almost immediately. Dhtwiki (talk) 21:29, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
March 2024 drive
I've started setting up the March drive page. I've selected December 2022 through February 2023 (66, 102, 100 articles, respectively) for the backlog and November 2023 through February 2024 (2, 18, 23, 20) for requests (leaving aside the unfinished October article, which we should be sure to finish by then, as well as two November ones that are already in the hands of experienced copy editors). Dhtwiki (talk) 07:56, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
March 2024 barnstars
The barnstar page is done and ready for distribution; thanks, Baffle, for setting it up. All the best, Miniapolis 17:03, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- No worries; sorry I didn't get around to completing the data entry, my wiki-head has been elsewhere. Best wishes and cheers, Baffle☿gab 02:26, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- I've distributed the barnstars, except for mine and those for User:Learnerktm, which should be discussed, as they did considerabl work on Italy, a very long article, but not all edits were helpful, and their copy edit can't be considered complete (I've taken the article as a request and have found lots to do). They have claimed leaderboard barnstars, but there is no credit taken in the signup section. How should credit be given here? Dhtwiki (talk) 09:17, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Don't get me started about copyediting quality; a number of editors seem to go for the barnstars. However, Learnerktm listed their copyedit in the signup section. When I got started here, I cut my teeth on a long request article (as we encourage new copyeditors not to do) and it turned out all right. Assuming good faith, as I think we can do here, we shouldn't make the perfect the enemy of the good. I'll do yours but will hold off on Learnerktm, although it seems to be between you and me
All the best, Miniapolis 23:37, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm going to AGF and give Learnerktm the barnstars claimed, with the hope that he takes on board the advice received. All the best, Miniapolis 13:28, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- On second thought, and since the article is still on the requests page, I've changed my mind. Miniapolis 13:38, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- I am thinking that 1/4 credit (i.e. ~5k words) (and probably no leaderboard barnstars) would be appropriate for the work done. Dhtwiki (talk) 05:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- I have completed my calculations and handed out the appropriate barnstars. Dhtwiki (talk) 09:36, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- I am thinking that 1/4 credit (i.e. ~5k words) (and probably no leaderboard barnstars) would be appropriate for the work done. Dhtwiki (talk) 05:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- On second thought, and since the article is still on the requests page, I've changed my mind. Miniapolis 13:38, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm going to AGF and give Learnerktm the barnstars claimed, with the hope that he takes on board the advice received. All the best, Miniapolis 13:28, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Don't get me started about copyediting quality; a number of editors seem to go for the barnstars. However, Learnerktm listed their copyedit in the signup section. When I got started here, I cut my teeth on a long request article (as we encourage new copyeditors not to do) and it turned out all right. Assuming good faith, as I think we can do here, we shouldn't make the perfect the enemy of the good. I'll do yours but will hold off on Learnerktm, although it seems to be between you and me
March April newsletter
Hi all, I've taken the liberty of starting a newsletter for March here. Feel free to add / remove / fix anything, I'll be filling out the stats over the next few days. i haven't gathered any request page stats since January so I need to do some catching up! Cheers, Baffle☿gab 07:32, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Since it's so close to the end of the month, and with the annual report top sheet having been sent out so recently (on the 16th), I propose we post-date this newsletter to April and send it out then. We had an April newsletter in 2022. So, there's recent precedence. Dhtwiki (talk) 03:07, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Agree. All the best, Miniapolis 17:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'll try to complete the newsletter, to be sent out before the April blitz starts (see below). Dhtwiki (talk) 09:38, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Finishing touches are being made to the newsletter, which should go out soon. Final perusals are welcome. Dhtwiki (talk) 09:14, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Looks good to me, I've just updated the progress report and added the blitz dates. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 23:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for giving the blitz dates; that might be important. Sent newsletter at 23:19 UTC, and it reached my talk page almost immediately. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:24, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- No problem; and I just spotted a mistake in the election news line; too late, ever mind! :o Cheers, Baffle☿gab 00:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Other than the reelection of a "lead" coordinator not being mentioned (and that was somewhat deliberate for the sake of conciseness as well as modesty), I don't see the mistake regarding the coordinator election. Dhtwiki (talk) 03:21, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe I'm being picky but Incumbents Dhtwiki and Miniapolis were reelected coordinators, and Wracking was newly elected coordinator, to serve through 30 June. should be: "Wracking was newly elected as a coordinator"; and I think "until" or "to" should follow "through" – it reads to me as though coordinators serve only for one day. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 04:37, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think that "as (a)" could be used in both clauses, but its omission doesn't destroy the sense. Using "through until/to" doesn't make clear that the 30th is included as well as does "the convenient American use...[which] is still strange to us" (per the British H. W. Fowler) of "through" by itself. Dhtwiki (talk) 04:03, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe I'm being picky but Incumbents Dhtwiki and Miniapolis were reelected coordinators, and Wracking was newly elected coordinator, to serve through 30 June. should be: "Wracking was newly elected as a coordinator"; and I think "until" or "to" should follow "through" – it reads to me as though coordinators serve only for one day. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 04:37, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Other than the reelection of a "lead" coordinator not being mentioned (and that was somewhat deliberate for the sake of conciseness as well as modesty), I don't see the mistake regarding the coordinator election. Dhtwiki (talk) 03:21, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- No problem; and I just spotted a mistake in the election news line; too late, ever mind! :o Cheers, Baffle☿gab 00:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for giving the blitz dates; that might be important. Sent newsletter at 23:19 UTC, and it reached my talk page almost immediately. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:24, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Looks good to me, I've just updated the progress report and added the blitz dates. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 23:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Finishing touches are being made to the newsletter, which should go out soon. Final perusals are welcome. Dhtwiki (talk) 09:14, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'll try to complete the newsletter, to be sent out before the April blitz starts (see below). Dhtwiki (talk) 09:38, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Agree. All the best, Miniapolis 17:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Coordinators emeriti
@Miniapolis, Wracking, and Baffle gab1978: I would like to add Baffle gab's name to the list of coordinators emeriti for their many terms served as coordinator and for the coordinator-type work they continue to do (setting up drive and blitz pages, curating newsletters and reports, and taking good care of the requests page, above and beyond the enormous amount of copy editing they do there). Can I have your okay to do so? Dhtwiki (talk) 05:56, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Dhtwiki, you have my strongest possible support! All the best, Miniapolis 13:53, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Baffle's Tireless Contributor Barnstar spun off its axis long ago. Reidgreg (talk) 17:47, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, absolutely!! Wracking talk! 01:25, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support, of course. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:22, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks all for your support and kind words; I take a neutral stance on this and it's not something I've personally sought out or encouraged. The GOCE is a team and I'm just here to help out. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 23:43, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
April blitz
April 14–20 seems a likely time for the April blitz. We could include January and February 2023 from the backlog, as well as all requests. Dhtwiki (talk) 09:53, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Seeing no objection, I've set things up as proposed. Dhtwiki (talk) 06:45, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Since I've been seeing a lot of partly-done "copyedits" on the request page, I've tweaked the instructions to (hopefully) discourage them; the "first-pass" stuff doesn't do much for the backlog. All the best, Miniapolis 01:21, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
(←) The barnstars are ready for distribution. Guess it's time to start thinking about the May drive. All the best, Miniapolis 19:46, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- I've distributed most barnstars, leaving only mine to be given by someone else. Dhtwiki (talk) 03:35, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
May 2024 drive
I've started the May 2024 drive page. I've included January through March 2023 from the backlog (28, 49, 83 articles, respectively) and January through April 2024 from the requests page (1 (Italy is done), 9, 33, 21, respectively, as of this writing). Dhtwiki (talk) 06:43, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
May 2024 barnstars
The barnstar table is up and ready for distribution; thanks, Baffle, for creating the page. All the best, Miniapolis 16:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for making the calculations. Except for mine, the barnstars have been distributed. Dhtwiki (talk) 09:13, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- The script and I have been getting along better
, and you have yours. Thanks and all the best, Miniapolis 00:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- The script and I have been getting along better
June nl
Hi all, I've created the June newsletter page here, feel free to add/remove/edit stuff there. My RL is a bit busy now but I'll work on it when I can. It might be good to sent it between 1 and 7 June to spruik the election but it's up to you, really. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 00:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. The newsletter went out on June 6 last year when the blitz was from the 11th to the 17th, which seems quite early. Although, with coordinator nominations beginning on the 1st and voting on the 15th, ending on the 30th, an early newsletter seems appropriate. However, the June blitz (which would be in the future in such a letter) might be held later (the equivalent week this year is from the 9th to the 15th). Dhtwiki (talk) 02:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- P.S. The number of copy edit tagging that has taken place in the last two months has been enormous (544 in April, 181 so far in May). We should be considering how to deal with it. Our bad trend line is about to get much worse. Dhtwiki (talk) 02:49, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Dhtwiki, the May tagging may be due to the current NPP backlog drive. All the best, Miniapolis 23:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, Baffle. I'd like it to go out early and, hopefully, improve participation in the elections (and encourage potential coordinators). All the best, Miniapolis 15:59, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Dhtwiki, I'm not sure how we could reduce the number of c/e taggings; one tedious way would be to triage each tagging and remove / re-tag inappropriately tagged articles. I used to do this before each drive but it's too much work for me now. Another way might be to amend {{copy edit}} with guidance for appropriate use. Unfortunately, some drive-by taggers don't seem to understand the difference between {{cleanup}} and copy edit, and many probably don't care. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 21:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- That was my suspicion, too, about NPP increasing our backlog. I can work on cleaning up the more recent categories (April/May) for appropriateness of tag. Wracking talk! 23:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
(←) Thanks all; I've added the June Blitz dates and May stats to the newsletter. I think it's ready to send now; please feel free to add, correct or remove stuff if necessary. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 05:37, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. I've checked it and sent it, at 07:18 UTC, to 763 accounts. I was toying with the idea of adding an apostrophe to the title, to read "Guild of Copy Editors' April 2024 Newsletter". I also thought of adding text that coordinator candidates should be experienced copy editors, because I think that is really a requirement to be a successful coordinator. But I left things as they were. Thoughts for the future, perhaps. Dhtwiki (talk) 07:27, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, Dhtwiki. I've been tempted to add the same in the past but I'm not sure the project's title should be possessive. I think an editor who's not so experienced with copy-editing but is willing, competent and skilled at other behind-the-scenes tasks would be fine. OTOH, an editor who is familiar with this project's culture and processes wouldn't need as much help with coordinator tasks, so I guess it's swings and roundabouts there. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 22:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Unfortunately, this newsletter went out with four syntax errors in it. I have posted a request for someone to fix it for us with AWB. I recommend turning on the syntax highlighter gadget, which can alert you to this sort of problem. I find that it also makes copy editing easier, since it is easier to distinguish between prose and references and templates. YMMV. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:26, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- It wasn't evident in the rendering, though (the mistakes were all opening boldface markup within wikilinks; so, the scope of the closing markup within those links must have been limited in scope, otherwise the mistakes would have been obvious by the presence of a large amount of inappropriately boldfaced text). Dhtwiki (talk) 23:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I see that the boldfacing helps to distinguish important links, and I just did not notice its absence. I see that you have a taker to fix this at AWB requests. If it doesn't get taken care of soon, I may try my AWB (via JWB) skills to fix it. Dhtwiki (talk) 00:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, the engine that detects Linter errors can't tell whether the unbalanced syntax affects the rendering, so we have to fix all of the false positives along with the ones that actually break rendering. It's a little bit useless, but so is a lot of the gnoming that keeps this place from going completely to the dogs. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Jonesey; that's probably my fault, I should have checked it more closely and I'm sorry for causing you extra work. I almost always work in a browser without JavaScript for security / sanity reasons, so a gadget wouldn't have been helpful in this case. I'll try to do better next time. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 02:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, the engine that detects Linter errors can't tell whether the unbalanced syntax affects the rendering, so we have to fix all of the false positives along with the ones that actually break rendering. It's a little bit useless, but so is a lot of the gnoming that keeps this place from going completely to the dogs. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
IP editor indiscriminately using copy edit template
As we've seen, our backlog has been increasing much faster in the past two months. I believe one culprit is an IP editor who has both personally requested editors to copy edit Indonesian/Singaporean media articles and tagged those articles en masse. (They were told at one point to tag articles; they clearly took that suggestion to heart as they have tagged as many as dozens of articles per day.)
I reached out to this editor on 17 May and 21 May (today), asking them to stop. (I am assuming the IPs are the same user.)
I have reverted most of their additions of the {{copy edit}} tag, though it looks like they have also reverted some themselves.
- Special:Contributions/36.78.199.0/25
- 36.78.199.20 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 36.78.199.90 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
I'm getting out of my depth here, but based on the WHOIS, it seems like this editor may also have a COI.
Insights appreciated. Wracking talk! 17:10, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- A similar IP 36.69.19.182 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) Wracking talk! 20:59, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Thanks for bringing this up, Wracking. Reporting to COIN or AN might be worthwhile but I don't think there's much we can do here. If the articles actually need a copy-edit, the tag is being properly added; if the articles are being inappropriately tagged, there may be a case for reporting it as disruption to the encyclopaedia if the IP user has been warned to stop their tagging but continues. If the articles are universally poor, they can be advised to use {{Cleanup}} or another more appropriate template. Sadly, not everyone understands the nuanced difference between the ways we process templates. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 21:02, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Most of the articles are actually in fine shape, and require no copy editing or minimal cleanup—that's the basis on which I have removed the tags. In a few (very few!) cases, I have let the tags stand. In a post by yet another IP (36.76.0.174 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)), they indicate that they would like other editors to expand/overhaul certain articles. Wracking talk! 21:09, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- That is quite disruptive then, I wonder if they could be an undeclared paid editor? The IP user seems to have poor English skills, so they may not know good English from poor. What do the other coordinators think? Cheers, Baffle☿gab 21:44, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- It doesn't help (and may be indicative of something) that they're not using edit summaries. All the best, Miniapolis 22:26, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- That is quite disruptive then, I wonder if they could be an undeclared paid editor? The IP user seems to have poor English skills, so they may not know good English from poor. What do the other coordinators think? Cheers, Baffle☿gab 21:44, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Most of the articles are actually in fine shape, and require no copy editing or minimal cleanup—that's the basis on which I have removed the tags. In a few (very few!) cases, I have let the tags stand. In a post by yet another IP (36.76.0.174 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)), they indicate that they would like other editors to expand/overhaul certain articles. Wracking talk! 21:09, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- See also:
- 36.76.4.171 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 36.78.190.26 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 36.78.197.242 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- Wracking talk! 05:29, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- and also this conversation at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests Wracking talk! 05:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I reached out (again, with a more firm message) on the most-recently-active (AFAICT) IP [1] Wracking talk! 05:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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June 2024 blitz
The blitz page is already up, thanks again to Baffle. I've penciled in the week of the 9th to the 15th, but that seems rather early. Should it be the following week (16th to the 22nd)? February (14 articles) and March (30) 2023 are the backlog months I've set. As of this writing, there are 65 requests (February to June 2024, with three being worked on and liable for completion by blitz start). Dhtwiki (talk) 08:16, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks both, and I agree that the 9th to the 15th is too early. I'll x-out the dates until we decide for sure, to reduce confusion. All the best, Miniapolis 13:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Since no one has objected and the weekend is coming up, I'll set the dates as the 16th to the 22nd. All the best, Miniapolis 23:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I've posted an announcement to the community bulletin board. So, with the newsletter mailed, we should be set up for the near future. Dhtwiki (talk) 08:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Since no one has objected and the weekend is coming up, I'll set the dates as the 16th to the 22nd. All the best, Miniapolis 23:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Barnstars
The barnstar page is ready to be checked and for awards to be distributed. Dhtwiki (talk) 05:29, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I've distributed most of the barnstars (except for my own). Dhtwiki (talk) 03:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- All have now been distributed. Dhtwiki (talk) 08:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry; I've been busy IRL, and won't be around much until Sunday. All the best, Miniapolis 17:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
July 2024 drive
I've created a drive page. February (3), March (6), and April (129) 2023, are the backlog months. March (1, 1 working), April (12, 2 working, 1 done), May (27), June (24) 2024 are outstanding requests as of now. Should any of that be adjusted? Dhtwiki (talk) 05:36, 26 June 2024 (UTC) (edited 05:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC))
- No, Dhtwiki, it sounds good. Thanks and all the best, Miniapolis 13:26, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- The barnstar table is up; thanks, Baffle, for creating the page. All the best, Miniapolis 13:51, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Barnstars have been distributed, except for my own. Dhtwiki (talk) 02:55, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- The barnstar table is up; thanks, Baffle, for creating the page. All the best, Miniapolis 13:51, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
September newsletter
Hi all, I've created the September newsletter here, feel free to add anything that needs to go out in Sept. I may add some data if I can. I'm also planning to start working on the annual report soon, so I'll let you know when it's created. I'm currently taking a short break from article space but I'll be around in the background if I'm needed. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 06:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
August 2024 blitz
The August blitz page is here. Two weeks are likely: August 11–17 and 18–24, with the latter week ending a full week before September 1. Although I've included April 2023 (3 articles), May (86), and June (133) in the backlog to be addressed, we might limit ourselves to the first two months. Requests stand at 3 remaining from April 2024 (2 being worked on), 22 from May, 23 from June, 20 from July, and 6, so far, from August. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:27, 6 August 2024 (UTC) (edited 08:44, 13 August 2024 (UTC))
- Thanks, Dhtwiki. The 18th to the 24th works better for me because of a family visit the previous week, and April and May 2023 make more sense. All the best, Miniapolis 18:57, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Okay. I will set the blitz up for the latter dates. That will leave more time to finalize the blitz and make for earlier notifications with relation to the start date. Dhtwiki (talk) 05:21, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- We may want to emphasize May and June requests, since there are still quite a few. All the best, Miniapolis 13:51, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I will see about limiting the requests from "all" (which is the usual), to May and June, although leaving the larger range theoretically allows people to have greater freedom to choose from what interests them the most. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:42, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I now see that you have already made changes, which I will leave alone. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:46, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I sympathize with editors whose older requests are skipped
. All the best, Miniapolis 23:34, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- I myself try to take oldest requests first, even if the subject matter of newer requests naturally holds more interest. I regard that as one of my duties as a coordinator. Dhtwiki (talk) 08:53, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- We may want to emphasize May and June requests, since there are still quite a few. All the best, Miniapolis 13:51, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Okay. I will set the blitz up for the latter dates. That will leave more time to finalize the blitz and make for earlier notifications with relation to the start date. Dhtwiki (talk) 05:21, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have just had a look at the last three articles of the April 2023 backlog and struck their copy editing tags, as well as having reduced the announced ranges for the blitz. Those articles have had a lot of work done since being tagged, e.g. Amanda Waller having none of the issues caught by the March 2023 Database Report which prompted its being tagged, and do not now seem in need of a full copy edit. Dhtwiki (talk) 08:44, 13 August 2024 (UTC) (edited 08:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC))
Barnstars
I have calculated the barnstars. Please check and distribute. Dhtwiki (talk) 07:10, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Done. Thanks and all the best, Miniapolis 13:31, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
September drive
Guess it's time to throw something together. Howzabout the May and June 2023 backlog and May and June 2024 requests? All the best, Miniapolis 23:37, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have set up the drive page and made various announcements (except for the request for a watchlist announcement, which I usually wait until nearer the time to post). Dhtwiki (talk) 09:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Working on Article: Tagged as Copyedit for Quotes| September Drive
Hi, I'm working on a text in an article that was tagged under the copyedit template for the September backlog drive. The Scientific Method article which I am working on falls under the copyedit (in-line) template. It is tagged for the quotation and the reasoning in the template is as follows:
"this paragraph consists of many quotations that are not worked into the text very well."
However, Wikipedia guideline/guide's article for basic copyediting mentions to be careful of changing the quotes. However, the said text I would have to change conflicts with another one of Wikipedia's guidelines: over quotation. This means in order to remove fix the reasoning for which the template was added, I would have to change the whole paragraph and change most if all the quotations.
Not only this, I would be forced to block quote the long quotes if I am to add some. However, most editors advise to use the Block Quotes sparingly. The mention of block quotes being used for long quotes can be seen here.
I am aware Wikipedia's guidelines tells us to be bold but I don't want to mess up a good article by misunderstanding the guidelines. Due to this, this leads to my question being: does the text for which the template is tagged for in the article still fall under the definition of copyediting? The definition of copyediting is commonly defined as to make the article cohesive and fixing any tense, spelling, grammar errors found in the article.
If it does fall under the definition of copyediting, could you tell me the reasoning behind why it would be and if there are any guidelines for this, could you link them for me so I can use it for future reference?
If it is not considered to be under copyediting, can I remove the copyedit template, and add the over quotation template? Here is the template I want to add. I am adding it here so you don't have to search for it:
![]() | This article contains too many or overly lengthy quotations. |
Additional Note: The whole reason I am asking this question is because the two Wikipedia guidelines conflict with each other. That's why I am asking for your advice to see if I can proceed with the article and to be able to get the points for the drive (if it does fall under copyediting lol). Reader of Information (talk) 14:55, 1 September 2024 (UTC)