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See also User:Jord/ArbCom-Abu badali.

Statement by third party Paul Cyr

I saw this on WP:AN/I and thought the arbcom should be aware since it involves two of the involved parties here: [1]

TechnoFaye (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has been blocked for a month by FayssalF (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA). Picaroon (Talk) 19:35, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I reported that as soon as I saw it. Threatening to beat somebody with a baseball bat is not cool. —Chowbok ☠ 19:44, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It took over a week and half to respond to that? Even though physical threat is not cool, the delayed punishment is also not correct. Are you really sure that 1 month ban, starting 12 days after the comment, is necessary here? If anything, this at least should have retroactively started on the day of his attack. (And the fact that he was cited as a party means that he should at least be unblocked for Arbitration pages) - Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 07:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
He seems to have left, anyways. If he requests unblocking on condition of best behavior, and only to edit the case pages, I'll do it if I get there first. Picaroon (Talk) 20:31, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
HE is a SHE. The Parsnip! 02:47, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I concur, Penwhale. It should be reduced down to 18 days. hbdragon88 20:07, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
She already is unblocked to comment on the arbitration. That was a real nasty personal attack btw. Garion96 (talk) 21:03, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What? I was being very tongue-in-cheek. Penwhale seemed to be very exact, such as wanting to start it retroactively from the day it started. Becuase he said that the block started 12 days after the initial comment, I suggested that the block should thusly be reduced down to 18 days (12 + 18 = 30). I meant nothing else than that. hbdragon88 21:55, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't meant you! :) I meant the comment TechnoFaye made for which she was blocked. Garion96 (talk) 19:23, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by third party Piotrus

In recent days Abu badali has nominated several important images related to Polish history for deletion (see Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2007_May_13#Image:Pianist2.jpg and following entries; his arguments (non-notability of images) and comments (replying to others' arguments that they are nothing but PAs) have not been helpful, and attempt to delete such important images, clearly acceptable under fair use guidelines, is damaging the project (claiming that images are not notable w/out any policy backing in attempt to delete them seems like disruption to me).-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  20:07, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to present this on the evidence page, then. Picaroon (Talk) 20:26, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
From the 5 images nominated for deletion in the above link, 2 were deleted and the other 3 were discovered to be in Public Domain (they were originally tagged as fair use). The accusation that I replied to other arguments "that they are nothing but PAs" is baseless. --Abu badali (talk) 21:01, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by TheQuandry

There isn't much to say here beyond what I've already said in his [RFC]. Badali specifically tricked a new editor User:PageantUpdater, by her words, "in such a way as to claim I agreed with his position". This is what I was commenting on with my comments that Abu badali mentions above.

His behavior regarding the fact that multiple editors disagreed with his tagging of certain images was wrong. He generally refused to rationally discuss any of his tags, simply stating that the images weren't free, although a number of people stated that the images were acceptable under fair use. Some editors attempted to change the RFC about badali's behavior into an argument over unfree images, which it was not. I, personally, recognize that a policy is a policy (however much I disagree with it), however if someone is going to attempt to enforce that policy, they need to be civil, they need to be open to the fact that they may have made mistakes, and they should not be digging through the contributions of editors they have disagreements with and mass tagging their uploads. Abu badali HIMSELF states on his own user page that this is what he does.

Abu badali openly mocked the RFC on his user page, and by proxy mocked the concerns of the filer and contributors, which, in my opinion, caused a significant disruption.

For evidence of his perceived wikistalking, see here [2]

Above, Abu badali makes some comment about how I thought he was an admin. This was just a typo I made ages ago, and constantly redirecting to this admin (deleting) vs nonadmin (tagging) issue is neither here nor there. The log-digging and mass-tagging of images uploaded by a single editor is certainly enough to make that editor feel as though they are being harassed, whether they are in the wrong or not, and this behavior is, I feel, highly disruptive.

The basis of my statement in this case is that Abu badali, while believing himself in the right regarding the fair use policy, is behving in such a way as to cause a significant disruption. The fact that an RFC was necessary at all and that it was signed and contributed to by such a huge number of people attests to that. TheQuandry 15:18, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by PageantUpdater

Unfortunately it has been almost six months since the trouble with this editor began which makes it a bit fuzzy on the memory, but I will state from the outset that overall my dealings with Abu badali have left a worse than negative impression on me. Abu badali appears to be fixated on ridding Wikipedia of fair use images, regardless of their worth to the project, and in order to achieve this aim he appears to have no qualms in trampling on the opinions of other editors. He also appears to lack any ability to listen to reason or attempt to reach compromise.

I first came in contact with him when almost one hundred images I uploaded were tagged with the RFU tag. This was in the early days of the replacable fair use policy being implemented, and this was the first I had heard of the policy. The comments at User:PageantUpdater/Use of Images show my line of thinking at the time... when the policy reasons were explained to me (all these images had been tagged without any explanation by Abu badali) I accepted that most would have to be deleted. Abu badali then tried to trick me into accepting that the images were not required ([3]).

A small number of the images, specifically those showing a beauty pageant titleholder being crowned, or taking her first walk etc were found by User:Quadell to be acceptable under the fair use regulations. To make these work, some changes were made to the articles (expansions of the main article and captions). However Abu badali disagreed with this finding and argued his point forcefully, completely disregarding the opinions of other editors. These conversations can be seen at Image talk:FarrellMTUSA03.jpg. Even after lengthy discussion about these images, Abu badali again re-added RFU tags to that image and when another editor reverted his actions he added it again([4] [5]). The image was eventually kept by Quadell [6].

All this happened in November, when the RFC was started. It is difficult to accurately remember and record Abu badali's actions so many months on, but I remeber feeling persecuted and extremely frustrated at his refusal to listen and respect the opinions of myself and other editors. Eventually things calmed down and I was able to enjoy Wikipedia without the hassle of dealing with such an aggravating editor.

That all changed in January when Abu badali edited an article I had written, Melissa Lingafelt, selectively commenting out an image and accompanying text based on the fact that the "reference is a 404". What he apparently failed to notice, I suspect because he was so focussed on the fair use image used in the article, was that the 404 was the result of poor coding by myself. Because of a missed pipe link in the reference, the url that lead to the 404 read: http://www.missteenusa.com/press/08.15.06.htmlpublisher=Miss. I cannot believe that any attentive editor who would go to the trouble of commenting out sections of an article would not noticed the cleary visible error in the url. What irked me more was that Abu badali had clearly singled out an article I had written months after our initial trouble.

I heard no more from him until a few weeks ago, when he nominated Image:KatieBlair.jpg for deletion based on an incredible detailed reading of the terms of conditions of the website on which it was found. This again made me feel that I was being stalked by this editor. I could see no reason for him coming in contact with this image again after all this time. The image was eventually deleted, despite the comments of other editors agreeing that Abu badali was being ridiculous.

Finally, I logged on this morning to find that yet another image of mine, Image:ChelsiMissUSA.jpg had been tagged as RFU by Abu badali. Although I accept that at this point the fair use rationale was poorly written and the use of the image in the article as it was was fairly questionable, I put effort into rewriting the rationale and significantly expanding the article and repositioning the article within it, as well as adding it to another related article. I disputed the RFU tag and made comments to this effect on the talk page, to which Abu badali rabbited off his general line that the historical use of image is unneccessary in the article... a point which goes back to the long discussion at Image:FarrellMTUSA03.jpg back in January, and at the Katie Blair image talk page (now deleted). Why Abu badali chose this image as a target is beyond me as he clearly has no interest in beauty pageants, other than trying to delete images related to them. Again, I feel I am being persecuted.

There is a further concern which I cannot definitively tie to Abu badali but which feels like his style, and which another editor has also described it as "suspicious". On 14 May, an anonymous editor removed the fair use image from Melissa Lingafelt ([7]). This was and is currently the IP address' only edit. Within an hour, Abu badali had tagged the image itself as orphaned fair use ([8]). How he even noticed that this image had been orphaned is beyond me, unless he noticed the anon remove it from the main article. If that is the case, I do not know why he simply did not revert he vandalous anonymous edit, rather than go to the trouble of tag the image as orphaned and warn me about the image. Within another hour, two editors had discovered the trouble, with one reverting the tag and fixing the image, and the other replacing the image in the article.

In conclusion, I am pleased he has replied to this artibritation case, because I was extremely frustrated that despite the numerous comments of other editors at his Request for comment, he did not make any statement there. I feel that Abu badali steadfastly refuses to consider or accept any interpretation of the use of fair use images other than his opinions on the matter. He appears to treat articles as if he is an automaton, without considering the value of an image to an article on an individual basis. He is extremely dedicated to tagging fair use images and removing them from articles, but does not appear to notice basic mistakes or take any wider interest in what he is tagging. He also has a habit of stalking myself and other editors. I feel harassed and persecuted by this editor, and I want it to stop.

Can I just add that I had my tonsils out just over a week ago and I'm still tired and tetchy. All I want to do is edit pageant articles... I really don't have the strength nor the desire to get stressed about this editor. I only just got the RFC process and find this whole process to be over my head. Apologies if this wasn't formatted properly etc. I just feel that I have wasted too much time on this guy already and despite the fact that he is currently the one thing getting in the way of me enjoying pariticpating here, spending hours trawling through diffs (particularly where some stuff has been deleted) is beyond me. Hopefully in a few weeks I'll have more of a desire to do so, but at the moment I'm hanging back. PageantUpdater User Talk Review me! 11:13, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Statement by Megapixie

When notifying Abu badali of the Arbitration case Jord cited "continued tagging of justified fair use images" (i.e. any tagging of images, even those above without sources) "refusal to participate in a fair and open minded debate" - (i.e. failing agree with whatever he said), "stalking and harrassment of users".

I see no evidence diffs that indicate Abu engaged in "stalking and harrassment", unless of course we consider that following foundation policy and deleting out of policy content is "harrassment".

The only questionable action is Abu not responding to the RfC, which was a badly formed forum for beating him up.

Image:Bobrae-premier.jpg is disputed as being outside policy by a number of editors

The fair use status of Image:Bobrae-premier.jpg is disputed by a number of editors Jkelly Angr Ed g2s. As of May 18 it has no source information (a criteria for speedy deletion alone) and no article specific rationale justifying why it is unreplaceable.

No communication before opening the RfC

The users concerned didn't exactly try to resolve the dispute before opening the RfC. It was certified by Tvccs whose only attempts to communicate with Abu on his talk page where the day before the RfC the first of which was not exactly civil. Irpen's only entry on Abu's talk page before certifying the RfC was in reaction to Chowbok's RfC which was also regarding tagging fair use images as replaceable and resulted in Jimbo stepping in. Finally we have PageantUpdater who only spoke twice to Abu on his user talk page before opening the RfC.

The RfC became a hostile environment

  • [9], [10], [11], [12], [13]. Apparently these outbursts are perfectly fine in the eyes of TheQuandry. I'm sure if Abu had produced similar outbursts he would have not looked at them quite so kindly.

I would contend that a user has a right not to be involved in a forum constructed entirely to beat them up.

Are photographs of a beauty queen being crowned historic images?

Is this image Image:FarrellMTUSA03.jpg of a beauty queen being crowned a "historic event" - such that it allows us to override the original photographers copyright via fair use law ? I think not. And I believe that the foundation thinks the same way.

The real issue

People will always feel a little WP:OWNish towards their contributions. When someone tags them for deletion they are going to get offended even if the tagging is entirely justified. Abu has tagged a large number of fair-use images for deletion which has attracted a large number of users who feel antagonistically towards him.

People will react by either trying to 1. prevent the deletion, 2. change policy, or 3. attack the user in question.

For 1 - see endless discussion on image talk pages.

For 2 - see the policy pages: Jord Abu Jenolen

For 3 - see Abu's RfC, which was votestacked [14] [15] [16] etc by technofaye. And now this arbcom case - which was largely opened on the basis of the votestacked up RfC numbers.

Conclusion

This is a policy dispute, that has spilled into this forum as the result of a number of users not understanding the core purpose of wikipedia and ganging up on a user who is correctly enforcing policy. The RfC was an attempt to scare Abu into stop tagging images. When he didn't stop tagging, this Arbcom case was opened up.

If anything comes out of this - it would be a clearer office statement about the degree to which we limit fair use. The foundations vagueness (even after the additional statement) wastes a huge amount of time of both the pro-free-content and pro-fair-use lobby. Megapixie 14:46, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just in response to this, though I disagree with the image policy and have argued against it, I respect it so long as it is Wikipedia policy. The images that are being deleted that I uploaded are all relatively old because I have since given up on uploading images because the process of finding proper tags for non-free images has become too cumbersome. Those images that I have uploaded that are tagged for deletion and have no justification I am quite happy to see deleted. Other images which have justification I have tried to defend because they added to the quality of Wikipedia. I have no protest and dispute with any users who have tagged images of mine or of others for deletion in general, however Abu badali has been unique in his adversarial and uncooperative approach to image tagging. When an image is tagged by anyone else, I protest and they either explain why there is no justification or help me to properly phrase and provide a justification. In Abu badali's page he simply says it must be deleted and then removes comments justifying the image, marks images for speedy deletion, etc, etc hidden in minor edits and without notice. - Jord 18:39, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Care to provide diffs? --Abu badali (talk) 16:58, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There's a bunch on the RFC. I assume everyone has seen that. Trevor GH5 00:50, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't disagree with anything Megapixie has said, but I do think it sidesteps the question of whether or not Abu badali's actions have needlessly antagonized other users. My recommendations below deal with that. – Quadell (talk) (random) 14:23, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Small side note

These image tagging issues seem to have crossed over into a content dispute here with Tony the Marine asking me to take a look as he feared he was going to roll over the 3RR limit. The subject of this Req4Arb seems to have had an issue with an image on the above-linked article, and subsequently entered into a minor content-dispute and a couple of reverts. I am sure at the moment that it is under control, and I have an eye on it, but I thought it ought to be linked to here just for informations sake, and in case it means more to those involved in this Req4Arb.

He has also removed an image from Puerto Rican migration to New York, the fact that he cited the same reason for that removal as he did for the one mentioned by me above, and the fact that both articles were written by Tony the Marine, made me think that it may be targeting of some sort.

Incidentally, Abu badali has been rather civil and comment-on-content-able so far in this minor issue that I am looking at.... SGGH speak! 21:19, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed dozen of images from dozen of articles in the last days. Actually, in the last years. Articles relate to each other by categories in common, editors in common, images in common, image-uploaders in common and lot of other kind of links. Images that I act over in the same period will likely be linked by one of these kind of links. Clicking Random article is not the only acceptable way of doing image clean up. Please, avoid the "targeting of some sort" suspicion. Overall, thanks for the balanced event reporting. --Abu badali (talk) 22:09, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm glad you appreciate that I have to call everything as I see it, even though my own personal encounter with you hasn't been unpleasant. SGGH speak! 17:23, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Quadell

I am not a party to this case, but I am very familiar with Wikipedia's non-free image use policy, and I have dealt extensively with Abu badali in these issues. Here is what I recommend:

  • 1) Abu badali should be commended for his hard work in copyright issues, and encouraged to continue.
  • 2) He should also be commended for remaining courteous and refraining from personal attacks, even when dealing with people who are discourteous to him.
  • 3) He should be instructed to change certain behaviors so as not to antagonize other users, particularly newbies, with the threat of temporary blocks for non-compliance. (This probationary period should last for a fixed time, perhaps one year.) Suggested behavior changes include:
    • 3a) He should not re-nominate an image for deletion if it is not deleted during the first process. He could instead recommend to an admin to re-nominate it in his place. (Nomination here includes WP:IFD, WP:PUI, {{rfu}}, etc.)
    • 3b) He should not use a user's public logs to nominate all a given user's uploads for deletion. Although this method is not improper in-and-of itself, this user's history and relations with the community show that it is inadvisable for him to do so. He should instead find suspect non-free images through other methods: alphabetic searches, browsing through all articles in a problematic category, etc.
    • 3c) He should refrain from using certain, controversial reasons for nominating images for deletion. The three reasons that seem most problematic would be some variation of the following: "Although this image depicts a non-repeating event, that event is not important enough in the article to merit its inclusion", "Although this image depicts a non-repeating event, the image is being used primarily to identify the subject and not the event, and the image is therefore replaceable", and "Although this image is not directly sold by the copyright holder, the use of this image on Wikipedia is likely to decrease the value of the copyright." All three of these may be valid reasons for deletion, but Abu badali's controversial overuse of these reasons have caused problems. He could still nominate images for deletion for other reasons: that the image depicts a living person not engaged in a unique event, for example, or that the image fails criteria #1, #3, #7, #9, or #10 on Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria. He could also recommend that an admin nominate images for deletion where he is not allowed to do so himself.
    • 3d) Perhaps (and this is just an idea) he should have a note on his talk page saying something like the following: "If you have a complaint about my behavior in regards to image deletion, please let me know. An administrator will review the case and get back with you." I volunteer to review such cases.

I think this will allow Abu badali to continue to contribute in the thankless task of deletion nomination, but will prevent the worst of the problems. – Quadell (talk) (random) 14:17, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the commendations. But what what you're suggesting is simply that the Arb-com to forbid of doing what is acceptable for any other user to do, just because other editors have complained about image deletions.
That will be really strange for me to be forbidden to nominate for deletions under specific ("controversial") reasons, when any other editor would be allowed to make such nomination. Will I also be forbidden to argue in a nomination (started by other user) based on these same "controversial" reasons?
About not being allowed to nominate the same image more than once... it means that if I tag one NASA image as {{no source}}, and the user provides the source that happens to show this not be a real NASA image, I can't tag it as copyvio, possibly unfree or no-license? That's a very strange limitation you're suggesting to be imposed.
I would prefer to see the arb-com ruling what's acceptable and what's not for any Wikipedian, instead of giving me special treatment. If it's ruled that something that I do is unacceptable, then I should be told to cease and desist, just like any other editor doing that should also cease and desist.
This of course, would apply all kind of unacceptable/unrecommended actions by anyone involved in this case, like complaining in an RFC before trying to resolve the dispute, using the simply existence of accusations in the "RFC" as (Ad hominem) arguments in deletion disputes (you have no idea how common this became), or even threating to infringe physical harm to fellow editors.
If it's ruled to be unacceptable to read some user's upload log for checking (and reporting) of policy violations, this rule should be integrated to some policy and be valid for anyone, and not only for users that have been target by arb-cases.
If it's ruled that, for when tagging more than X image from the same uploader, template warning messages should be avoided, it should be integrated to some policy and be valid for anyone.
It would be unproductive and inconsistent to set what's acceptable and unacceptable in a user-based analysis. --Abu badali (talk) 14:59, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Quadell. Trevor GH5 07:08, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have to agree with Abu here. The restrictions that Quadell proposes seem rather arbitrary. Either Abu is allowed to nominate/tag images/media files for deletion on any grounds, or not at all. The only recommendation I would make would be to make more comments citing policy ("violates #1, #2, #8 of the WP:NFCC" for example), which should prove to be less contentious. To say that Abu can only apply certain parts of the policy is rather capricious, IMHO. howcheng {chat} 22:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
1 and 2 seem fine, if not really adding anything useful. 3 is more problematic. If someone has made a mistake on one image, then they've probably made the same mistake elsewhere. 3a is the closest to something that might make sense. Lots of images on wikipedia have: no source, the wrong license (or none at all) and no fair use rationale. When a user uploads such an image there are a large number of points in the process where the image appears to have been saved from the jaws of deletion - i.e.
  • nld - provide license
  • nsd - provide source
  • wrong license - correct to fair use
  • nrd - provide rationale
  • rfu - dispute image is replaceable
The net result of all of this is that any user on the receiving end of this is bound to feel hounded. But to be clear, this isn't Abu - this is the process at work. Maybe we should fix the process. Megapixie 03:26, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Allow me to temper this by saying: these recommendations only make sense if the arbcom finds that Abu badali's actions have caused unnecessary (perhaps unintentional) hurt feelings, and that another user looking at the same images in the same way would enforce policy without causing nearly as much drama. If the arbcom decides that Abu badali has done nothing wrong, but that it is merely the enforcement of policy itself which the complainants object to, then obviously these recommendations would not apply. The reason I recommend these is that I believe that Abu badali should (personally) not enforce these specific policies in these specific ways, but should leave that to others with a better history of flexibility and tact (who would, still, demand that policy be followed). If you think that anyone enforcing policy would encounter similar opposition and hurt feelings, then naturally you won't agree with my recommendations. – Quadell (talk) (random) 16:57, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. I'd also add that any complainants who have been incivil or shown a lack of respect for our policy should be admonished, with penalties for any egregious behavior in this regard. – Quadell (talk) (random) 17:03, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Quadell's original proposal, looking through logs and nominating all of a person's pics provided they have source info, rationales, and appropriate tags even if they might not qualify as fair use is just needlessly antagonistic. Trevor GH5 15:32, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Would you be able to provide any evidence of me nominating all images in some user's log, when all of them have "source info, rationales, and appropriate tags"? I do read through logs, but I don't nominate images I don't have a reason to do so. Avoid this kind of all-open accusations. Comments like that were what destroyed what could have been a fruitful RFC. --Abu badali (talk) 00:10, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Being the policy police sucks, but somebody's gotta do it. Abu has shown himself to be more than capable and more than gracious in dealing with people. This whole case is just a matter of shooting the messenger. howcheng {chat} 17:50, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. Badali has shown himself to be overly agressive, "hunting down" other people's contributions and targeting articles well outside his scope but of close interest to another editor long after having dealings with them. That is where I begin to get really angry. This is much more than shooting the messenger. PageantUpdater User Talk Review me! 19:35, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
His "scope"? Is Abu only permitted to edit certain articles? Image policy violations are image policy violations, regardless of who commits them or what articles they appear in. If you don't want the policy cops to come and get you, then follow the policy. howcheng {chat} 21:40, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What I'm trying to explain is that he tags images as copyvio or interferes with articles that he would most likely not come across because they are of no interest to him. The only edits he has made to pageant related articles he has made, for example, are to tag images. And as for the "policy cops"... in many cases images he had proposed for deletion have been kept. See my comments above for Badali's handling of Melissa Lingafelt (on two occasions) and you'll see why I'm mighty pissed off. Fortunately for me, I'm heading off to Paris in a few hours and no longer need to worry about the cretan (hurrah for Paris!) PageantUpdater User Talk Review me! 21:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Please, no personal attacks. – Quadell (talk) (random) 20:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. I am not of the opinion that all of 3a,b,c, and d be implemented. Perhaps just a subset. But those are ideas for the arbcom, if they find them useful. – Quadell (talk) (random) 14:24, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum

As I continue dealing with image-deletion concerns, I am discovering that Abu's interpretation of our non-free content policy is not as unusually strict as I had previously thought. At any rate, I seem to be as far from the average (on the liberal side) as he is (on the conservative side). To put it another way, consensus disagrees with me about as often as it disagrees with Abu.

If the evidence convinces the ArbCom that Abu has been personally inappropriate in how he enforces policy (making bad-faith nominations of a user's images in response to one of that user's images being kept, for example), then a warning or sanctions are in order. If the evidence doesn't show this, then I don't see any reason to censure him. – Quadell (talk) (random) 12:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Grave concerns

Please, ArbCom members, I know there's a lot to read. But please see Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Abu badali/Proposed decision#Quadell's grave concerns before you vote. Thanks, – Quadell (talk) (random) 14:55, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Yakuman

While I am not a party to this case, I am one of the editors targeted by Abu badali.

On April 1, 2007, he tagged two of my contributions, File:Madreluna041.jpg and File:Decisiones042.jpg, then submitted them for deletion. He claimed that the copyright status was not stated. Yet the page actually contained a standard rationale listing these as non-replaceable publicity photos.

At the time I told him that we are here to build an encyclopedia that is freely constructed and available. We are not here to make a point about open source licenses except as a means of facilitating the writing of an encyclopedia. I suggested he do something to build the encyclopedia rather than tear it down. This did not deter him from his campaign to delete my contributions, which were properly used under current Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Yakuman (数え役満) 21:03, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: this user has been confirmed by checkuser to be the same as Mosquera (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), who, a day after making the above post, posted on another page related to this case, making further complaints against Abu badali's image tagging.[17] The same checkuser also found another sockpuppet Tarmikos (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), created to evade a block issued to Mosquera. ElinorD (talk) 21:55, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Move on?

This arbitration is starting to attract the kind of edits that ruined (from the begging) the tentative RFC on me. Some users are already posting up-to-date news about my latest deletion nomination, and we already have diffless accusations somewhere in this talk page. I hope we don't start to attract the personal attacks.

Is this arb case moving on in the usual pace? --Abu badali (talk) 00:37, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    • In fact, this arbcom ruling seems to indicate the whole line of "That wasn't an official RFC" is bogus; it WAS an official RFC, and I would say that, by endorsing it, Arbcom made valid the complaints of those 40 users who had a problem with Abu's behavior. The odd thing, of course, is one arbitrator writing: We have no reliable metric to indicate whether there really is widespread dissatisfaction or not when it comes to Abu's campaign, and while there certainly is a group of high profile Abu supporters, there should be no question that his actions, in conjunction with the new policy changes, have, in fact, upset many editors. Jenolen speak it! 23:31, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmmm

Considering that this wasn't a unanimous result, and that there were editors who seriously believed Abu Badali should have been put on probation, I think Howcheng's "congratulations" and barnstar given to Abu badali was a bit much and that his comment that he was "rather disappointed that there were no remedies addressed towards the parties who opened the case in the first place" was pretty inflamatory. I could probably have kept my hat on were it not for that comment of his. I think this illustrates the pro-Badali prejudice from the image patrollers which overran the "meek others" who had justified complaints against him but who appeared to be largely ignored. I would hope that Howcheng will be less inflamatory in the future. PageantUpdater talk • contribs 00:22, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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