Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Sean Elo-Rivera

This article was reopened and closed really quick yesterday. I composed a comment similar to this in the reasons for deletion section, but I guess it got deleted with the page:

Regarding Bearcat's unresolved claim that "NPOL #2 hinges specifically on whether or not the city is classified as a global city by one or more of the organizations listed in that article as eligible to confer that designation": San Diego has been determined to be a global city by the Brookings Institution, the Global Financial Centres Index, ING Media and there was at least one more that I had to google translate from Simplified Chinese. There is no evidence of a consensus on this AfD. Until the question of whether or not San Diego is a global city is resolved, and Bearcat can answer the question asked last January "what is NPOL #2", I have serious doubts that this deletion will be merited. Kire1975 (talk) 00:53, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The way it works is not "global city councillors get an automatic notability freebie that exempts them from having to be referenced properly" — the way this works is "global city councillors get to have articles if they're sourced and substanced properly, and still do not get to have articles if they aren't sourced and substanced properly". And what was recreated yesterday was the latter, not the former. And for added bonus, the talk page of an AFD discussion that was closed a year and a half ago is not the appropriate place to raise any guff about it now. Bearcat (talk) 00:56, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again, Bearcat. What is NPOL #2 and where does it say all that?? Also, does anyone know why the article was speedily deleted again yesterday? All evidence of new sources and their substantive/proper status was deleted along with it. Kire1975 (talk) 01:04, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

NPOL is the established notability standard that determines which politicians get articles and which politicians do not. It explicitly says that the state legislature is the lowest level of office that automatically guarantees an article to everybody who holds it, and it explicitly says that local politicians qualify for articles only if you can write a genuinely substantive article that shows a significant volume of press coverage. Local politicians get articles if you can write a substantive and very well-sourced article that goes into deep detail about the person's political significance — specific projects they spearheaded, specific effects they had on the development of the city, and on and so forth -- and do not get articles if all you do is write "so and so is a city councillor, the end".

Administrators still have access to deleted articles, by the way, which means I'm able to actually see what was written yesterday, and it did not meet the standard it would have to meet to be recreatable.

If you genuinely think that you can write a better article about Sean Elo-Rivera than what was deleted last year and yesterday, you're free to try your luck at Draft:Sean Elo-Rivera anytime you damn please. The original deletion discussion does not have to be overturned or relitigated before you can do that — but the article will have to be substantially better than what was deleted last year before a new draft could be accepted. And for that very reason, I am not interested in arguing or discussing this any further, especially in an inappropriate venue. AFD is not a permanent ban on a person ever being allowed to have a Wikipedia article; it's a judgement on the article as it stands at the time of the discussion, and the article as it stood last January was not what it would have needed to be — but that doesn't mean he can never have an article, it just means he can't keep the article he had as of January 2021. Bearcat (talk) 01:14, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see where WP:NPOL says that in a footnote now. Nothing becomes explicit by being labeled so. Italicizing it for emphasis and using profanity instead of just saying it's in the footnote is not necessary. Regards, Kire1975 (talk) 02:09, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]