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Landing at Nadzab

Promoted --Eurocopter (talk) 08:05, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator(s): Hawkeye7 (talk)
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I am nominating this article for A-Class review because... It is a large and important article about one of the lesser-known but more spectacular battles of World World II. And I think it's pretty interesting. Click on the external link at the bottom to watch a video on YouTube. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:28, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Very informative, but still requires a close copyedit. It would also be good to spell out which units were American vs. Australian for readers unfamiliar with the campaign. I expect that it might be a little awkward to phrase gracefully, but it's still necessary. A blanket statement would probably do since the bulk, if not all, of the air units involved were American. Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 06:00, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You mean other than by clicking on the links? Sorry, bad taste - of course they aren't going to click on the links. As it happens, the air forces involved did include many RAAF units, although most air units were American. I am puzzled as to why a casual foreign reader would care much. When reading French sources for the Great war, I discovered Australian, American, British and Canadian armies were all lumped together as les soldats anglais without much thought for the tribal differences. I guess I could compile an Order of Battle. Hawkeye7 (talk) 11:00, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • I'll get to more later, but as a preliminary thing, the bullet-points of the C-47 paratrooper loads rather stick out, and would look better integrated into the text, I think; they aren't well-received at FAC, either.
  • I'd also suggest checking prose, as this also appears to be something that will increasingly come up in FAC reviews as well. Skinny87 (talk) 12:25, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'll have a go at a later date. The automated tools don't pick up anything. Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Harclerode mentions that a series of diversionary operations were conducted to draw Japanese troops away from Lae, and these don't seem to be mentioned in the article.
    • Added a paragraph. Didn't want to get drawn into this, as it was actually larger and longer than the battle covered by the article. It has its own article, although it is still a stub. Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • And that's all, really; not much for me to get my teeth into with this article, the 503rd didn't do much more than land and set up some roadblocks.
    • Vasey wasn't allowed to use the 503rd as infantry. Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Still, good job so far. Skinny87 (talk) 20:57, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments - (this version)
    • One external link appears to be dead.
      • It's a link at Maxwell AFB. Other pages there still link to it, so I'm hoping that they'll just fix the problem. I sent them an email. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:22, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Update: Got a reply. The base IT personnel are working to correct the problem. May take a few days. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:22, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Any source for the opening image?
      • Several. But this copy came from the AWM. Updated image info. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:22, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • File:Short 25pdr.jpg: PD or non-commercial use only?
      • It's in the public domain, the copyright having expired. The AWM has since conceded this point. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:22, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • File:C-47 transport planes loaded for Nadzab .jpg: created by the U.S. Army? That's the only tag you need. :)
    • Bradley (2003) appears in your references section but does not seem to be an in-line citation...
      • I originally used it but then switched to his book during the edit process... Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:22, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • OCLC's for the books would be nice so a reader can find the books in a library near them easily; just type worldcat.org/isbn/########## into your browesr, replacing the #'s with the ISBN. —Ed 17 (Talk / Contribs) 15:18, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • (Has a look.) Needs work. Took me a couple of goes to figure out that you have to key in your four-digit post code. They believe the Fryer Library at UQ is in Canberra when it's actually at St Lucia, QLD — 1200 km away. (Sent them an email.) It doesn't know about local libraries, just passes you on to the ACT Library service... Keyed in a more difficult book and it told me that the nearest copy is 14,000 km away.
      • Somebody put OCLCs in one of the biographical articles but I can't remember which one. Sounds like an obvious job for a bot. (Looks at API doco.) RSS. Should be simple enough. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:22, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Heh...never mind, how about. ;) Good luck on the bot; I don't know anything about programming, so I can't help. Cheers, —Ed 17 (Talk / Contribs) 23:17, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is another excellent and highly detailed article which meets the A-class criteria. I have a few comments for the article's development which you might want to consider:
    • I think that the introduction is a bit too long
      • I don't know if it is really that long; I think that it is many short paragraphs. Maybe some could be combined? —Ed 17 (Talk / Contribs) 01:27, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Trimmed it a little, and combined two paragraphs. Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • The sentence"This meant that, in the initial stages of the operation at least, the 7th Division would have to be maintained by air" is a bit unclear - this could be changed to something like 'the lack of an overland supply route meant that the 7th Division would have to be initially maintained by air"
    • I think that the article would benefit from a comprehensive copyedit before a FAC - I spotted a few typos and missing words, and I suspect that there are more Nick-D (talk) 01:12, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • There's always more... Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • By the way, I just added a photo to the article, which isn't as famous or clear as AWM 030141/24 but I think that it's more dramatic (oddly, the AWM record says that the gunners are 'relaxing', when at least two of them look terrified!) Nick-D (talk) 01:21, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support.
  • "The 25th Infantry Brigade reaching the town shortly before the 9th Division, advancing on Lae from the opposite direction." That's not a sentence.
  • Please move some images left for balance.
  • "Transport aircraft controlled by the 54th Troop Carrier Wing, commanded by Colonel Paul H. Prentiss, with his headquarters at Port Moresby." Fragment.
All minor issues that should be easily fixable. – Joe N 22:54, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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