Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Wikinger

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User:Wikinger

Suspected sockpuppeteer
Wikinger (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
Suspected sockpuppets
CBMIBM (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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Mayalld (talk) 13:53, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence
  1. Both accounts have engaged in very similar non-substance edits to remove extra spaces from articles
  2. Both accounts have engaged in talk page refactoring
  3. Both use identical false arguments about reducing page load time when challenged about their behaviour.
  4. User:CBMIBM edited User:Wikinger's user page to say that the password had been lost
  5. User:CBMIBM was created less than 12 hours after User:Wikinger was blocked for a week for tenditious editing
  6. Both accounts use identical, and unusual linguistic constructs, in particular; thus, I resign from... when assuring other editors that they promise not to continue with a particular problematic editing style.
  7. User:CBMIBM just a little too quick to assure people that the IP address of his edits and User:Wikinger prove that they aren't the same person.
Supplemental evidence
  1. Both accounts feel compelled to make small changes to talk pages (removing double-lines, and double spaces) in the mistaken opinion that doing so save on server space and page rendering time. See, for example, Wikinger's conversations with User:Nick in the last thread of his talk page here, against CBMIBM's conversations with Mayalld here. GBT/C 17:38, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments

I behave now constructively, and all coincidencies are accidental and former. Please permit me to exist in Wikipedia under CBMIBM nick. For proof please look that Wikinger asks for changing his name to other than CBMIBM: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pro%C5%9Bby_o_zmian%C4%99_nazwy_u%C5%BCytkownika#Wikinger_na_PC CBMIBM (talk) 14:00, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A checkuser on Wikinger returned a number of socks and likely link between Wikinger and CBMIBM - given that, and the evidence above, it is almost impossible that the two are not the same user, in which case the creation of the CBMIBM account during the unexpired one week block (after having been extended from 48 hours) of the Wikinger account is clearly the use of socks to evade a legitimate block.
Despite the user's assurances, he does continue to edit (as CBMIBM) in a tendentious manner, and in particular has been harrassing User:Evertype despite being told to desist on multiple occasions.
I believe that the user has a dynamic IP, so presumably blocking both CBMIBM and Wikinger permanently would be akin to slapping a plaster (bandaid) on a gunshot wound. It might stop things for a moment, but not for long. Would a range block be suitable? Or would there be too much collateral damage? GBT/C 14:19, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Harassing Evertype is past. Believe me. I was banned from Evertype's talk page by Fut.Perf and never will break it. Wikinger's edits finished in end of 2007 and didn't went beyond end of this year. Thus please don't block me. CBMIBM (talk) 14:24, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't block me, because I never will break banning me from Evertype's talk. I even made some constructive edits in Greek numerals related articles, and will constructively contribute in future, thus block is unneeded. CBMIBM (talk) 14:31, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The issue at point here is no simply your current tenditious editing behaviour, but the question of whether you are User:Wikinger. You have repeatedly denied that you are, yet you seem to know too much about what he is doing, and be too quick to find "proof" that you aren't, which looks to be manufactured rather than real. And at other times, your comments seem to imply that you are indeed the same person as User:Wikinger, but are now reformed. Now, which is it?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayalld (talk • contribs)
I know all about Wikinger from his edit history available here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wikinger and used infos from there after extensive crawling to defend me from false accusation of being Wikinger, I even from this edit history know that he abandoned his account in last days of 2007. That is all. I even didn't posted PIE=Adamic things as frequently as did it Wikinger. Wikinger ridiculously ignored all soft bans, while I'm heeding them immediately, as in case of Evertype. My first encounter with Wikinger's ideas was here, when I didn't knew that they are his ideas but I saw them interesting. My next step was googling more in matter that PIE=Adamic, and in this way I found Wikinger's ideas here in Wikipedia as even more interesting to me. As of base-7 system, I really think that God uses not only base-7 system, but all at least 19 systems at least in continuous range from base-2 to base-20, (second ten of numerals can have format from nulleven (0) to ninelve (9) , all between 9 and 10, but then numbers from 11 to 19 should have now format from oneteen to nineteen), because in Bible are base-6, base-7, base-10 and base-12 systems, while Wikinger thought here that God is limited only to base-7 system. As you see, my ideas are quite different from Wikinger's ideas, but in area of roughly the same interest. As you see, I build on his ideas further, as he never ever did. Further proof of difference between blanker and me is here:
CBMIBM (talk) 15:24, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Capitulation

I hided my Wikinger's former identity because I feared that I will be blocked, but if you, Mayalld told me that if I will reform and admit that Wikinger=CBMIBM, then I will be permitted to be here without any block. If you gave me clear choice, I choose NOW deconspiration and reform way. I really was Wikinger, but to unify my accounts I abandoned my former account and created new one. Please as reward permit to stay here under CBMIBM name and not block me even temporarily. CBMIBM (talk) 17:39, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Conclusions

Identity of the two accounts was really never in question, it was plain obvious. Continuous denial was just a Very Silly Idea, and it's good that this has now been dropped at last. The initial block evasion of the new account (editing during Wikinger's block) is now stale, as the original block would have long expired. CBMIBM, please choose one of these two accounts as the one you want to keep using; I will then soft-block the other with a suitable link between the two for transparency. What remains is a general problem of uncommunicative behaviour. Please consider yourself as placed under a kind of parole; I would say that any further disruptive behaviour is likely to be met with blocks pretty quickly (but I'd want to leave this to other administrators, since I've been engaging in content discussions with you). Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:19, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I finally choose for my main account CBMIBM account, and abandon Wikinger account, thus please soft-block Wikinger account and don't block CBMIBM account. CBMIBM (talk) 20:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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