Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Hardouin
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User:Hardouin
- Suspected sockpuppeteer
Hardouin (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
- Suspected sockpuppets
Ckoicedelire (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
George kush (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
HalfMoonBay (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) - Note: the last edit from this account was in January 2006.
Pedro carras (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) - Note: the last edit from this account was in June 2006.
Minato ku (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
195.93.102.35 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) - (used with other IP's to "win" a longstanding revert war in Economy of Paris article visible here (page history).
- Report submission by
Shalom Hello 12:35, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Evidence
The has been an active contributor to Paris-based articles for over two years now, but has profited from the low-contributor input on the same to force certain inventive propos of his own as fact. The right or wrong of this doesn't matter here; my concern is this contributor's habit of knee-jerk revert-warring to "protect" his propos (in ingnorance of all reason and references) in any way possible, even resorting to sockpuppetry to get "his word" in place. One can also add calculated slander and other manipulative behaviour to the list.
The list of suspected sockpuppets can be found at Category:Suspected_Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Hardouin. All have at one time or another reverted to 'to the letter' former versions written by User:Hardouin, and one of these has even been blocked after breaking (circumventing? Don't remember) the WP:3RR rule to 'protect' the same. Most of this revolves around the use of one term, and changes are most always to the same.
The list of coincidences is too overwhelming - how can a newly-registered user come to one page only hours after an edit to the same to revert it to a former version written... by someone else? And this repeatedly, to the same articles? One of these puppets have been proven with the help of User:Green Giant and an admin, but the rest are similar to a point of being far beyond suspect. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 11:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments
Cross-posted from WP:ANI. Shalom Hello 12:35, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- See also Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive268#ThePromenader's bullying attitude. There is a nasty ongoing dispute between ThePromenader (the plaintiff in this case) and Hardouin (the defendant). Shalom Hello 12:48, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You're quite right to mention this. This complaint here is part of the feud waged against me by ThePromenader. This guy has a habit of accusing me of creating sock-puppets. If push comes to shove, I will unearth the nasty accusations made by ThePromenader against User:Metropolitan. He accused Metropolitan of being my sock-puppet, and he went as far as checking Metropolitan's IP address and even finding out the location of Metropolitan's parents in a suburb of Paris! If you think this is crazy, it is. Ask Metropolitan for more information. I can unearth the relevent messages of ThePromenader if needs be. They are buried somewhere in the talk page history of these two users. Also ask User:Stevage, a user who knows ThePromenader and his behavior in the Paris-related article. Also, I have one question. If a user makes false accusations of sock-puppettry and these accusations are proven to be wrong, is there any sanction for that behavior ? So far ThePromenader has escaped any real sanction, except a few blocks for breaking the 3RR, and I'm really getting sick and tired of these constant accusations against me. Hardouin 18:33, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, but I have made no accusation here against Metropolitan now, even if I have spoken with him personally about it in the past. May I remind you that it was the sockpuppetry of you, Hardouin, that resulted in that accusation. I don't know how many times I have mentioned this in the past, but it is actually he who divulged the story behind his own IP/publication story. Still I have my doubts, but still I make no accusation. So, what relevence has this story here?
- You're quite right to mention this. This complaint here is part of the feud waged against me by ThePromenader. This guy has a habit of accusing me of creating sock-puppets. If push comes to shove, I will unearth the nasty accusations made by ThePromenader against User:Metropolitan. He accused Metropolitan of being my sock-puppet, and he went as far as checking Metropolitan's IP address and even finding out the location of Metropolitan's parents in a suburb of Paris! If you think this is crazy, it is. Ask Metropolitan for more information. I can unearth the relevent messages of ThePromenader if needs be. They are buried somewhere in the talk page history of these two users. Also ask User:Stevage, a user who knows ThePromenader and his behavior in the Paris-related article. Also, I have one question. If a user makes false accusations of sock-puppettry and these accusations are proven to be wrong, is there any sanction for that behavior ? So far ThePromenader has escaped any real sanction, except a few blocks for breaking the 3RR, and I'm really getting sick and tired of these constant accusations against me. Hardouin 18:33, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Anyhow, Hardouin has until today had little knowledgable opposition to his inventive impositions, thus all the fuss. All I ask is that all concerned consider the plausibility of the abovementioned circumstances being pure coincidence, and there you will find the motive of my claim. Take care, all. THEPROMENADER 19:14, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've added a couple more puppets to the list. I'm really getting tired of next-to-no contrib editors showing up to 'support' or revert to User:Hardouin's unverifiable inventive ideas - as again just last night in the Economy of Paris talk page. All appear as if by magic at a single article where, just by coincidence of course, at that moment an edit war or discussion about contested article content is taking place. The attempts at language change are sometimes comical, but the 'arguments' and terminology are always the same. All user pages above gravitate around the same Paris-based articles. All user pages above are minimal or empty.
Amongst other things, Hardouin seems to think Wikipedia to be a platform to his own ideas and opinions. True that he enjoyed an almost total freedom to present his opinion as fact for almost a year, but this was before I and others began to impose references on such articles. This reverting, edit-disrupting and discussion-corrupting little sock-puppet army has been part of his long-standing defense against referenced fact and consensus, I would like very much that it cease to exist. THEPROMENADER 07:52, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Conclusions
It's been eleven months since Hardouin's last block. My research does not substantiate the claim that these suspected sockpuppets stepped in during those times. It's rather tardy to make this type of assertion, but the claim of WP:OWNing Paris-related articles for two years is rather serious. So I've also located several underlying IP addresses for the suspected sockpuppets and none of them originate from the same providers. Strongly recommend dry just-the-facts-ma'am presentations with page diffs when requesting investigation. Refer the underlying conflict to WP:DR. Specifically suggest mediation since this dispute ranges over several articles. If that doesn't resolve your problems, try arbitration. DurovaCharge! 19:09, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It also should be noted that there was an eight-month delay in Hardouin's edits.
- This was not a "tardy" claim, but a resumé of all accumulated puppet activity - the latest occurences were just the proverbial straw. Such a timely activity to help revert articles untouched since months - reverts all to the same inventive terminology and version (Hardouin's own) - is impossible to chalk up to coincidence. It is quite simple to adopt other IP's, so please don't this alone decide your case.
- Advice taken for the exposition/mediation suggestions. I tried to pack two years of misbehaviour into one report - my bad. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 22:01, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- If two years of problem behavior have occurred then that merits attention in its own right. I looked into the sockpuppetry question, which is the normal scope of this board, and didn't see any smoking guns. There wasn't enough evidence to pursue these claims further. DurovaCharge! 22:51, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Closing per Durova; no clear circumstantial evidence of sockpuppetry. If the accounts are used abusively, consider a request for checkuser. MastCell Talk 16:36, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]