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10 March 2015
Suspected sockpuppets


Quack quack, no prior discussion or interaction between the two to my knowledge. I've also had to previously warn both about edit warring in copyright violations, and both have proven unable to understand the concept. CU is not needed for this case, but that one was established while the other was still active, I suspect we've got someone who willfully intends to use sockpuppets and probably has sleepers. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:09, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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  • @Callanecc: It was i who earlier added both WorldCreaterFighter (talk · contribs) and Spiritclaymore (talk · contribs) as suspected socks of Tirgil34 (talk · contribs). I explained the reasons here. At the most recent investigation, only a few suspected socks were endorsed. Nevertheless a very large number of users were confirmed as socks by DeltaQuad (talk · contribs), including suspects i listed which were not endorsed for a CU. Due to these revelations, i'm considering launching another investigation containing both newly discovered and some earlier listet non-stale suspects. WorldCreaterFighter and Spiritclaymore initially belonged to the latter group. However would it be inappropriate to list them now that you have checked them in this investigation? Krakkos (talk) 21:13, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, i'm also quite certain that 92.236.36.173 (talk · contribs) is a WP:IPSOCK of WorldCreaterFighter/Spiritclaymore.[1] Krakkos (talk) 21:13, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Callanecc: As you've now stated that there were no sleepers, never mind my question above. Krakkos (talk) 23:03, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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  •  Clerk endorsed - There is a possibility that this case is somehow linked to the massive WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Tirgil34 case, so I'm endorsing the CU to check if there are more accounts. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:17, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • They're  Confirmed to each other with no other sleepers but Red X Unrelated to Tirgil34. @Vanjagenije: In the future could you please describe why you think there's a link, makes it easier for CUs and clerks & admins reviewing the case in the future. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 08:04, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The sock has been blocked and the master was given a 1 week block. As the IP hasn't made an edit for about 3 weeks (and the diff you provided was back in October) I'm going to leave it be for now. Mike V • Talk 18:09, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
25 April 2015
Suspected sockpuppets


On 10 March 2015, a sockpuppetry investigation of Spiritclaymore (talk · contribs) as a sock of WorldCreaterFighter (talk · contribs) was filed by Ian.thomson (talk · contribs). I added the IP 92.236.36.173 (talk · contribs) as an WP:IPSOCK of WorldCreaterFighter, but this was rejected by WP:CLERK Mike V (talk · contribs) because the IP had not been editing for a while. This IP is clearly WorldCreaterFighter/Spiritclaymore, as illustrated by this diff.[2] The WP:CHECKUSER was endorsed by clerk Vanjagenije (talk · contribs), and Spiritclaymore was confirmed as a sock of WorldCreaterFighter by Checkuser Callanecc (talk · contribs). On 13 April, sockmaster WorldCreaterFighter was blocked indefinately by administrator Diannaa (talk · contribs) for sockpuppetry, repeated copyviolations and other disruptive edits. After the recent block of sockmaster WorldCreaterFighter, WorldCreaterFigher has been violating his block through the same IP. The IP's most recent edit concerns Terence Tao's Cantonese ancestry.[3] The first edit by Spiritclaymore was to Cantonese people[4] and WorldCreaterFighter has edited Cantonese people as well.[5][6] Krakkos (talk) 20:00, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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 Clerk note: The IP 92.236.36.173 obviously belongs to WorldCreaterFighter (signs as Spiritclaymore here), and is very active there days. Should be blocked. Vanjagenije (talk) 22:31, 28 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • When looking at their contribs I can see that is the same editor going back to 2013. As their IP is that persistent, I have hardblocked it for 3 years. Closing.
     — Berean Hunter (talk) 14:35, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
10 July 2015
Suspected sockpuppets


The first edit by Namela123 is to restore[7] copyviolated content at Pazyryk burials originally added by WordlCreaterFighter's blocked IP sock 92.236.36.173.[8] WorldCreaterFighter has been restoring this content numerous times both through the master account[9][10] and the confirmed sock Spiritclaymore.[11] At Turkish people Namela123 also restores[12] content originally added by WorldCreaterFighter's blocked IP sock.[13] At Bulgars Namela123 restores[14] content originally added by the master account.[15] At Indus Valley Civilization Namela123 restores content added by Spiritclaymore.[16] Namela123 adds the same content as Spiritclaymore to Eurasian (mixed ancestry)[17][[18]] Interracial marriage,[19][20] Miscegenation.[21][22] and Pazyryk culture.[23] Bear in mind that this is precisely the same copyviolated content which WorldCreaterFight was indefinately blocked for persistently insterting. Namela123 is probably either a sock of WorldCreaterFighter or someone pretending to be him. I'm adding a CU request to check for sleepers. Krakkos (talk) 18:51, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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08 December 2015

Suspected sockpuppets


Same interests in races of Eurasia, genetics, Cantonese people, Arakan massacres in 1942, Rohingya people etc. Definately a WorldCreaterFighter sock. Same attempts to insert "Mongoloid" to Ordos culture.[24][25] Also see edits of his IP 92.236.36.173. Krakkos (talk) 16:54, 8 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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11 December 2015

Suspected sockpuppets


This is clearly the IP from which WorldCreaterFighter is now editing from. Same interests spanning from racial theories and genetics, China, to rape during the occupation of Germany. Should be hardblocked as his previous IP 92.236.36.173 Krakkos (talk) 21:30, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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01 January 2016

Suspected sockpuppets


HeichtiSmech restores[39] the edit by WorldCreaterFighter sock ConspiracyThinkerPeople at Rape during the occupation of Germany.[40] Krakkos (talk) 00:43, 1 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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01 January 2016

Suspected sockpuppets


Mvarle13 and Ms02090209 are similar SPA socks editing Ainu people, just like ConspiracyThinkerPeople, HeichtiSmech and IP sock 77.98.238.98. ChowChowWong makes similar edits like 92.236.36.173 and Spiritclaymore to Taishanese people. Dan Capoccia restores edits by various WorldCreaterFighter socks at Ainu people. Krakkos (talk) 01:26, 1 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Except for one edit on Korea, all of Dan' Capoccia's edits have been to restore sockpuppet edits. Doug Weller talk 10:07, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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ChowChowWong (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Dan Capoccia (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
  • The following accounts appear to be Red X Unrelated:
Ms02090209
Mvarle13
no No comment with respect to IP address(es). Mike V • Talk 00:26, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

10 February 2017

Suspected sockpuppets

Primarily for the user X Aterui x, as the 1st 2 are already confirmed as socks; the ip sock evidence is much weaker. The user edits on articles related to Turkey, Ryukyu/Okinawa, and Korea/Japan. The user appears to be the same as this Quora profile [41] with the same name, who repeats many similar statements and shares the exact same beliefs as what the user has edited on Wikipedia. Th primary evidence for adding X Aterui x is this edit[42], which repeats these edits [43] and [44] on Jomon period by Kumasojin 熊襲. The user removes "less than" and replaces with "about", and adds erroneous, highly inflated percentages. X Aterui x also uses the exact same reference above that is also found in another Kumasojin edit on Turanism ([45]. X Aterui x makes an edit on Taiwan independence movement here [46] that is very similar to a statement made here by 일성강 on Quora here [47] "For Japanese .... So they Support a free Taiwan, a free tibet and mostly all southeast-asian nations against the peoples republic of China.". The IP editor also repeats the erroneous genetic percentage inflation for Jomon here [48] and also made edits in articles related to Okinawa/Ryukyu. Fraenir (talk) 17:23, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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06 April 2017

Suspected sockpuppets

Repetitive editing of adding irrelevant genetic studies to a linguistic/archaeological subsection and unsourced allegations that Koreans are from Chinese.[49][50][51][52]

Alleging that a Korean historical figure is Han Chinese.[53][54]

Opposition against Altaic theory.[55][56] Veritas et aequitas Korea (talk) 06:56, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There is a common emphasis of relating Koreans to Chinese and distancing Koreans from others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Veritas et aequitas Korea (talk • contribs) 07:13, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Indeffed sock, blocked master two weeks and hardblocking 213.162.68.0/24 for a year. He has been prolific in hopping those IPs as seen here. Closing.
     — Berean Hunter (talk) 22:36, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

22 May 2017

Suspected sockpuppets

Biased editing and edit warring in a broad spectrum of Korean topics, usually with the intention of distorting origins of Korean culture and language from what seems to be a Chinese nationalistic point of view.

[57] [58] [59] [60] [61] [62] [63] [64] 제승원 (talk) 03:35, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Are you serious. I am not the person that is violating wikipedia rules or delete sourced content that do not fit my worldview. If you would look close, i never support any chinese claims. Chinese would claim koreans as chinese...

For example: Koreans You deleted several times the newest researches of korean-origin, and get reverted from mostly all other users.

The source clearly say: "Koreans are the descendants or an admixture of the ancient people who settled the Korean Peninsula, often said to be Siberian,[10][11] paleo-Asian[12] or proto-Dravidian[13] tribes."

"Studies of polymorphisms in the human Y-chromosome have so far produced evidence to suggest that the Korean people have a long history as a distinct, mostly endogamous ethnic group, with successive waves of people moving to the peninsula and three major Y-chromosome haplogroups.[20] A recent study made by the Ulsan National Institute of Science and Technology (UNIST) and international research teams from the UK, Russia and Germany in 2017 indicates that modern Koreans are descendants of peoples from today's Russian Far East and Southern Asia over 13,000-7,000 years ago, with closer genetic connection to people from Southeast Asia,[21] especially with Taiwanese and native Vietnamese groups.[22] The research team said that the Ulchi people have a genetic structure which is the closest to modern Koreans.[21] Bhak Jong-hwa who is a professor in the biomedical engineering department at the Ulsan National Institute of Science and Technology Genome Research Foundation said that Koreans were formed from a pre-existing Northern Mongoloid group, a Southern Mongoloid group that went north and an additional Southern Mongoloid group. Bhak also said that Koreans were formed from the admixture of hunter-gatherers on the peninsula and agricultural Southern Mongoloids from Vietnam who went through China.[23] The reference population for Koreans used in Geno 2.0 Next Generation is 94% Eastern Asia and 5% Southeast Asia & Oceania.[24]"

Or the infobox(also included from another user) say: admixture in modern koreans: 48% north east and and 52% Southeast Asian.

(!! The researches are from a korean university in ulsan, a university in hawai'i and a english-german-russian research team. Nothing chink)

About haplogroup O2B/O-M176: the siurce say: Indonesians: 0.194 36 M176(x47z)=6 47z=1 Jin 2009 (=~20%) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.95.8.219 (talk) 07:16, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Also in the hanbok article, I deleted out the Chinese claim. I included only the well sourced iranian/scythian influence on korea. Also from a korean source. Even the former president park is mentioned in the source where she speaks about the connections between the crowns of silla and iranian crowns in today Afghanistan.

So what is your problem you ultra-nationalistic korean racist?

Altaic theory is discredited if you haven't heard that. Welcome in 2017!

And i am btw. half japanese half european.212.95.8.219 (talk) 07:11, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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We don't publicly disclose the IP(s) of named accounts. CU declined.--Bbb23 (talk) 06:22, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • No one's edited in over a month, closing. GABgab 02:57, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

15 June 2017

Suspected sockpuppets


Requesting CheckUser to find sleepers. Krakkos (talk) 10:30, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The case is  Stale. CU declined.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:01, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

05 August 2017

Suspected sockpuppets

Major overlap in edits between KnowledgeAndPeace, WorldCreaterFighter, and past socks like DragoniteLeopard:

IP signed as KnowledgeAndPeace: [92]. KnowledgeAndPeace restores IP's edits ([93], [94])

DUCK quacks are getting deafening.

Requesting CU for the account, not the IP EvergreenFir (talk) 22:41, 5 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Been a few days and no admin comments yet. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:15, 8 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Courcelles: the previous sock account mentioned here DragoniteLeopard (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) was reported here back in June. I thought less that two months was within the window before "staleness". EvergreenFir (talk) 06:18, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • From a checkuser standpoint, this case is  Stale. I've got nothing to compare with the listed sock. Courcelles (talk) 15:42, 10 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • EvergreenFir it is 90 days data retention based on their last edit date which in this case was 5-12. The account in the archive is indeed stale now. I've hardblocked the IP for six months and indeffed the sock account. Closing.
     — Berean Hunter (talk) 19:45, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

31 August 2017

Suspected sockpuppets

Editing the same articles (Kitchee SC, Cantonese people) as sock KnowledgeAndPeace, similar badly written voluminous and argumentative edit summaries, simiar wanton reverting JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 05:54, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I too was keeping an eye on this user thinking they might be a sock. Note the gap between account creation and first edit. EvergreenFir (talk) 06:28, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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This case is being reviewed by Sro23 as part of the clerk training process. Please allow them to process the entire case without interference, and pose any questions or concerns either on their Talk page or on this page if more appropriate.

  • Pink clock Awaiting administrative action - Note how this edit compared to this one, it's nearly identical. Please indef the sockpuppet. Sro23 (talk) 16:08, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Blocked and tagged. GABgab 18:55, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

24 September 2017

Suspected sockpuppets

Editing on ethnicity pages, specifically on lists of notable people.

Edited on entry a previous sock edited ([95] [96]). User went straight to Cantonese people where many socks have edited before (see page history).

Requesting CU for sleeper check. User has many socks in record EvergreenFir (talk) 17:22, 24 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's been over a week. Can someone kindly attend to this? EvergreenFir (talk) 04:54, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Following are  Confirmed,  Blocked and tagged:
Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 10:04, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

12 October 2017

Suspected sockpuppets

Past sock: [97] SushigirlJessice: [98]

Brand new account went straight to Cantonese people, a long-term target of the sockmaster EvergreenFir (talk) 17:53, 12 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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19 October 2017

Suspected sockpuppets


The account was created at 13:58, 17 October 2017, almost immediately started edit-warring at South Korea–Turkey relations (21:05, 17 October 2017). I went to the revision history and started finding suspicious overlaps (Korean POV editing) with these two Austrian IP addresses (Editor Interaction Analyser). I am hoping a clerk would take a look at this to see if it calls for a CU. Alex ShihTalk 18:57, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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"GoguryeoHistorian" is possibly another sockpuppet of the longtime Austria-IP pro-Austronesian anti-Turan anti-Altaic nationalist.

GoguryeoHistorian suddenly appeared on South Korea-Turkey relations with the same motivation as 212.95.8.185

These are his suspected accounts that I know of. There are most likely more. [99] [100] [101] [102] [103] [104] [105] [106]


And there are many more one-time use IPs such as 212.95.8.* and other accounts. I don't think diffs are necessary because his posting style and preoccupations are so focused and obvious that scanning his post history makes it obvious. Just taking a look at the post histories will show really obvious QUACKING.

-Posts from Austria, sometimes from neighboring countries. Will frequently use Austria T-mobile to phonepost.

-Extreme preoccupation and bias of Austronesian/Dravidian.

-Extreme preoccupation and animosity of Turanism, Turkey, and Altaic.

-Extreme preoccupation with distancing Japanese and Korean language and race away from Altaics and toward Austronesian.

-Usually makes edits to languages and history.

-Claims to be Japanese or Korean or both but is actually neither. [107] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.36.56 (talk) 21:33, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]


I concur with the user above. See here: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/213.162.72.246 Probably other sockpuppets used by this ethno-POV account on a mission. Regards Akocsg (talk) 21:43, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • These IPs are clearly the same as GoguryeoHistorian, and all of them have engaged in POV-pushing, edit-warring, and incivility across multiple pages. I have thus blocked GoguryeoHistorian for 1 week. Closing. GABgab 00:20, 20 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • information Administrator note Block extended to 2 weeks for using 212.95.8.136 (talk · contribs) and 212.95.8.240 (talk · contribs) for block evasion. 212.95.8.128/25  Range blocked. GABgab 16:14, 21 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Clerk note: As per Berean Hunter here:
  • Cases merged, blocks and tags dished out. We're not done here, so placing this  On hold. GABgab 19:30, 21 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Closing so we can archive this then do a histmerge, as suggested by Berean Hunter. GABgab 18:59, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

24 November 2017

Suspected sockpuppets

The dispute started at Hanbok, then eventually Pazyryk culture. In a dispute over Hanbok this IP user kept calling me a cockroach in Japanese and other various ad hominem attacks[108][109][110][111][112] and made no substantive effort to talk over it in the discussion page.[113] As soon as 213.162.72.238 got banned, other IPs within the 213.162.72.* range was used to evade the block and continue editing Pazyryk culture.[114][115] Currently, Hanbok is locked in a version in his favor. VeryGoodBoy (talk) 21:29, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

These IPs are consistent with other socks and IPs, that they usually engage in Turckic/Korean/Japanese/Chinese issues with a determined POV. VeryGoodBoy (talk) 21:44, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If you see the investigation archive, the 213.162.* IP range has already been pointed out as IP socks of this user. VeryGoodBoy (talk) 21:48, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I added 80.243.173.100. It began reverting same articles as soon as 213.162.72.* got banned. WHOIS indicates same geographical locality. VeryGoodBoy (talk) 14:11, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims. I have already ask to you to use the talk. The deleted sentence is not in english and make no sense. Desbite that my edits are all sourced and accepted. But you keep deleting them or pushing your strange opinion. You are the one using POV. To say that "Koreans" lived at the altai mountains and that koreans was the counterpart of the Scythians is unhistorical POV. also i have asked you many times to use the TALKPAGE. But you ignore it. I also showed you the source that say the opposite of you claim. It is stated that the mummy found has caucasoid features and is believed to be of Tocharian or Scythian origin. And NO ONE support a "korean" origin of this mummy. And to your claim I am no sock. I use a mobile IP, that change by move and by login into the net. But i quess it is useless to explain this to a korean pov nationalist. You koreansentry members are a shame for asians and humanity. Please admins keep a watch on these korean nationalist. There are alrew many who are blocked. Mostly based in the USA or australia. CHECK HIS EDIT HISTORY AND HIS BLOCK LOG. CHECK THE OTHER KOREAN BLOCKED USERS. CHECK MY EDITS CAREFULLY AND SHOW ME WHERE I VANDALIZED OR EDITED WRONG.ϜϓſϞ213.162.72.163 (talk) 22:15, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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GeneralizationsAreBad Please do so, and quickly. It's becoming a pain to keep up with, and revert their edits. Boomer VialHolla! We gonna ball! 08:49, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@GeneralizationsAreBad: The collateral is fairly low – go for it. ~ Rob13Talk 14:34, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Range blocked, closing. GABgab 14:50, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

02 February 2018

Suspected sockpuppets

Past socks edit on East Asian ethnicities with lists of notable people. Check user would be appreciated with the data aren't too stale given this user's history of socking . Example edits [116] [117] [118] EvergreenFir (talk) 04:06, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, give me until Monday please. I'll try to put stuff together. EvergreenFir (talk) 03:11, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  •  Clerk declined - Everything in the archives looks  Stale, sorry.  Behavioural evidence needs evaluation. GABgab 21:57, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Evidence is insufficient. Closing without action. Sro23 (talk) 17:10, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

21 February 2018

Suspected sockpuppets


I know this user as User:Kumasojin 熊襲. It says that this sock is now listed under this new name, so I'm filling it here. This user (Kumasojin variant) likes to edit around Korean and Japanese languages/ethnicity topics and supports fringe genetic theories. This user's loves to use Alexander Vovin to support his claims. Previous sock refs [119]; here's the IP sock's vovin refs[120][121][122][123]. Strongly anti-Altaic. Previous socks: [124][] Current IP sock [125]. Makes the same exact changes as a previous sock[126] here[127]. Constantly links Gaya to Japonic vs Korea, previous sock[128] and IP[129]. I could go on and on, but this is clearly the same banned sockpuppet editor. Fraenir (talk) 11:05, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Fraenir (talk) 11:05, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  •  IP blocked. GABgab 19:09, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]


22 February 2018

Suspected sockpuppets

Adding fringe genetic theories, restoring edits of blocked socking IP to Cantonese people JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 16:03, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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04 March 2018

Suspected sockpuppets


Same profile of pretending to be a certain ethnicity, obsession with fringe genetics, interest in Japan/Korea topics, anti-Altaic, obsession with tracing the origins of the Jomon and Ainu, and oddly obsessed with the article Kitchee SC: IP[130], previous socks[131][132]. This is the smoking gun.[133][134] The IP sock edits and changes the signature date, as a continuation of sock User:KnowledgeAndPeace's arguments on the talk page here[135] , just after the user was banned. Makes almost the same edit here with the exact same source and source format (a careful look at the source format should make it very clear); with the IP[136], with sock user User:KnowledgeAndPeace here[137]. Also removes the same info on Altaic languages here as the IP[138] and here as the sock.[139] Fraenir (talk) 08:32, 4 March 2018 (UTC) Fraenir (talk) 08:32, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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This is an already once blocked IP used by this editor; see the editing history > 6 months ago, block log, and the archive.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 09:20, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I suspect this user is using this old, known IP sock to edit war with himself to legitimize this new IP editor 121.214.36.82 who also just popped up. Their writing style is exactly the same and they argue the same way. This new IP 121.214.36.82 also likes to make absurd attacks like this [140] which is typical for this suckpuppet editor; of course, this IP also uses it as an opportunity to sneak in fringe genetic theories into another article on Wikipedia. Also makes odd claims about Chinese propaganda on Wikipedia[141], similar to ones made by the sockpuppet here.[142] Fraenir (talk) 11:17, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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17 May 2018

Suspected sockpuppets

Restores[143] the exact same edit made multiple times by various sockpuppets of this sockmaster on this page: previous sock edits on this page by multiple confirmed socks socks[144], [145]. Makes the exact same edit here[146] as a previous confirmed IP sock here[147]. Has the same range of editing interests as Kumasojin/WorldCreationFighter. It's highly unusual for this IP editor with limited edits to have such a huge overlap of editing on similar articles, ranging from rather disparate topics like Wucheng culture (shown above), South Korea–Turkey relations (by the IP sock[148]; previous socks User:GoguryeoHistorian[149] (only showing one of many), User:일성강[150] to Haplogroup DE, Haplogroup D-M174, Haplogroup D-M55, Japonic languages, Classification of the Japonic languages and many more - the overlap is pretty obvious and clear, and it's not surprising since the IP sock is editing the same type of topics favored by Kumasojin/WorldCreationFighter - articles related to Japan, the Ryukyu Islands, Jomon, Korea, and fringe genetics. This socks's dislike of the Altaic theory, especially when linked to Japanese, is also reflected by this IP editor here[151], while a previous sock also edited the same article to support this fringe theory here trying to link Japanese elsewhere[152]. Fraenir (talk) 06:28, 17 May 2018 (UTC) Fraenir (talk) 06:28, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This section is for 86.56.207.16. This IP was already caught once in the past for being a confirmed sock, and it's back again making the same type of edits as the previous sockmaster; this sock returned the day that the previous ban was lifted. I suggest a longer ban for this IP since this sock is so persistent. Gratuitously assigning modern concepts of race/nationality to the past here [153]; makes pretty much the same edit with the same source here[154], such as this edit by a previous confirmed sock [155] and sock IP [156]Fraenir (talk) 12:04, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

  • The 193 IP was inactive for a few weeks following the creation of this request, so although I reverted some edits by the IP, I did not bother to block it. However, it has returned to editing in the same pattern over the past few days, so further action may be warranted. Dekimasuよ! 01:12, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • NinjaRobotPirate has blocked 86.56.207.16 for 6 months. Dekimasu has blocked 193.171.130.114 for 1 week. In view of the amount of time over which this IP address has been involved in this matter, I would have blocked for longer, but we'll see how it goes. I don't see that there's anything else to be done, so I'm closing this investigation. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 13:45, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have reblocked the IP for 3 months because similar behavior resumed after expiration of the shorter block. Dekimasuよ! 07:43, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

18 September 2018

Suspected sockpuppets


Same interest in fringe linguistics and falsification of sources to justify ethno-nationalist POV editing. This variation is mostly editing around Korean topics; edits the same topics as various sockpuppets of WorldCreationFighter, and also goes back to Vovin to justify his questionable linguistic claims.

1.This edit was made by an acknowledged/now banned IP sock[157] in the Khitan language article, which is pretty much repeated by DDdcg here[158] in the Goguryeo language article. Uses the exact same Vovin source with similar formatting and phrasing, to justify his fringe claims linking Goguryeo/Korean to Khitan.
2.This disingenious edit with misleading edit summary (the user was actually restoring previous sockpuppet editing) on Paleosiberian language [159] is also very similar to a sockpuppet edit here [160] by a previous sockpuppet of this user, with the exact same source (Vovin again). Fraenir (talk) 12:40, 18 September 2018 (UTC) Fraenir (talk) 12:40, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Yes, this does look like him, especially when running the EIU.  Blocked and tagged. GABgab 15:00, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

26 October 2018

Suspected sockpuppets

See below. Bbb23 (talk) 19:24, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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04 December 2018

Suspected sockpuppets


User AmurTiger18 (a confirmed sock of WorldCreaterFighter insisted on removing a sourced section in the article Cantonese [161], [162]. After this user is blocked, user Moalli continues to carry on exactly the same behavior [163], [164], [165], [166], [167], [168] (talk page). 126.124.157.198 (talk) 04:40, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Content moved from talk page. I take no opinion on the report. Sakura CarteletTalk 04:51, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

  • The edit war is unfortunate, but I'm not sure this really fits the profile. Dekimasuよ! 06:17, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • This looks unrelated; closing. GABgab 17:34, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

09 December 2018

Suspected sockpuppets


After AmurTiger18 (contribution [169], [170], [171]) and HainanTai (contribution [172], [173], [174]), two recent sockpuppets of User WorldCreaterFighter, got blocked a while ago, Erminwin suddenly appeared and made exactly the same edits and in yhe same articles as User AmurTiger18 and HainanTai, [175], [176], [177], [178]). 119.204.41.231 (talk) 17:17, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  • This appears to be a student editor, not WCF. Closing. GABgab 17:50, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

23 May 2019

Suspected sockpuppets

  • 193.171.130.114 has previously been blocked as an IP sock of WorldCreaterFighter,[179][180] but that block has recently expired and the IP has resumed editing topics of interest of WorldCreaterFighter.
  • Alexkyoung is a newly created user who has made a large amount of edits to articles frequented by WorldCreaterFighter:
  • 77.100.234.159 is a previously blocked IP sock of WorldCreaterFighter[218] which has resumed editing WorldCreaterFighter-topics after the block expired.
  • 80.243.173.100 is a previously blocked IP sock of WorldCreaterFighter[219] which has resumed editing WorldCreaterFighter-topics after the block expired. Krakkos (talk) 18:14, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The accusation to Alexkyoung is wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dealing_with_sock_puppets#What_is_a_sock_puppet?

I had to read the above article to learn what a 'sockpuppet' is. Not only is the accusation wrong, but it is uncivil. I do not even know 'WorldCreaterFighter'. I am the only user using this account, and I am not aware of any hackers. If the moderators can tell me if my account has been hacked, that would be good for me to know.

The above articles are merely a fraction of my wikipedia contributions. And some of those articles are edited by hundreds of other users, so to single me out among the crowd is discrimination. I have freedom to edit articles of my choice, especially the ones that you deem more 'obscure' because those are precisely the kinds of wikipedia articles that we need more information on to share with the rest of the world. Some of those 'Asian scientists' are actually American by nationality. Michael Hardy and David Eppstein are two other users who also make a lot of edits on articles that I contribute to. Correlation does not imply causation.

I request the accuser Krakkos to apologize for their McCarthy-like accusations and conspiracy theories, especially if they know what is best for them and the greater wikipedia community. I trust the wikipedia moderators to confirm my claims and drop this allegation.

--Alexkyoung

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16 August 2019

Suspected sockpuppets


See below.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 02:38, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Reverting his own socks.  Confirmed,  Blocked and tagged.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 02:39, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

21 August 2019

Suspected sockpuppets


Doug Weller talk 19:18, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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 Confirmed  Blocked and tagged--Doug Weller talk 19:18, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Doug Weller: Should be Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/WorldCreaterFighter (not creator). ST47 (talk) 19:31, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, yes. I'm not sure how to fix this without deleting something. Doug Weller talk 20:28, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've done a histmerge. Ready for archiving. ST47 (talk) 20:37, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

08 September 2019

Suspected sockpuppets

Please see this guy's edits to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkmens&action=history

His user activity closely mirrors Manasam98 who was banned as a sockpuppet of AsadalEditor/WorldCreatorFighter Hunan201p (talk) 20:54, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence that I'm not a sock-puppet of AsadalEditor( Manasam98, Gyatso1), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:J%C5%8Dmon_people
I'm the one who asked for AsadalEditor sockpuppet to get banned and made a thread to expose his sockpuppet and the moderator did it. This user Hunan201 deliberate removes every reference and data that mentions East Asian/East Eurasian Y-DNA or anthropologically. He did the same with Turkmen, Hazara, Cumans, Eurasian (mixed ancestry), Haplogroup Q-M25, Y-DNA haplogroups in populations of Central and North Asia even though they are well source. Even on Turkmen he deliberate goes as far to avoid mentioning the Y-DNA of Turkmen in Iran, Afghanistan because it doesn't suit his agenda ‎DerekHistorian (talk) 10:20, 9 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]


DerekHistorian is AsadalEditor. He obsessively monitors articles related to the Jomon/Japanese and Central Asian genetics, with a malicious tendency to defend incorrect statements about central Asian genetics, by attempting to make them seem more East Eurasian on their paternal line than they actually are. He also does things like taddling on himself to evade bans, and he is also the author of this blog, in which he tries to muddle his responsibility for his own contributions by criticizing himself, spreading confusion:

DerekHistorian restores the same content as Manasam98 (AsadalEditor):

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkmens&diff=prev&oldid=912271844


https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkmens&diff=prev&oldid=914448115

Hunan201p (talk) 23:47, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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At second thought: Hunan201p's addition was good; I've reinserted it. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 19:27, 9 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

@Hunan201p: Please provide evidence in the form of diffs.  Clerk assistance requested: Please move this report to the correct case.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:19, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

24 September 2019

Suspected sockpuppets


See below.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 21:45, 24 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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 Confirmed,  Blocked and tagged.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 21:46, 24 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

05 October 2019

Suspected sockpuppets


See below.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 23:14, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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 Confirmed

 Blocked and tagged.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 23:14, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

11 January 2020

Suspected sockpuppets


See below.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 12:41, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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 Confirmed

 Blocked and tagged
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 13:03, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

12 January 2020

Suspected sockpuppets

Benji887 started editing today in Jōmon people and added content that looks very similar to recent edits by User:MomotaniYY, blocked sock of User:WorldCreaterFighter, in Ainu people.

MomotaniYY: "Seguchi et al. 2014 presented archeologic, anthropologic and genetic evidence that the ancestors of the Ainu descended from a paleolithic population in Southern Siberia."[220] (above Line 137)
Benji887: "In 2015, Japanese geneticist proposed that the proto-Jōmon originated from a paleolithic population located in Southern Siberia."[221]

–Austronesier (talk) 13:00, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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 Confirmed. I saw him in my watchlist before I saw this report and have just finished blocking him. He is now using proxies to try to hide his location.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 13:47, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Nothing more to do. Closing. Cabayi (talk) 13:53, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

20 February 2020

Suspected sockpuppets

Ape-huchi has seemingly identical interests to the master sock, WorldCreatorFighter, specifically the obsessive interest in the Jomon-Ainu people (and the austronesian origin theory of the Jomon), and also Turkic origin theories.

WorldCreatorFighter's long term abuse case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse/WorldCreaterFighter

Ape-Huchi:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ape-huchi

Examples of WorldCreatorFighter alts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/MomotaniYY

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Benji887 Hunan201p (talk) 20:53, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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 Clerk assistance requested: Please merge to the correct case (the filer misspelled the master's username).--Bbb23 (talk) 23:41, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Clerk note: Case moved from WorldCreatorFighter to WorldCreaterFighter — JJMC89 (T·C) 05:50, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Confirmed,  Blocked and tagged.
     — Berean Hunter (talk) 03:57, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

13 March 2020

Suspected sockpuppets


Vaultralph recently restored, without explanation, primary genetics research papers on the Chuvash ethnic group. This is a subject WorldCreaterFighter has been known to quarrel over.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chuvash_people&action=history

Vaultralph had previously edited the same section of the Selkup article as AsadalEditor:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Selkup_people&diff=888343487&oldid=876086847

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Selkup_people&diff=prev&oldid=863633755 Hunan201p (talk) 19:26, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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See also the multiple cases where the people I filed investigations for turned out to be prolific sockmasters. Kleuske shows strong tendencies to WP:HOUND. I have never accused him of being a sockpuppet. He has (despite having ample warning in that page's edit history) reverted the work of a confirmed sockmaster on at least one occasion. - Hunan201p (talk) 22:44, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

Insufficient evidence. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:27, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

15 March 2020

Suspected sockpuppets

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/86.107.104.6

I am 98% sure this is a WorldCreaterFighter alt. Same broken English. He/she/they makes edits removing large portions of material related to Turks, and also focuses heavily on Dravidian languages and numerically small North Asian ethnic groups like Nivkhs. He/sbe/they has also edited articles related to Tamils; WorldCreaterFighter had even created an account with the name "Tamil" in it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse/WorldCreaterFighter

Furthermore, attempts to completely remove entire well-sourced paragraphs indicative of positive relations/collaborations between Turkey and Korea or Japan despite neutral POV, also known to have added detailed explanations of insults and slurs describing Turks or Mongols

Exact motives and nature of biases unclear and enigmatic Strong opinions in China-related edits led some in sockpuppet investigation to initially speculate Chinese nationalism

Common thread of edits aiming to distance the Korean and Japanese languages and peoples away from certain groups that could allow for Altaic interpretations Sockpuppet userpage evidence of strong bias in favor of Austronesian/Dravidian-based theory for genetic and linguistic origin in ancient Japan and Korea, also noted in investigation Known for holding numerous strong opinions on very particular aspects of all kinds of East and Central Asian linguistic, genetic, and historic associations, all of which tend to favor a pro-Southeast Asian/Austronesian alignment such as for the origins of the Jomon and Ainu peoples"


Another example:

IP user 86.107.104.6 makes edit regarding Ainu and Nivkh genetic relations:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nivkh_people&diff=prev&oldid=943917498

AsadalEditor (WorldCreaterFighter sockpuppet) makes edit removing information about maternal genetic link between Nivkhs and Ainu:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ainu_people&diff=prev&oldid=905973332

AsadalEditor heavily edited the Genetic History of East Asians article:

https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/usersearch.py?name=AsadalEditor&page=Genetic_history_of_East_Asians&server=enwiki&max=


86.107.104.6 edits portion of the article AsadalEditor obsessed over and potentially created:


https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genetic_history_of_East_Asians&diff=prev&oldid=945604249 


Hunan201p (talk) 01:37, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Blocked IP as a proxy. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:28, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

19 March 2020

Suspected sockpuppets


At the talk page and article Descent from Genghis Khan, DerekHistorian made a flurry of obsessive posts about a study by Lkagvasuren (2016) (these accounts are two of his many socks):

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Descent_from_Genghis_Khan&diff=939594191&oldid=939448141

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Descent_from_Genghis_Khan&diff=939446548&oldid=939445730

Now a new guy, TelephoneBaby", has burst on to the scene, using the same exact arguments and typing style as him:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Genghis_Khan&diff=prev&oldid=946318819


Note the obsession with "haplogroup R1b" even when it wasn't relative to content in tbe article (which makes no mention of haplogroups).

@ST47: pinging younl since you are familiar with this guy and can corrobortate those IPs as associated with DerekHistorian. Hunan201p (talk) 23:54, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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 Confirmed. Blocked the sock and tagged the master and sock. ST47, I'm puzzled by the recent history of this, specifically why TelephoneBaby wasn't blocked. I'd appreciate your comments, either here or privately, or just a comment here that you'd prefer not to comment, in which case this report can be closed. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:24, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot. Gailververgailqqq (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) is also confirmed, blocked, and tagged.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:56, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  •  On hold - Pending comment from ST47. GABgab 01:00, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bbb23: In the first couple of checks, there wasn't anything visible. TelephoneBaby's account wasn't created until after my check on February 6th, and I don't believe I've checked the relevant ranges since then. ST47 (talk) 02:22, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

27 March 2020

Suspected sockpuppets

Per WP:DUCK. The usual conflation and misquotation of genetic and linguistic sources to push their POV. Currently highly active with various IPs in Dravidian languages, Brahui people, which belong to the edit range of WorldCreaterFighter. Austronesier (talk) 12:51, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Appears to be hopping across IPs:

– Uanfala (talk) 12:57, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

  • Closing as stale — JJMC89 (T·C) 05:33, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

29 March 2020

Suspected sockpuppets

This user, Otto"KHAN", showed up out of nowhere and started removing contributions I had made. His interests are identical to DerekHistotian's and that if one of his recent alt, TelephoneBaby.

OttoKhan makes an edit about Mongols and Hmong people being blond haired:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Human_hair_color&diff=prev&oldid=945835102

Earlier, one of DerekHistorian's confirmed sockpuppets, TelephoneBaby, made a huge edit to the Genghis Khan article mentioning blond/red hair among Mongols. This is an example quote since it is a huge edit:


https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genghis_Khan&diff=prev&oldid=946319740

"The Olot people, a Mongol-Oirat subgroup were reported as being fair skinned with blue eyes and light hair.

The Tuvans, a Turkic or Mongol-Turkic ethnic group were reported to have blonde hair or red hair"

This user also has a fascination with Mongol and Turk genetics like TelephoneBaby/DerekHistorian did.


EDIT: Additionally, OttoKhan made an edit to the heterochromia iridum page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heterochromia_iridum&diff=945835381&oldid=945785823


The DerekHistorian sock, TelephoneBaby, previously made an edit to an article in close proximity to a description of an historical person (Alexander the Great) having heterochromia iridum:


https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alexander_the_Great&diff=prev&oldid=946159213

"His eyes (one blue, one brown)"

Hunan201p (talk) 08:54, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • OttoKhan is  Confirmed to WorldCreaterFighter (talk · contribs · count).  Blocked and tagged. I think Hunan201p was correct in the first instance when he believed that DerekHistorian was a sock of WCF. The behavioral evidence is solid, and the technical dissimilarities are minor. Therefore, please merge this case into the WCF case and retag DH and socks as WCF.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:26, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Clerk note: Case merged from DerekHistorian to WorldCreaterFighter — JJMC89 (T·C) 05:35, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

04 April 2020

Suspected sockpuppets

IP user shows up out of the blue to mention the frequency of haplogroup Q in Turkmen, seems to be tendentious about Turkmen mtDNA origins:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkmens&diff=948332424&oldid=947772820

One example of DerekHistorian's past edit warring obsessing over haplogroup Q in the article, promoting Y-DNA theories using the same fringe sources on minority Turkmen populations:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkmens&diff=936701217&oldid=935379581 Hunan201p (talk) 12:10, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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This case is being reviewed by JJMC89 as part of the clerk training process. Please allow him to process the entire case without interference, and pose any questions or concerns either on his talk page or on this page if more appropriate.
  •  Clerk declined CU will not be used to connect IPs to users. The IP edit is stale. — JJMC89 (T·C) 21:11, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

04 April 2020

Suspected sockpuppets

I propose that WernerGerman/WarriorsPride6565 and WorldCreaterFighter are one and the same, based on their identical interests and viewpoints, writing style, etc.

If they are linked, this would stretch WorldCreaterFighter's presence on Wikipedia back to 2009, which is four years eariler than the WorldCreaterFighter account. That would make him perhaps the longest enduring sockmaster on this website, with a history going back over 10 years.

The following is the Wernergerman sockpuppet investigations page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Wernergerman/Archive

WernerGerman's full contributions page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Wernergerman&offset=&limit=500&target=Wernergerman

WarriorPride6565's contributions page (note the edits to Ainu and interracial marriage, similar to WorldCreaterFighter):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/WarriorsPride6565

As we can see, in the days leading up to Wernergerman's ban, Wernergerman's primary focus was on the physical appearance of Genghis Khan. That was also the case for his banned sockpuppet, Germanican.

This mirrors the activity of WorldCreaterFighter's sockpuppets, DerekHistorian and TelephoneBaby.

Wernergerman, like WorldCreaterFighter, has always tried to suppress a piece of historical information from Rashid al-Din, that Genghis Khan was red haired, blue eyed, tall, and also wore a beard, because he does not want people thinking that Genghis Khan looked European, as some authors (such as Lkhagvasuren) have suggested.

Another account, WarriorsPride6565, shared similar opinions on the same page as WernerGerman, and identical viewpoints that would be expressed by TelephoneBaby, 9 years later.


Wernergerman comments from 2011:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Genghis_Khan&oldid=458532927

"So what's the utmost credible source that was selected by the lovely wikipedia editor who inserted this rather insane statement about a caucasoid genghis khan ? Here it is , it's a historian by the name of Rashid Aldin - an ethnically Jewish historian with Jewish training in writing who frequenlty had the habit of employing a partly epic storytelling fashion (a fashion meant to captivate the reader at the cost of portraying truth accurately) ."

WarriorsPride6565 quote from 2011:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Genghis_Khan&oldid=458532927

"Yes clearly it's insane and bias, since all the mongolians with light hair and eyes with varieties of colors all look completely asiatic. How come the wikipedia editor doesn't have the guts to mention this? instead of misleading everyone like he was an caucasian man. Here check out the mongols with 100% asiatic/mongoloid face with red hair,blue eyes, green eyes,blonde hair...whatever you want. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woCN8lVJSNY"


TelephoneBaby examples:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Genghis_Khan&diff=prev&oldid=946318819

"The biggest problem with Rashid-al Din is that he was born in 1249 (and Gazan Khan was born in 1271) that mean he never existed during Genghis Khan lifetime. If Genghis Khan really did have red hair why wasn't this recorded in the The Secret History of the Mongols or by any other Mongolian emperors?"

"While there is no evidence that can prove the accounts of Rashid Al Din of Genghis Khan were correct. The existence of Mongols with fair skin, light eyes and hair have long been reported, a occasional number of Mongols, especially among the minority groups from Mongolia have been either recorded or reported display light coloured physical traits.

The Olot people, a Mongol-Oirat subgroup were reported as being fair skinned with blue eyes and light hair. [6] The Tuvans, a Turkic or Mongol-Turkic ethnic group were reported to have blonde hair or red hair [7]. While most Tuvans have black hair, some also have chestnut brown hair[8] but ocassionally showing blue-green eyes with blonde and freckles.[9]"

Unsigned comment attributed to DerekHistorian at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Descent_from_Genghis_Khan#Edit_dispute_between_DerekHistorian_and_Hunan201p

" [...] "In Mongolian chronicles it always recorded some Mongolians have blonde hair, blue eyes, red hair, green eyes and all of these people still exist today and they all look 100% Mongoloid." [...] "Or would you rather believe controversial Persian historian Rashid-al-Din who was born in Born: 1247, Hamedan, Iran who never had the chance to see Genghis Khan face, in fact Genghis Khan already died 20 years after Rashid Al Din" Hunan201p (talk) 14:31, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Closing. Not interested in handing accolades to socks who haven't edited in 8 years, or in spending time investigating ancient socks which will do nothing to prevent misconduct in the present day. Cabayi (talk) 08:00, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

12 April 2020

Suspected sockpuppets

I'm seeking a behavioral investigation in to 38.121.43.208, who I suspect is WorldCreaterFighter.


This individual first caught my attention when I saw that he had recently made several statements about me on the talk pages of various users in relation to recent edits about Genghis Khan's hair color:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Joshua_Jonathan&diff=prev&oldid=949966164

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Wario-Man&diff=prev&oldid=949966555


https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EvergreenFir&diff=prev&oldid=949967150

^ He made more talk page posts identical to these, but I won't be exhaustive since I know the patrolling admins here are carrying a huge burden right now, with the seemingly endless incoming reports about sockpuppets around here.

The sockmaster WorldCreaterFighter has demonstrated a longstanding obsession with Genghis Khan's hair color, as evidenced in these edits by his confirmed alts:

Diff of edit made by TelephoneBaby, WorldcreaterFighter sock:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Genghis_Khan&diff=946318819&oldid=946119800

Example quote: "The only thing that supports Rashid-al Din account is some Mongols (event today ) do in fact have red hair, green eyes. That portrait of Ogedei Khan also seems to have blue-gray eyes with brown-reddish hair."

Unsigned quote by DerekHistorian on talk page discussion. DerekHistorian is a confirmed WorldCreaterFighter sock:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Descent_from_Genghis_Khan#Edit_dispute_between_DerekHistorian_and_Hunan201p

Quote: "It's not even implying anthropological facial features like some Caucasoid facial features. In Mongolian chronicles it always recorded some Mongolians have blonde hair, blue eyes, red hair, green eyes and all of these people still exist today and they all look 100% Mongoloid."

Okay so now that we can see that both WorldCreaterFighter and this IP user have identical opinions on Genghis Khan and the Mongolian people, let's look at 38.121.43.208's contributions page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/38.121.43.208

All of his edits prior to April 2020 are related to Austroasiatic or Koreanic people/languages, just as WorldCreaterFighter's long-term abuse page says he is obsessed with:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse/WorldCreaterFighter

Quote: "Common thread of edits aiming to distance the Korean and Japanese languages and peoples away from certain groups that could allow for Altaic interpretations

Sockpuppet userpage evidence of strong bias in favor of Austronesian/Dravidian-based theory for genetic and linguistic origin in ancient Japan and Korea, also noted in investigation

Known for holding numerous strong opinions on very particular aspects of all kinds of East and Central Asian linguistic, genetic, and historic associations, all of which tend to favor a pro-Southeast Asian/Austronesian alignment such as for the origins of the Jomon and Ainu peoples"

That's all I've got to say. I believe the behavioral evidence is clear that this IP user is a sock of WorldCreaterFighter. Many thanks to the admins here who continue to sift through diffs to keep people from abusing and asssiling this website. - Hunan201p (talk) 02:15, 12 April 2020 (UTC) Hunan201p (talk) 02:15, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Edit: Adding this user: 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/38.121.43.227


...For nearly identical edits included relating to human skin pigmentation genes and Romani-related articles. Also similar IPs. - Hunan201p (talk) 16:44, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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18 April 2020

Suspected sockpuppets

I propose that Shinoshijak is WorldCreaterFighter, or connected to him, based on three commonalities:

  • 1.) Obsessive edits concerning the hair color/ancestry of Turks and Mongols, often following edits that I make on the subject
  • 2.) Insistence that the Hmong and Miao people of southeast Asia have/had blond hair/blue eyes
  • 3.) Both have suggested the possibility that Jesus Christ could have been blond haired

I'll start with the blond Jesus evidence:

March 19th

TelephoneBaby, a confirmed sockpuppet of of WorldCreaterFighter, creates a section in a talk page where he suggests that Jesus could have been blond:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Race_and_appearance_of_Jesus#I_see_no_reference_of_Jesus_being_described_as_blonde

Quite from diff (note space behind question mark, a characteristic trait of his)

"What about the description of Jesus having blue eyes and golden hair ? Why isn't this included. He could have been blonde and blue eyes but not necessarily European type but the Jewish type."

April 13

Shinoshijak suggests that Jesus Christ was blond haired at talk:blond. I quote him below. Note the spaces before the question marks, which I bolded:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Blond&diff=prev&oldid=950762509

"The historical evidence for Jesus of Nazareth is both long-established and widespread. There is cultural perception of Jesus being blond haired all of the world, but there is no definitive physical or archaeological evidence, and we also don't see him being mentioned iny any of the Europe or Asia section. So why is Hunan201 trying to make both Huangdi and Bodonchar Munkhag as real life figures, and trying to make it seem like that both of them confirmed blond haired figures ?"

The "blond Hmong" edits:

January 29

216.30.25.20, an IP address associated with DerekHistorian by ST47, made the following statement:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Descent_from_Genghis_Khan&diff=938208922&oldid=938051619

"Wether it's due to genetic mutation, recessive genes, caucasoid admixture the point is every light eyes, light hair Mongolians look Mongoloid or predominant Mongoloid. Nobody looks Caucasoid. Hmong have 0% Caucasoid admixture have these same light eyes traits"

April 12

Shinoshijak adds falsified references to blond, along with statements that the Hmong people of China were blond haired and blue eyed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Blond&diff=prev&oldid=950563590

I later demonstrated these references had their publishing info falsified:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Blond#Misrepresentation_of_references_by_Shinoshijak Hunan201p (talk) 12:10, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]


EDIT: Added Queenplz for reasons discussed below. - Hunan201p (talk) 15:27, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]


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Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims. I'm definately not a sockpuppet account so please do check. Hunan201p was breaking wikipedia rules and I caught him breaking it, but he than reported me by cherrypicking few superficial similarity to get me banned. Hunan201p is known for accusing many different wikipedia users for not sharing his views. The links Hunan201p provided shows those acocunts talk about Jesus being blonde yet I'm saying there's no evidence he was blonde except in cultural perceptions. As for Hmong, I never said they have 0% Caucasoid admixture. They didn't mention Miao like I did. It's no surprise he reported Quishufang, Huxia, Queenplz and respectable editor Tobby72, with no evidence any of them being sock.

He is blantanty vandalizing and committing numerous acts of NPOV(Neutral point of view), WEASEL (Manual of Style/Words to watch), FRINGE THEORIES (prevailing from mainstream views). He also keeps adding every historical ethnic groups on the Asia blond section to make it seem like everyone of them were Caucasoid despite none of the ethnic groups corresponds with modern day ethnic groups and historical figures. He does not provide any anthropology and genetic evidence on all the ethnic groups he has edited but strangely enough he would remove works of experienced editors with reputation such as Tobby72 and Krakkos with genetic and anthropology evidence. He also argues with many respected editors he doesn't agree with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hunan201p , you can see has a history of disrupting and mis-using wikipedia rules, removing everything that he doesn't like.

He avoided talking on the talk page right I CAUGHT him removing the edits of Evergreen which had removed his edit of Bodonchar Munkhag having blonde hair. He than decided to report me because of this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Blond#Hunan201%27s_vandalism_and_mileading_edits_on_this_page -Shinoshijak (talk) , 18 April 2020

Notice the phrase Shinoshijak used, "please do check". That same exact phrase was used by another account, Queenplz, who I linked to WorldCreaterFighter in the Qiushufang investigation below. Queenplz was also involved in an edit war over Genghis Khan's hair color:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=950263958
Queenplz quote:
"PLEASE DO CHECK. I'm completely new to wikipedia, I not a sockuppet or whatever."
This is the investigation where I linked Queenplz to WorldCreaterFighter:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Qiushufang#11_April_2020
If Queenplz and Shinoshijak are so unafraid of being checked it should be noted by the admins. Could explain something. - Hunan201p (talk) 15:08, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to have Queenplz checked against Shinoshijak. - Hunan201p (talk) 15:11, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Noticed you didn't mention all her edits are mobile ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Queenplz

This is how your list of contribution from 11th of April had looked like. Half of it's about you accusing Qiushufang and Queenplz ( I read everything about all your months of sad and unfair accusations. I have very good knowledge of you, so you can forget about trying those same accusation tricks.)[222]

however if it makes you feel better in some way, by all means go ahead and have my account checked

best of luck

regards. Shinoshijak (talk) , 18 April 2020

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  • While both of the accounts are very obviously not new users, they are Red X Unrelated to each other and to this case, and  Inconclusive otherwise. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:54, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

14 May 2020

Suspected sockpuppets


Ruuchuu restored[223] same edit of the blocked IP of this sockmaster[224] which was blocked by Berean Hunter. Wareon (talk) 05:59, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Sock is CU blocked by Berean Hunter — JJMC89 (T·C) 20:25, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

21 May 2020

Suspected sockpuppets

Edits on Turkmens and Blond. Also knows very much about wikipedia. After "returning" to Wikipedia, the first thing he do is restoring an old edit on Turkmens. See a sock of WorldCreaterFighter's edit always the same. Plus Asian related edits. Beshogur (talk) 15:41, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Checkuser is necessary because I think the sockmaster may have a sockfarm; e.g. another user with similar edits and targeted articles. --Wario-Man (talk) 05:01, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also Shinoshijak's and Queenplz's edits are very similar. Even if they're not related with WorldCreaterFighter, there's a possibility that all these accounts are ruled by one person. Beshogur (talk) 15:34, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Was it not necessary to inform me? After all I was the one that suggested in the Beshogur talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Beshogur to open a sockpuppet investigation.

Accusing someone of being sock is a serious accusation, but he did that on the [225] 08:44, 20 May 2020 which says: Undid revision 957712427 by Kezo2005 (talk) sock and also against Queenplz in 20:43, 15 April 2020‎ Undid revision 951151524 by Queenplz (talk) sock.

I also asked him to leave a discussion on talkpage [226]. That WorldCreaterFighter does not have a history of editing women in Islam, Afrikaners, Asian people, blond, red hair, and yellow emperor. Seems more related to Mongols, Chinese languages, Turks, Wars ect. I don't know what evidence he is basing that "I'm WorldCreaterFighter." I can only guess that he previously did edits on the Turkmen page and added genetics similar to mine and other editors, but that doesn't mean he owns the genetic material with multiple sourced references.

I'm also aware that in the revision history, Beshogur had helped account user Hunan201p (currently banned for 3 months, reason for disrupt editing and accusing many of being socks such as WorldCreaterFighter)[227]. Beshogur had also helped Hunan201p do the same thing.

I see nothing wrong by having a addition of genetics on Turkmen but for some reason Hunan201p and Beshogur seems reluctant.

To not allow genetics on Turkmen seems really suspicious, especially since this relates to Hunan201p, and Beshogur doing the exact same thing. You say Queenplz and Shinoshijak edits are similar? According to the now currently blocked Hunan201p who opened 3 sockpuppet investigations, check user unrelated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hunan201p#Block_and_unblock

As one being accused I'm also curious to know from my accusers, why are Beshogur and Hunan201p edits so similar? Both like accusing accounts as socks, both also remove haplogroup genetics on Turkmen page, both also like to accuse others of being WorldCreaterFighter, both are always editing info about Turkic people. I could be wrong, but it would seem (Purely speculation on my part) that they may be socks of each other; or do they just happen to have a common enemy?

NOTE:(So after over a decade inactive with Wikipedia, I decided that there are too many instances of racial/ethnocentric bias on this platform; as don't like seeing racially motivated edits here I plan to take a more active role, as we all must be vigilant especially since there has been an increased presence of racial/ethnocentric influences online!) Kezo2005 (talk) 16:54, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Kezo2005 is Red X Unrelated to WCF. Closing.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 15:34, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

26 December 2020

Suspected sockpuppets

LightFromABrightStar is currently blocked as as an independent sockmaster. Sockpuppets of LightFromABrightStar were engaged both in edit warring and collaborative editing with WorldCreaterFighter:

Given the similar types of behavior and interests, it seems probable to me that LightFromABrightStar is a sockpuppet of WorldCreaterFighter, and that the LightFromABrightStar case should me merged into this one. Krakkos (talk) 11:28, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

81.10.217.91 has since early 2020 been making complex edits at topics frequented by WorldCreaterFighter. The IP clearly belongs to an experienced Wikipedian. WorldCreaterFighter has frequently been editing from Austrian IPs. Similarities between 81.10.217.91 and WorldCreaterFighter are displayed at numerous articles:

The Commons user Anusic99 is a newly created sock which clearly belongs to the user who edits from 81.10.217.91.[261][262] A check for sleepers might be able to detect additional socks. Krakkos (talk) 12:38, 26 December 2020 (UTC) Krakkos (talk) 12:38, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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23 November 2021

Suspected sockpuppets

2001:4BC9:911:EE16:7145:5476:354C:9D9A sticks to RobertoY20's contributions in Genetic history of East Asians. 4BC9:911:EE16:7145:5476:354C:9D9A's diff1, 4BC9:911:EE16:7145:5476:354C:9D9A's diff2, RobertoY20's diff etc. These IPv6 IPs are adept at editing, despite having no previous contributions. And the three IPv6 IPs look very similar and are all Austrian IPs. Most of the Confirmed and suspected IP socks of World Create Fighter were Austrian IPs. RobertoY20 has the same editorial form as WorldCreaterFighter's habitual behaviors. RobertoY20 and WorldCreaterFighter believe that East Asians originated only in Southeast Asia, and tend to favor a pro-Southeast Asian/Austronesian alignment such as for the origins of the Jōmon and Ainu peoples. diff1, diff2, diff3, diff4, diff5, diff6, diff7, diff8, diff9, diff10, diff11, diff12, diff13, etc. Meanwhile, 46.125.250.27, 46.125.250.29, 213.162.73.85, 213.162.73.217, 213.142.97.112, these very similar Austrian IPs have recently contributed to Genetic history of East Asians and Jōmon people. 46.125.250.27's diff, 46.125.250.29's diff, 213.142.97.112's diff etc. these IPs are very similar to World Creator Fighter's IPs. SsSsSs0909 (talk) 15:46, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Additional evidence: 2001:4bc9:924:6356:e52b:2951:ff6b:600c, a new Austrian IP to repeat the same argument appeared on the article's talk page. diff--SsSsSs0909 (talk) 09:30, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Not sure if I should make a comment here, but something does seem really off about the filer in question. The filer was created about 2 weeks ago (November 10th, to be accurate), and this is suspicious behavior. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 11:33, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@DarkMatterMan4500: Although not written in this report, I already reported copyright violation files (even arbitrarily distorted) uploaded by HunanZH, who turned out to be WorldCreaterFighter's sock account on Wikimedia. And the IPs used in Wikipedia for the HunanZH's files were all Austrian IPs. diff1, diff2, diff3, diff4 etc.--SsSsSs0909 (talk) 14:15, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I guess? DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 14:26, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I signed up to report obvious copyright violations.--SsSsSs0909 (talk) 14:30, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Correction: Sorry. It was a few weeks ago, so my memories are mixed. I check the log and summarize it, it is as follows. 1. I found a distorted file in the Japanese people article.[263][264] 2. The uploader was HunanZH.[265] 3. I recognized that HunanZH was blocked because it was the LTA's sock.[266][267] 4. I read the LTA's project page.[268] I went through the page linked in steps 1 to 4 and reported some copyright violation files, but I was mistaken for reporting HunanZH's files. After reading the project page, I suspected that Baikal13 and Mev Shreb were also the LTA's socks, so I arbitrarily judged them as the same person.[269][270] If in doubt, take a good look at my contributions history.--SsSsSs0909 (talk) 03:17, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's easy to understand if you look at Japanese people's revision history of November 10, 2021.[271]--SsSsSs0909 (talk) 05:21, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Also see 213.162.68.237 involved in the distorted file.[272][273][274] This is the typical Austrian IP of the LTA.--SsSsSs0909 (talk) 05:50, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I respond as an accused user here: The user which created this report is currently in an edit dispute with me (I obviously use an IP address which changes after reconnecting with the internet (mobile phone)). The user made unconstructive changes by removing large parts of content and replacing it with hypotheses raised in an 2011 paper. I already explained that this is a violation of WP:Weight and WP:OR, but the user was not interested in my arguments, so I started a discussion with quoting inline citations. Than we had some exchanges, but the user does not seem to understand the problem of his edits and so on, so he started to make claims that I use socks, while I am simply editing with my IP. I suggest everyone to read this discussion here to get a better overview. I already requested third user opinion and I also explained the user his misinterpretations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Genetic_history_of_East_Asians#Southern/Northern_route_models_recent_unconstructive_edits

I hope this dispute can be settled.2001:4BC9:900:48C9:AD0A:75E7:4138:B9AA (talk) 11:07, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And btw, were do I edit or support anything about Austronesians or Jomon? The dispute here is about if ancestors of East Asians used a northern or southern route (see discussion linked above). I pointed that these kind of edits are unconstructive and have misleading edit summaries:[275][276]. (Replacing content with copy paste sentences of a 2011 study.) It is kind of suspicious that the accusing user knows more about this sock puppet thing than me, and I ask myself how a new user find all these things out of nowhere?2001:4BC9:900:48C9:AD0A:75E7:4138:B9AA (talk) 11:14, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  •  1.75x amplified ultimate quack of ultimate destiny I have so far chosen to ignore this new report, even if this is actually an obvious case, because the drama (bordering on troll fests) surrounding these SPIs is just as disruptive or even more disruptive than the actual edits made by the LTA. In the past year or so, I have chosen simply to quietly revert or cleanup their mess, or in few cases went to RPP. But now that I am even pinged[277], I have to throw in these 2 cents of mine. Being canvassed by an LTA is a bad experience. –Austronesier (talk) 11:27, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am informing you all, that I, the accused IP, created an account to respond and create a SPI against three users, one is SsSsSs0909. This account can be deactivated or blocked after wards, or I may instead rename it and stop editing with IP, but only logged in. Please see this report and the mentioned evidence regarding SsSsSs0909 :Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/VeryGoodBoy. I am 2001:4bc9:920:f3f4:1da:3ee3:8537:c81b.ToRespond (talk) 07:02, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I recommend checking the filer.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:52, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

21 December 2021

Suspected sockpuppets

Obvious WP:DUCK. The user page says "Hi I'm X from Korea" like many other socks before (e.g. AsadalEditor), and jumps straight into Negrito, a favorite page of WCF-socks.

Diffs with the recently blocked sock User:Lankaman20:

In both edits, they cite the same studies, and erroneously call a Paleolithic specimen from Wallacea (Leang Panninge on Sulawesi) "Negrito".

There's also a giveaway typo in their edit summaries, which I can specify to a clerk via email if needed. Austronesier (talk) 20:58, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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This case is being reviewed by Jack Frost as part of the clerk training process. Please allow him to process the entire case without interference, and pose any questions or concerns either on his talk page or on this page if more appropriate.

  • Looks like a duck, however  Clerk endorsed for confirmation and sleeper check given their prolific nature and that there doesn't look to have been one done for a month or so. --Jack Frost (talk) 04:40, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yep. That's them.  Confirmed. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 22:05, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Already blocked and tagged. Closing. Jack Frost (talk) 00:58, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

22 December 2021

Suspected sockpuppets


In light of the recent SPI case (opened 21 December 2021) I just want to make sure that Vamlos isn't a sock of WorldCreaterFighter.


Compare Vamlos's edits at Negrito with the banned WorldCreaterFighter sock, Lankaman20:

This editor shows a lot of interest in Russo-Japanese affairs, Chinese ethnography, Southeast Asians/Papuans, etc...

Also, I am apparently not alone in my suspicions. See a discussion at Austronesier's talk page:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Austronesier#Sockpuppet_case?


"Is Vamlos (User:Vamlos) identical to DerekHistorian (or WorldCreaterFighter) (User:DerekHistorian)? His edit style and topics are nearly identical. You have some knowledge about this user/users. What do you think?"


Hunan201p (talk) 19:12, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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26 December 2021

Suspected sockpuppets

Behavioral evidence already has been presented in an earlier SPI:

At that time, @RobertoY20 was stale, but they have made a dozen in the last few days, so their account should allow for a CheckUser now. Austronesier (talk) 19:51, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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27 December 2021

Suspected sockpuppets


This IP user shows up at a talk page discussion that RobertoY20 (WorldCreaterFighter) had been manipulating.

  • [282] RobertoY20, most recent WorldCreaterFighter alt
  • [283] (IP edits his own talk page sections shortly after ban)
  • [284] (IP complains to Erminwin, accuses me of being WCF.)

Hunan201p (talk) 15:04, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The IP hasn't edited in a few days. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:49, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

28 December 2021

Suspected sockpuppets

  • [285] (Turukkaean, a recently banned WorldCreaterFighter alt)

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The IP hasn't edited in a few days. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:49, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

22 February 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Refiling this (encouraged by Drmies), even though a recent CheckUser could not confirm @Vamlos as a sock of WorldCreaterFighter. I believe this mismatch is due to the fact that two LTAs were incorrectly merged into one in the past, and @Vamlos simply does not correspond to socks that are related to the infamous "Austrian IP" which has been pivotal in more recent CheckUser cases.

Behavioral evidence however clearly links @Vamlos to DerekHistorian (talk · contribs). Both @Vamlos and @DerekHistorian share a similar edit range, revolving around a) certain indigenous ethnic groups of East and Southeast Asia such as Ainu people or Orang Asli and b) "interracial" marital/sexual relations, often including coerced relations and prostitution.

  • "Interracial" marital/sexual relations (including coerced relations and prositution)

All these diffs also display a similar citation style: title, "by" author + bare URL with common geolocation.

This diff[292] by another old confirmed sock of WorldCreaterFighter combines both topic ranges (Ainu people + "interracial" marital/sexual relations) and the particular citation style.

Note that the "Austrian IP" (Satoshi Kondo (talk · contribs), AsadalEditor (talk · contribs) etc.) also edits pages about indigenous ethnic groups of East and Southeast Asia, but is not obsessed with "interracial" marital/sexual relations, but more actively tampers with content in pages about genetics and language families.

There clearly is a link between @DerekHistorian and the "Austrian IP"; they often meet up for drama (the wackiest example is probably this one) and probably extend a wider off-WP rivalry here to Wikipedia. But I am quite sure that these are two individuals which better should not be conflated in one SPI thread. Or at least, SPI clerks should be aware of these two different individuals behind the never-ending abusive editing and sockpuppetry. Austronesier (talk) 21:11, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ivanvector: Another one has flown into my radar[293] (with the topics Ainu people and forced inter-ethnic marriages) who I expect to be identical to Vamlos (= DerekHistorian and others). –Austronesier (talk) 21:15, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Vamlos and DerekHistorian are pretty obviously the same person; per evidence gleaned from the editor interaction analyzer (in particular try [294] [295], and compare [296] with [297]). Technically they are at least  Possible though DH is quite stale. Also:
Also  Confirmed:
The three groups are at least  Likely to each other, but  Behavioural evidence needs evaluation. The confirmed accounts have been blocked. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 22:41, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Austronesier: Vagrooti is Red X Unrelated, technically. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:26, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is kind of complicated, which probably explains why it's been sitting in the queue for 3 weeks. I applied the tags that seemed to make sense based on the discussion. Everybody's already blocked, so it doesn't seem worth the effort to dig much deeper. Closing. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:14, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

11 March 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Things ducks say:


[298] 81.10.217.91, proposed sockpuppet

[299] (46.125.250.15 is listed as a suspected sock at his LTA page)

[300] (46.125.250.90 is listed as a suspected sock at his LTA page)


[301] 81.10.217.91, proposed sockpuppet

[302] (46.125.250.46 is listed as a suspected sock at his LTA page)

[303] 81.10.217.91, proposed sockpuppet

[304] (46.125.250.32 is listed as a suspected sock at his LTA page). Note the proximity of these edits to the Namio Egami reference.

Round Two

[305] 2001:4BC9:923:66B0:B4D9:9293:9C85:6780, proposed sock

[306] (80.243.173.100 listed as a suspected sock at his LTA page).

Thank you for your time. -- Hunan201p (talk) 13:49, 11 March 2022 (UTC) Hunan201p (talk) 13:49, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Neither IP has edited in a while, closing. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:08, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

13 March 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

And here's another one, and quite a WP:DUCK.

Evidence:

a) The user assumes a randomly chosen ethnicity and announces their interest in (archaeo-)genetics, like many other socks before:

b) Like earlier socks, GanjDareh4 makes use of blockquotes to lend their pet POVs extra visual weight:

c) And finally, a tell-tale spelling error in the edit summary:

The range of articles which they have edited so far does not show much overlap with earlier socks (AFAICS), but the topic of their edits (most of it genetics, focusing on "East Asian" geneflow; linguistic classification) falls well within the range of earlier confirmed socks. – Austronesier (talk) 10:26, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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21 March 2022

Suspected sockpuppets


  • Whhu22's edits are mostly concerned with reverting, and then restoring, edits by WCF. Most of the WCF edits restored by Whhu22 are about Asian/Eurasian geneflow.[315][316][317][318] Adding content on Asian/Eurasian geneflow is typical of WCF.[319][320][321][322] Whhu22's edit summaries[323] are very similar to newly confirmed WCF sock GanjDareh4.[324] Whhu22 and GanjDareh4 were both created on 8 February.
  • Heiwajima20Ip was like Whhu22 and GanjDareh4 created in February. Like Whhu22, he went on an edit spree on 16 March 2022, the day after GanjDareh4 and other WCF socks had been uncovered. Heiwajima20Ip's main contributions are on "Eurasian geneflow" in Central Asia.[325][326] This content on "Eurasian geneflow" was initially added a few hours earlier at Genetic studies on Turkish people by User:2001:4bc9:812:d505:c97c:fae3:ad2b:b3cd,[327], which belongs to the same range as a blocked IP sock of WCF.[328] A few laters later, Heiwajima20Ip made modifications to the edits at Genetic studies on Turkish people by WCF's IP sock.[329] Krakkos (talk) 19:21, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims. Here is another new user ([330]) with the same interests in genetics/geneflow and also reverting back to versions by blocked user Whhu22, after this sock account got blocked: [331]. @RoySmith:.BambaraKaya (talk) 13:48, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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22 March 2022

Suspected sockpuppets


  • Andymoshi's edits[332], are mostly concerned with genetics, ethnic groups, and restoring, edits by WCF (specifically Whhu2)[333]. Adding content on geneflow and mixing (population/race related topics) is typical of WCF[334][335][336], including edits about Asian/Eurasian geneflow[337]. Andymoshi's edit summaries are very similar to newly confirmed WCF sock GanjDareh4.[338][339] and Whhu22 and Heiwajima20Ip. All were created on or became very active in February 2022. Long, argumentative edit summaries are also typical for WCF ([340]). Another indicative evidence is the profile description, stating interest in genetic topics and the motivation to 'undo vandalism and bias' ([341]). Compare to nearly identical descriptions and edit summaries by Vamlos or AsadalEditor, or GanjDareh4, or Magyarrider[342] [343] . Compare also to previous SPI cases above. His first edit instantly started with adding and editing genetic topics in the article Ethiopians[344]. BambaraKaya (talk) 14:56, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The filer is  Confirmed,  Blocked and tagged.
  • Andymoshi is technically  Inconclusive, but (checkuser black box stuff). I'll be back later to update as best I can. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:40, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Relisted - checkusers please see my notes on the wiki, and courtesy ping RoySmith who is familiar with this case. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:54, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      I poked around a bit. I found one interesting tidbit, but I really don't know how significant it is. I left a note in cuwiki. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:23, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      @Ivanvector I'm not sure if you intended to hand this off to me or if you were going to do some more work here. My feeling at this point is I suspect Andymoshi is a sock, but I'm not really sure enough to block on. In any case, they haven't edited in 3 months so there's no real urgency here. If it's OK with you, I'm going to close this. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:20, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      @RoySmith: thanks for the ping. I don't know what's up with the activity script, Andymoshi was editing three days ago, just before this was filed. I have blocked as a suspected sock, and also per WP:LOUTSOCK. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:54, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      OK, thanks. Apparently what's up with the activity script is my brain is too addled to read "created 2021-12-28, not stale" and recognize that's just the creation date, not the date of last edit. I know there's an option to fix that, but I've been too lazy to apply it, so I just keep making the same mistake :-) -- RoySmith (talk) 15:59, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      Unsolicited tech tip for those reading along: If you add lazyCheckCUStaleness = false; to your common.js, the script will always show the date of the last edit, regardless of whether or not they are obviously non-stale based on creation date alone. --Blablubbs (talk) 16:06, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      Yeah, that was it. Thanks. Now I'll need to find another excuse. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:12, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

29 March 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

User continues to misrepresent ethnic related data on "Genetic History of Africa" article. Long rant typical of him at 19:28, 27 March 2022. Tried to single out Omotic speakers as unadmixed even though I clearly provided him with sources. After agreeing with me he went in and tried to do the same thing again (15:12, 29 March 2022‎). Tried to single out Semitic speakers as having for prevalence of a Eurasian ancestral component ("Ethio-Somali") that actually peaks in Cushitic groups, and only budged after a long drawn out conversation on that Talk Page (see 15:52, 27 March 2022‎) Tried to change an ancestral component common to all groups in the Horn to single out Omotic-speakers (21:12, 26 March 2022) There's more that I called him out on on the talk page and in the edit summaries Efekadu (talk) 23:54, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The IP hasn't edited since March 29. Closing. Bbb23 (talk) 23:39, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

04 April 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

This IP has not been very active, but one of their edits caught my eye where they inserted text with a manipulated quote from a new journal article (the phrase "Malay Negrito groups" in the quote from Hoh et al. (2002) is actually "modern Malays" in the original text):

The same manipulated quote was added a while ago in this talk post by a blocked sock IP:

(The Proxy Checker says this is a Proxy/VPN. I wonder if this is related to recent unsuccessful CU's of otherwise obvious ducks.) Austronesier (talk) 20:02, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The IP has been blocked through a range block. Closing. Bbb23 (talk) 23:37, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

12 April 2022

Suspected sockpuppets


This may be a case of WP:GHBH, which WorldCreaterFighter has been running lately. KinhyaKing removed content added by Tommyranger (talk · contribs), who restored content removed by Whhu22 (talk · contribs). Whhu22 is a confirmed WP:GHBH sock of WorldCreaterFighter.

These edits look like classical GHBH that would have favored WorldCreaterFighter's position. WorldCreaterFighter is especially concerned with uniparental haplogroups, and would have wanted the Uyghur info removed.


[345] (Whhu22, 16 March)

[346] (Tommyranger reverts Whhu22, 6 April)

[347] (KinhyaKing reverts Tommyranger, 9 April)


Thanks for your attention. - Hunan201p (talk) 04:43, 12 April 2022 (UTC) Hunan201p (talk) 04:43, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • CU-blocked as an obvious duck who also used a variety of IPs, some of which are now more blocked. I'm no expert on this editor, and I'd like for someone to look over my shoulder, particularly to judge the IP mentioned above, by Hunan201p. Anyway, this King is confirmed to User:Heiwajima20Ip, blocked as a sock and an obvious attack name, prompted by the same kind of stuff we see on User talk:213.162.80.160. Drmies (talk) 18:12, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thank you very much for your speedy response and proaction. Without people like you and Austronesier, this website is doomed. - Hunan201p (talk) 18:17, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • No problem, and thanks, but really that's too much credit. I'm just a cog in a big machine. If it wasn't for gnomes, editors, admins, recent changes patrolers, article writers... Drmies (talk) 20:45, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Tagged account as confirmed. IP case looks to be addressed. Closing. --Jack Frost (talk) 20:32, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

15 April 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Apart from the usual undue promotion of new genetic studies ("Another study in 2021 concluded..") and the Asian topic range, this editor has made edits to Native Indonesians that use text which is very similar to text that was added by a previous sock in Negritos:

  • Arkiat:[348] The hunter-gatherer individual had approximately ~50% "Basal-East Asian" ancestry, and was positioned in between modern East Asians (including Andamanese Onge), and Papuans/Aboriginal Australians of Oceania. The authors concluded that East Asian-related ancestry expanded much earlier into Maritime Southeast Asia than previously suggested, long before the expansion of Austroasiatic and Austronesian groups.
  • Lankaman20:[349] The Negrito sample had approximatelly ~50% "Basal-East Asian" ancestry, and was positioned in between modern East Asians and Papuans of Oceania. The authors concluded that this shows that East Asian-related ancestry expanded much earlier than previously suggested, long before the expansion of Austroasiatic and Austronesian groups.

The IP editor @5.61.62.144 (apparently using a proxy) has added material in Malays_(ethnic_group) that is very similar to another piece of text added by @Arkiat:

  • Arkiat:[350] Another study in 2021 concluded that distinctive Basal-East Asian ancestry originated in Mainland Southeast Asia at ~50,000BC, and expanded through multiple migration waves southwards and northwards respectively. Basal-East Asian ancestry, as well as later Austroasiatic-associated ancestry, spreaded into Maritime Southeast Asia prior to the Austronesian expansion. Austronesian-speakers themself are suggested to have arrived on Taiwan and the northern Philippines between 10,000BC to 7,000BC from coastal southern China. The authors concluded that the Austronesian expansion into Insular Southeast Asia and Polynesia was outgoing from the Philippines rather than Taiwan, and that modern Austronesian-speaking people have largely ancestry from the earliest Basal-East Asians, Austroasiatic migrants from Mainland Southeast Asia, and Austronesian-speaking seafarers from the Philippines, with out much admixture from previous groups.
  • 5.61.62.144:[351] A study in 2021 concluded that a distinctive Basal-East Asian lineage (sometimes termed as 'East- and Southeast Asian lineage' (ESEA)), which is ancestral to modern East and Southeast Asians, Polynesians, and Siberians, originated in Mainland Southeast Asia at ~50,000BC, and expanded through multiple migration waves southwards and northwards respectively. Basal-East Asian ancestry, as well as later Austroasiatic-associated ancestry, spreaded into Maritime Southeast Asia prior to the Austronesian expansion. Austronesian-speakers themself are suggested to have arrived on Taiwan and the northern Philippines between 10,000BC to 7,000BC from coastal southern China, and spreaded from their throughout Insular Southeast Asia. The authors concluded that the Austronesian expansion into Insular Southeast Asia and Polynesia was outgoing from the Philippines rather than Taiwan, and that modern Austronesian-speaking peoples, such as the Malays, have largely ancestry from the earliest Basal-East Asians, Austroasiatic migrants from Mainland Southeast Asia, and Austronesian-speaking seafarers from the Philippines, with out much admixture from previous groups.

- Austronesier (talk) 07:01, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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16 April 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

I am seeking a check of Gengiev against Vamlos and any socks of WorldCreaterFighter. After about a year of being dormant, Gengiev is now aggressively deleting and posting images related to Uyghur people, just like Vamlos has done.

Example:

[352] <-- Gengiev inserts picture of Uyghurs, complains when others remove them. Note the edit summary:

"no you are misunderstanding again, read the talk page."

[353] <-- Vamlos complains about people removing pictures. Again see the similar demand in the edit summary:

"Also your picture shows 2 Uyghur man in Xinjiang not Kashgar and I don't understans the removal of the picture. COME TO TALK PAGE. There are numerous problems with your edits."

In fact, Vamlos repeatedly endulged in this sort of activity at the Uyghurs article. Please take note of his insistence on using talk pages to communicate.

Here is one edit from the above link that really caught my eye:

[354] <-- Vamlos complains about Uyghur pictures again. Edit summary:

"46.125.250.57 has numerous IP that keeps changing. The picture of 2 Uyghurs he chose doesn't say they are from Kasghar and all he post are Kashgar markets. There should be Hotan markets too. Also he keeps posting only Uyghurs that look Mongoloid"

Note the last sentence. Vamlos is mad that that people are posting images of Uyghurs that "look Mongoloid". Compare that to one of Gengiev's edits:

[355] <-- Gengiev deletes 14 paintings of Uyghurs. Most if not all of the individuals in these paintings would be considered "Mongoloid" by Vamlos.

Lastly, I would just like to point out that WorldCreaterFighter has been involved in very extensive WP:GHBH socking. Any of Gengiev or Vamlos's edits may be a part of that. For example, see the edit summary in my third diff. There, Vamlos complains about an IP (46.125.250.57) that geolocates to Austria, a country WorldCreaterFighter has been linked to.

Thank you very much for your talent and hard work. It will make me feel terible if I've wasted your time. Hunan201p (talk) 04:16, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Just noting that I blocked and tagged MLx22 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki).--Bbb23 (talk) 13:56, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Clerk endorsed - Although it's less clearcut than the other accounts, there's enough quacking that a check is warranted. Please compare to the currently and previously reported accounts. --Jack Frost (talk) 22:54, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  •  In progress - -- RoySmith (talk) 23:43, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • MLx22 is  Likely based on CU data; I'll retag them as proven. Gengiev is at best  Possible; given the lukewarm endorsement, I'm going to call them a miss. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:00, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

27 April 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Next to spamming, a rather clear case of block evasion and recruiting other people to spread POV.[[356]] Accused IP is obviously the blocked sock of Tommyranger and Vamlos, and here[[357]] (as "Peter Wong Hernandez": update: the WCF master got aware of his fail and started deleting his comments) actively recruiting other people to continue their vandalism (Citation: "copy all the the writings below blue link, than click the Wikipedia blue link and paste it at inside the Wikipedia blue link (at the bottom than click publish changes", eg.[[358]] or [[359]]. The IP and the Quora user, who probably is the sock master WCF, wants to restore to his original version of DerekHistorian/Vamlos/Tommyranger. He recently has used "good faith accounts", who he hopes to get reverted after being blocked (which here obviously failed), and now tries to get some reputable editors to revert to his favored version, see WP:GHBH.77.91.101.198 (talk) 15:45, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I would check out the filer in this instance... - Hunan201p (talk) 03:10, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

CU's don't link accounts to IP's, so the yellow box is pointless. casualdejekyll 14:44, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Following a suggestion by Hunan201p regarding a somewhat mysterious note on another IP talk page, I ran a check on a range and blocked User:Damila87. I have nothing to add, really, on this particular report. Drmies (talk) 14:51, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

14 May 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

[360] ← 2A01:CB14:8399:5000:2C98:E874:A7D0:9EA4 makes their first edit accusing me of racism, being banned, etc at Gokturks.

[361] ← Confirmed IP of WorldCreaterFighter makes very similiar accusations at Erminwin's talk page regarding the Xiongnu article. The Xiongnu were an ancient Asian nomadic confederation, linked by historians to the Göktürks.

I would also like to point out another suspicious editor: 81.10.217.91. This is an active Austrian IP, and has also edited Gokturks before: [362]. This IP shows identical activity to WorldCreaterFighter, such as heavily editing articles related to the Andamanese people, haplogroup N, Turks and Genetic history of East Asians, etc. Their entire edit history speaks for itself. Here are some diffs:


  • [363] 80.10.217.91 adds genetic info to Turkmens
  • [364] ← Turukkaean, confirmed sock, added identical content to Kyrgyz

Thanks for your attention and time. - Hunan201p (talk) 22:06, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Pink clock Awaiting administrative action -  Looks like a duck to me. Everything on 2a01:cb14:8380::/42 back to February is this user; please rangeblock for 3 months. Please block 81.10.217.91, which has been used intermittently but exclusively by this user for well over a year, for 12 months. --Jack Frost (talk) 23:12, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • All done, closing. firefly ( t · c ) 11:43, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

15 May 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

This IP, which geolocates to the same country as the IP in the previous investigation, may have been involved in WP:GHBH sockpuppetry, as they revert edits associated with World Creater Fighter's socks. The activity is exactly consistent with WCF's desired outcome at Haplogroup R.

[365] ← French IP undoes edit by Austrian IP.

Thanks again. - Hunan201p (talk) 01:29, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • They haven't used this range for over 2 months, and that's about how long it'd be blocked for anyway. no Closing without action. --Jack Frost (talk) 12:27, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

25 May 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Ghizz Archus signed up in 2020 but only began posting earlier this month, and almost all of his edits revolve around Uyghur genetics, the origin of the Kyrgyz Turkic people, and the Ainu.

All of the content he adds is similar to WorldCreaterFighter, and he seems to specifically target WP:GHBH socks of WorldCreaterFighter.


  • [366] In this diff, Ghizz Archus promotes the idea that the Uyghur people are mostly West Eurasian, using genetic studies. He complains that people are trying to block these studies, to promote an agenda that Uyghurs are majority East Eurasian (all of these people turned out to be WP:GHBH socks WorldCreaterFighter.)


  • [367] Vamlos, a confrimed sock of WorldCreaterFighter, adds the exact same "West Eurasian Uyghur" content as Ghizz Archus, and complains of 'conspiratorial' edits made by other editors, who promote the "East Asian Uyghur" theory. Note how this activity is very similar to how Vamlos and Tommyranger (another confirmed sock of this master) both advocated for the "Caucasoid Tarim mummy" stuff in various diffs, by variously pointing out their "European features", red hair, "Northern European appearance", etc.[368][369][370][371]


  • [372] Ghizz Archus accidentally posts in a "red haired Caucasoid Ainu" talk page discussion, which was created by TommyRanger (WorldCreaterFighter). In this talk page discussion, Ghizz Archus speculates that the Ainu of Japan may be related to the Äynu people. The Äynu people are a branch of the Uyghur people from Xinjiang, the same group that WorldCreaterFighter has promoted as belonging to the "Caucasoid" race. Note that Vamlos (WorldCreaterFighter) has also promoted an Ainu 'Caucasoid racial morphology' theory at that talk page.[373]


  • In an abrupt reversal of this behavioral pattern, in which WorldCreaterFighter and Ghizz Archus argue for the racial "whiteness" of ethnic populations in Asia, Ghizz Archus has added some sources suggesting that "the dominant racial type of the Yenisei Kyrgyz was East Asian."[374] Years earlier, similar content had been added by DerekHistorian, a suspected WorldCreaterFighter alt, regarding the racial "East Asian" appearance of the Kyrgyz and their "predominant" East Eurasian ancestry.[375] A confirmed sock of WorldCreaterFighter, DragoniteLeopard, also added similar content.[376] And yet another confirmed sock, TurkicDelight, also edited this same content.[377]. Thus, this is clearly a subject that is very important to WorldCreaterFighter.


As always, I greatly appreciate the hard work and attention that the SPI team gives to the cases here. Thank you very much for your time. - Hunan201p (talk) 17:28, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hunan201p, so your doing all this because I edited the Ashina tribe and corrected some mistakes you interpreted? Luckily your archives from 2020 show us what you previously did. You were blocked for 3 months for falsely accusing admins and experiences users as WorldCreaterFighter for disagreeing with you and also abusing your priveledgeds. And even after that you still get warnings. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hunan201p/Archive_3#Block_and_unblock

You could be right about others being WorldCreaterFighgter socks but I have nothing to do with him/or her.

For multiple times, you accuse me of using words I never wrote. Find me a single time that I had said " Caucasoid " or " Uyghurs are mostly West Eurasian " in wikipedia.

Here's my defense

[1] I said Uyghurs were "genetically diverse". Previous editor like Vamlos edited Uyghurs with West Eurasian and got blocked but Blocked editors KinhyaKing, Quapaw removed half of the information edited in Uyghurs's genetic area. I restored the genetic area to the original version that clearly shows Uyghurs can be closer, both to the West and East.

[2],[3],[4],[5] So what's the connection between me and those links? Vamlos edited " Overall, Uyghur show similarity to "Western East" Eurasians than East Asian populations. " He also said Uyghurs are 70-90% East Asian or 60-80% East Asian. I may have copied some similar comment

[7],[8] I didn't accidentally post it. I'm suppose to post it at the very bottom of the talk page discussion.

[9],[10],[11] I posted anthropology data on ancient Yenisei Kirghiz in the Ashina wiki page while all your links are about genetic on Kyrgyz people.

Just like that... you try to link me up as another WorldCreateFighter sock and suspected socks. If this WorldCreaterFighter, had been in wikipedia as long as 2012. He could easily have created hundreds or thousands of accounts and edited in many thousands of pages. So if he edited a wiki page about toilets and I did the same, and just for that I can suspected of being his sock Ghizz Archus (talk) 19:42, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the this response, I am including the usernames of suspected meatpuppets of WorldCreaterFighter from 2020 to this case. The extensiveness of this response suggests prior involvement on Wikipedia which, IMO, means that they are related to WorldCreaterFighter. My initial suspicion is that Ghizz Archus could possibly be related to Queenplz (talk · contribs), someone who showed up in defense of WorldCreaterFighter, reverted many of his edits, and who likewise showed an interest in the Ashina tribe[378].


UPDATE: This reminded me of a case I filed in 2020, which I implore the mods to read. SPI investigation 18 April 2020. In this case, I proposed that users Shinoshijak (talk · contribs) and Queenplz were WorldCreaterFighter, but Ivanvector said they weren't physically linked - while noting that they clearly weren't new users.
The behavioral similarities between Ghizz Archus and Shinoshijak/Queenplz are awfully similar. Queenplz and Shinoshijak promote the "whiteness" of some ethnic groups in Asia, and suggest that Jesus Christ was blond and blue eyed. Just see the April 2020 SPI case I linked to above.
Also, it's clear from the edit histories that they were both editing the same articles as WorldCreaterFighter, including interracial marriage, adding similar content about interracial marriages involving Asian men.



Queenplz confidently asserted that they weren't WorldCreaterFighter, just as Ghizz Archus has done, which may be true, or they could be meatpuppets of WorldCreaterFighter. Queenplz reverted a great deal of WorldCreaterFighter's edits, then disappeared in July 2020, just days before Ghizz Archus's account was created. Please check Ghizz Archus to Shinoshijak and Queenplz, since they may not be THE WorldCreaterFighter, but someone from the same group.
UPDATE #2: Shinoshijak reverted an edit of Bablos939[383], who may have been a WP:GHBH sock of WorldCreaterFighter/Vamlos.[384]. Pinging @RoySmith: who was involved in the Bablos939 case. - Hunan201p (talk) 01:57, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hunan201p, I have feeling your Iranian. You promote the idea that Ashina are Sogdian based on one single historian and came here to report me because I don't support your Iranian-Ashina theories. I have nothing to do with all those accounts! You just pull out two accounts out of nowhere and blah blah blah something to make it seem like they are related. If I wanted to I could easily find hundreds of account with similarity. There were tons of people who reverted Bablos939 not just those few.

So what does this new update of yours ? Bablos939 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bablos939 ) " This account has been blocked indefinitely because its owner is suspected of abusively using multiple accounts. " And naturally he got reverted by Shinoshijak. So what's your point ?

He also got reverted by Beyond My Ken for the same reason [385] 7 minutes after reverting back Shinoshijak, maybe you should check him also. If you want to link me people at least try to make sense.Ghizz Archus (talk) 20:25, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

  • I ran some CU checks. Ghizz Archus is  Unlikely to any account for which we have historical data, and I'm not seeing enough behavioral evidence to convince me to ignore the CU data. The other two accounts have not edited in a couple of years, so no point investing any effort in those. Closing with no action. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:21, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

13 June 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

New account primarily focused on genetics and linguistic articles. Introduced factual errors on Genetic studies on Arabs that the Proto-Austroasiatic language was spread by expansion from the Middle East, not supported by any sources. In fact, one of the sources that he added - Hogdson et al. supports a spread of Proto-Afroasiatic language from Northeast Africa into the Middle East. He also added the statement in regard to Haplogroup E1b1b, unsupported by the source cited "which became dominant among Natufians through genetic drift and bottleneck events, later spreading indirectly with Levant farmers into Southern Europe." He cites many of the same sources as suspected sockpuppet IP address 176.97.70.48 (March 2022 reported by me), apparently as a block-evasion tactic: see Genetic history of Africa and its talk page, Afroasiatic homeland, and Afroasiatic languages. These Afroasiatic articles have also previously been disrupted by WCF sockpuppet User:GanjDareh4 in line with WCF's modus operandi of utilizing sockpuppets with supposedly opposing views with the intent of introducing factual errors and disrupting articles. He also visited many of the same articles as User:Andymoshi, such as Genetic history of North Africa and Genetic studies on Arabs. He also edited the Uyghur people page the day after User:KinhyaKing (who also disrupted the Genetic history of Africa page) reverted edits by his other sock account user:Tommyranger on that page and was reported, see diffs 1082522442-1082524670 which directly followed the reversion by User:KinhyaKing. The user also introduced material that violates copyright at Afroasiatic pages, which is very common among WCF sockpuppets. Checkuser requested as behavior follows WCF's modus operandi of block evasion, multiple accounts, long-term abuse, and disruptive, bad faith edits.Efekadu (talk) 22:53, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Adding IP working in the similar topic areas. Note similar edits (addition of PCA and HapMaps) like the confirmed blocked IP [386] [387]. Also note the edits summary with the phrase commonly used by the sockfarm "wording for consistency" in both the diffs as well as in [388] [389]. -

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Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims. A really unfair accusation. It seems more like you want to protect your POV view regarding Afroasiatic. Anyway, for showing good faith, I will revert my recent edits concerning Afroasiatic topics until this dispute is solved. Please also see the disk at Afroasiatic homeland.WikiEdit2204 (talk) 08:02, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

  • WikiEdit2204  Confirmed no No comment with respect to IP address(es). The IP looks dynamic, however, so in the interest of expediency I'll close this. Somebody can still run down the IP if they want. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:33, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

17 June 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Account created on 15 June 2022 shortly after User:WikiEdit2204 disrupted Afroasiatic languages and Afroasiatic homeland page by removing content and pushing minority Levantine origin POV. Following WorldCreaterFighter's pattern of creating accounts with supposedly opposing views with the intent of introducing factual errors and disrupting articles, the new account User:Azazmeh, which was created less than an hour after Afroasiatic Languages page was edited to conform to consensus established on Talk:Afroasiatic_homeland#"Genetics has no place in linguistic discussion" – part 2, introduced content copied and pasted from Genetic history of Africa page, which WCF socks such as User:KinhyaKing have frequently disrupted. This new content introduced factual errors not in the article the user copied from and not in the source cited: "but found in varying degrees among all Afroasiatic-speakers". The user also excluded a key piece of context in their copy/paste job, in line with WCF's divisive agenda, see diffs by User:Andymoshi on the Ethiopians page such as 1074893583 and 1078536713. Here's the content the user excluded: "In an analysis of 68 Ethiopian ethnic groups, also referencing Mota, Lopez et al. (2021) revealed that groups belonging to the Omotic, Cushitic, and Semitic branches of Afro-Asiatic show high genetic similarity to each other on average. The data also support widespread recent intermixing among ethnic groups." Additionally, similar behavior has been noted on those Afroasiatic pages by WCF sockpuppet User:GanjDareh4. Checkusers requested as behavior by these users follows WCF's modus operandi of block evasion, multiple accounts, long-term abuse, and disruptive, bad faith edits. Efekadu (talk) 14:33, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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15 August 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

New IP user restored North Africa section on Afroasiatic homeland article that was deleted due to failed verification in any of the sources cited and no mention of an Afroasiatic homeland in the section itself. One author cited in the section endorse the Red Sea coast theory which has its own section, the rest make no mention of an Afroasiatic homeland. Section used weasel words to attribute content not supported by authors cited. Additionally, IP user restored content on that page added by WorldCreaterFighter sockpuppet User:Azazmeh that is loosely related to the topic. Efekadu (talk) 18:47, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  •  Check declined – Checkusers will not link accounts to IPs, per the privacy policy. --Jack Frost (talk) 18:57, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Quacking given they're reverting to preferred version of an article that is a favourite target of WCF and Middle East --> Africa changes. Pink clock Awaiting administrative action - Please block the IP for two weeks. --Jack Frost (talk) 19:06, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Jack Frost, did you mean to put the "Quacking given they're..." down here? If so, I'll block the IP EvergreenFir (talk) 19:14, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @EvergreenFir: Got it in one. Moved to correct section, thankyou! --Jack Frost (talk) 19:16, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Blocked EvergreenFir (talk) 19:16, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

09 August 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

In a previous case Ghizz Archus was not linked to WorldCreaterFighter due to technical differences and insufficient behavioral evidence. I will now offer new behavioral as well as circumstantial evidence to consider:

Behavioral evidence For several months, Ghizz Archus has been adding the same content at Uyghurs that WorldCreaterFighter (Vamlos) had added two years ago:

Ghizz Archus has even defended this content using the same exact arguments Vamlos made, two years ago:

Ghizz Archus shows a keen interest in the Y-chromosome haplogroup D-M55, commonly found in Japanese and Ainu people. This interest, in an obscure Japanese haplogroup, is also shared with multiple WorldCreaterFighter alts, including MomotaniYY and AsadalEditor.

  • [394] MomotaniYY makes concerned edit regarding the frequency of haplogroup D-M55 in Japan
  • [395] AsadalEditor again makes very specific changes to the paragraphs about haplogroup D-M55 at the Ainu people article
  • [396] GhizzArchus makes very detailed edits about haplogroup D-M55 at the Ainu people article

In April of 2022, Tommyranger, a blocked sockpuppet of WorldCreaterFighter, made multiple requests for people to add a study about Uyghurs from Hotan, emphasizing their "60% West Eurasian, 40% East Asian" and "as much as 84%" West Eurasian ancestry:

Sure enough, one month later, Ghizz Archus added that same study to History of Xinjiang:

In fact, Tommyranger had added this study to that article, previously:

Circumstantial evidence Ghizz Archus recently added a Google Books citation to an article:

The citation url is google.co.uk, in spite of the fact that Ghizz Archus claims to be Turkish, as seen on his user page. WorldCreaterFighter almost always uses .co.uk links and is often IP-linked to the United Kingdom.

In a successful SPI case filed by Austronesier, they pointed out that WorldCreaterFighter's socks can be linked by "bare URL with common geolocation" as shown by their Google Books citations:

This is not the only time Ghizz Archus has done this. Here I will quote edits from Ghizz Archus and WorldCreaterFighter, with emphasis added:

"The dominant type of the Yenesy Kyrgyz" was Mongoloid Anthropology of the North: Translations from Russian Sources, Issues 1-3 [...] http://books.google.co.uk"

"The dominant racial type of the Yenisey "Kyrgyz" was East Asian but with a indisputable admixture of West Eurasian elements in their composition. [...] books.google.co.uk"

The Google geolocation in the URL should be an honest signal of where the user really is. It's unlikely Ghizz Archus would get a British Google URL if he was outside the UK, even if using a VPN. So this should prove useful when looking at Ghizz Archus's technical details. If Ghizz Archus isn't using British IPs, it would be suspicious.

Thank you for your time. - Hunan201p (talk) 03:02, 9 August 2022 (UTC) Hunan201p (talk) 03:02, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am adding new behavioral evidence since RoySmith has indicated that the checkuser failed.
Note that Ghizz Archus and WorldCreaterFighter have a verbal commonality in their usage of this statement: "don't call this original research".
[404] Ghizz Archus says: "Don't call this original research. Unless there is absolute evidence that early Ashina looked like a "Hu" but even Chinese people from Qing dynasty described Uyghurs as looking like "Hu" people and Uyghurs are clearly mixed race. Basically the historian would have us thinking in last 2 centuries it was ruled by a predominant Chinese ruling class, even the Western Turkic Khaganate expansion to the west in Central Asia and East Europe, were done by a ruling class of Chinese genetically/physically."
  • [405] DerekHistorian: "Do not tell me is this original original research. Many anthropologist and geneticist argued for a Mongoloid origin for Finns"
And yet another verbal commonality is observed in the tendency to threaten to 'use someone's own source against them':
  • [406] DerekHistorian, editing while logged out: "... Do I need to use your own source against you again"
  • [407] Ghizz Archus: ... "HERE. Using the 2017 study against you."
Note the upper-case and boldface above from Ghizz Archus. Trademark WorldCreaterFighter style in the comment section.
Consider that WorldCreaterFighter has boasted about having IPs in the following countries:
  • [408] SatoshiKondo (confirmed sock): "the user behind worldcreaterfigher lives in england london. While we have IPs from Austria, Germany, Turkey, Iran, Singapure, Japan, S.Korea, Australia and Canada." - Hunan201p (talk) 23:52, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Update: Recently, Ghizz Archus has left some voluminous and erratic comments to this case. He has displayed an extensive knowledge about WorldCreaterFighter, which is pretty suspicious to me. How can a guy who just started editing in May of 2022 have so much knowledge about WorldCreaterFighter?
As I was reading through his comments, something stuck out at me. He wrote: ... "You blah blah blah even the tiniest thing as evidences."[409]
"Blah blah" is something that WorldCreaterFighter used to say a lot. I went looking for examples and found a very interesting one from the talk page of Gyatso1, a confirmed sockpuppet of WorldCreaterFighter.
Gyatso1 left this satirical comment at Gyatso1's talk page, during which they were having an "argument" about whether or not the Ainu were "black" or mixed with ASSI (indigenous south Indians). DerekHistorian was arguing against them being "part black". Emphasis added:
  • [410] ... "it is racist propaganda to say: oh you are all the same and related bla bla” but then you white and asian say: “no the black is nothing worth” and studies support multi regional human origin anyway. You not only want to steal our history but also our blood and our DNA. Many pictures show the Ainu had dark black skin. Ancient Tibetans had black negro skin and look. They not suddenly look asian. Look at all ainu japanese, they look still a bit black. Like papuan. Ancient Taiwanese was black too. The story of the little black man"
This comment is very peculiar, because I noticed Ghizz Archus making similar comments at Talk:Uyghurs, where he adamently argued that Uygur people aren't mixed with ASSI, because they aren't black, just like DerekHistorian did at Gyatso1's talk page. And like that discussion at Gyatso1's talk page, this one seems like WP:GHBH sockpuppetry.
Here are some examples from Ghizz Archus:
  • [411] ... "All your examples of high peaked South Asians examples that only you had shown so far; black skinned ethnic groups that look either South Indian tribal or Onge."
  • [412] ... "They generally look nothing like the mainstream South Asian especially not the South Indians where AASI peaks in the blackest skinned tribes."
  • [413] ... "Even in this chart [1] provided by 103.154.184.104. He uses only black skinned population of South Indian (Dravidian speaking tribal) or Negrito like Onge Andamanese to represent South Asia/SA. Is this a deliberate attempt to mislead wikipedian readers to believe Uyghurs are actually partially related with black skinned dalits and negrito Onge?"
However it doesn't end there, because DerekHistorian and Gyatso1 also had a neat little discussion about the frequency of haplogroup D-M55 in Ainu, which as I mentioned before was another topic that Ghizz Archus is interested in.
  • [414] ... DerekHistorian wrote: "D-M55 in Oceanic has nothing to do with ancient DNA but Japanese expansion and occupation."
  • [415] ... Ghizz Archus wrote: "A study by Tajima et al. (2004) Fourteen out of sixteen (or 87.5%) belong to YAP+ lineages (Y-haplogroups D-M55* and D-M125), with 13/16 (81.3%) belonging to D-M55 and 1/16 (6.25%) belonging to D-M125 (the latter is much more typical of mainland Japanese males than Ainu)."
In my opinion this is a clear duck case. Ghizz Archus adds the exact same material to Wikipedia as WorldCreaterFighter/DerekHistorian, and even uses similar idiosyncrasies when talking to people (especially me). He has way too much knowledge about WorldCreaterFighter for a new user, and acts like someone who has interacted with me years ago, despite only starting to edit in May of 2022. This all adds up to something very suspicious. If the CheckUser data says they're unrelated, consider that WorldCreaterFighter may actually be as sophisticated as they say they are, and may have some kind of "network".
WorldCreaterFighter has done this before. He has made sock accounts that passed CU, but turned out to get banned anyway because everyone intuitively knew they were related. DerekHistorian and Vamlos are two such examples. - Hunan201p (talk) 19:47, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Update: I have found yet more damning evidence for this case, this time from Vamlos.
  • [416] ... Vamlos wrote: "From what I've seen Adamanese are not 100% AASI either. Now as for Indian tribes, I have not seen every study but many of them are super black as heck in skin color although their hair type and facial features are different. Adamanese look like pseudo-Africans from Sub-Sahara where as all the South Indian tribes like Paniya 83% AASI With groups like Dalits, also know as the the untouchable are possibly 100% AASI. Also the point is if it was 50%- 75% African Sub-Saharan mix with 25-50% Iranian farmers, they woul all certainly look like a typical african black people. Or the very least they would have those tightly curlyed afro hair would be seen in every South Asian population."
  • [417] ... Ghizz Archus wrote: "'Obviously this 8% Adamanese/Onge related DNA in Tajiks isn't actually from people like Onge Adamanese/Negrito with their tight coiled hair or else people from North India and South India would look like part negrito with coiled hair."
Here we see again the same obsession with the black skin of ASSI and Negrito people. The same bias against ASSI ancestry in South and Central Asian populations that Ghizz Archus showed in his Talk:Uyghur discussion about ASSI. And now we see another matching idiosyncrasy: his belief that all South Asian populations would have 'tight coiled' hair if they were mixed with ASSI or Andamanese Negrito people.
In my opinion, there's no way Ghizz Archus cannot be a participant in the sockpuppetry that has plagued this site for years. - Hunan201p (talk) 06:20, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Update: More similarities. Compare these two comments from Vamlos and Ghizz Archus. Same sentiment against ASSI/Negrito/Onge admixture, same idiosyncrasy "commonsense".
  • [418] ... Vamlos wrote: "Mentioning the Harappan civilization in the Negritos wiki page. Do we even need a concensus to remove this ? Is like someone edited Donald Trump is a Indian guy and I'm sure you don't need to concesus to remove that when the source is manipulated, is all commonsense. I read prettymuch everything about Harrapan civilization and have not met a single word saying Negrito. The links genetic study says nothing about Negrito racial/phenotype people nor DNA..."
  • [419] ... Ghizz Archus wrote: "Kashmir was only recently part of India ( Union of India) in 1947, thanks to British colonization. The point is anyone with half the intellect and commonsense will there know is no way that South Insian/Onge can make up such a substantial percentage in Uyghurs."
You can also gleam from these talk page discussions the commonality in spacing errors, especially with puncuation and parentheses. Ghizz Archus and Vamlos/DerekHistorian always add a number of errant spaces with their question marks and parentheses.
Two diffs to compare:
[420][421] ... DerekHistorian restores content supporting a Turkic origin of the Turkic Ashina tribe, while adding CN tags and tempering the wording of anything suggestive of Sogdian or Saka links to the Ashina tribe.
[422] ... Ghizz Archus wrote: "I am like a thorn to your pro-Iranian edits in Turkic history [...] I disagree with Ashina being predominate Chinese rulers because they were Turkic. You have no problem with that because you Ashina to be Sogdians who became East Asian"
Recently, Ghizz Archus has posted a bunch of Quora pages. That's pretty funny, because look at the long term abuse page of WorldCreaterFighter:
  • [423] ... "A series of extremely thorough blog posts (though organized somewhat erratically and potentially unreliable) presented many accounts of evidence that behaviors and views very similar to this user are seen on various other internet platforms such as Quora and YouTube, also with a large number of sockpuppet aliases" - Hunan201p (talk) 15:29, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@EvergreenFir: Yes, "heck" is yet another behavioral tic that seems to stick here. *[424] ... DerekHistorian wrote: "no way in heck you convince anyone that is no hypocrisy...". Please also take note of the erratic ALL CAPS writing style and the spaces between the question marks. What really stands out though across all these edits is the weird order of verbs (verbs before nouns and even pronouns) and the struggle with distinguishing plural and singular forms of nouns (often puts an unnecessary 's' on them). I never posted this here because I assumed everyone else was noticing. Also, he uses "predominant" where "predominantly" would be more appropriate just like the socks. - Hunan201p (talk) 19:59, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
2 September 2022: See the unusual malapropism shared by Ghizz Archus, Vamlos and DerekHistorian, in which they mistakenly use the word "properly" where they should have used "probably".


  • [425] ... "Thanks. I want to say racism is properly partly involved."


  • [426] ... "I'm using only few examples here. Non-sop edit warring he is properly going to do this for years. Either a troll or have clear strong agenda."


  • [427] ... "For Turkic women it was properly even more common"
- Hunan201p (talk) 15:59, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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This is a circus.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:09, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

@RoySmith: I have added some extra behavioral evidence. If it's too late to take this in to consideration I will file another non-CU case. Thanks for your efforts. - Hunan201p (talk) 23:52, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hunan201p, your evidences are very boring, fake and repetitive. I know wondering why you been editing so many different wikipieda pages in just timelenght of 1 to 2 min just to change a letter. Is it because you don't want people to go back and see your history of bad behaviour.

I am like a thorn to your pro-Iranian edits in Turkic history, this is why you want to get rid of me. You blah blah blah even the tiniest thing as evidences. Our URL or geolocation is changed by google translate or even when I just a click a link provided by others. My primary objectives are all Turkic based history while DerekHistorians are all Chinese, Finns, Finland, Uralic, Singapore, Mongols, Turks and other ethnicities. I disagree with Ashina being predominate Chinese rulers because they were Turkic. You have no problem with that because you Ashina to be Sogdians who became East Asian looking

You have a history of unsuccessful word games. The fact that you repeated these same tricks shows what kind of person you are. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/WorldCreaterFighter&diff=951916624&oldid=951910216

What Hunan201p said in 15:08, 18 April 2020 (UTC) " Notice the phrase Shinoshijak used, "please do check". That same exact phrase was used by another account, Queenplz, who I linked to WorldCreaterFighter in the Qiushufang investigation below. Queenplz was also involved in an edit war over Genghis Khan's hair color: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=950263958 Queenplz quote: "PLEASE DO CHECK. I'm completely new to wikipedia, I not a sockuppet or whatever." This is the investigation where I linked Queenplz to WorldCreaterFighter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Qiushufang#11_April_2020 "

According to you Qiushufang, Shinoshijak, Queenplz should have been blocked too, but they haven't. So this time your going to say I'm DerekHistorian because I said against you ?

Miranda warning "You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can be used against you in court".

why have you in the past months made thousands of edits that last only for 1-2 minutes ? The vast majority of them it's just changing a single letter or word. If your trolling than I don't know what it is. Another possiblity is you want to make as much edits so people won't know that you have a bad history of trolling and accusing others for challanging you. Afterall you did get a 3 months blocked for wrongly accusing admins and other wiki users. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hunan201p/Archive_3#Block_and_unblock Ghizz Archus (talk) 21:48, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I did more checking. I'm want to say that you deliberately avoided mentioning that User:Satoshi Kondo was a confirmed sock/or suspected sock of WorldCreaterFighter. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Satoshi_Kondo . Why would Satoshi Kondo expose himself as WorldCreaterFighter if those locations are all correct ? The only proven and confirmed Geolocation or IP of WorldCreaterFighter are Austrian IP and English IP.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse/WorldCreaterFighter
With the Austrian IP make up for 39 confirmed, the British IP only 3. More than anything, WorldCreaterFighter is Austrian. I bet you knew all of this but you didn't say anything about it here, because we are in a sockpuppet investigation. You will use gibberish evidence and narratives just to get anyone who stands in your way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=958378105#Disruptive_editing_at_User_talk:Hunan201p
User:Steve Quinn said this "Hunan201p is now using his talk page to encourage 4 editors (by pinging them) to revert edits on Wikipedia articles to his preferred version [195], [196]. Please see the top of that section for the pings. How this is done is - the pings are in conjunction with some gibberish about another editor and some IPs engaged in sock behavior and/or meat behavior on certain named Wikipedia pages. Hunan201p is doing all this under the banner of pointing out sock disruption and meat disruption, when in reality, the edits he to which he points are in agreement with guidelines and policies."
Here is why User:Deepfriedokra blocked Hunan201p. He said " I would like to point out that that sort aforementioned gibberish is the reason for the block. He also requested to be unblocked on WP:SPI, talk pages, and noticeboards. That seemed a silly thing to do, and this gibberish spewing just confirms that perception. @Hunan201p: I would like to point out that continuing this behavior after the current block ends will certainly result in a longer block. --Deep fried okra User talk:Deepfriedokra 13:19, 23 May 2020 (UTC) " Ghizz Archus (talk) 12:19, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Dude, how can bizarre can you get. Gyatso and DerekHistorian are at least 2 years old accounts.
Your own very evidences are contradicting yourself. Why Can't you even see that for yourself ??
Hunan201p mistakes'
DerekHistorian said "D-M55 has nothing to do with ancient DNA but with Japanese expansion and occupation". Meaning he is claimimg D-M55 belongs to Japanese males.
I wrote " 1/16 (6.25%) belonging to D-M125 (the latter is much more typical of mainland Japanese males than Ainu) ". I said D-M125 is what belongs to Japanese males
Again, let me repeat. DerekHistorian said D-M55 belongs to Japanese expansion/occupation (meaning Japanese males) but I said D-M125 is more much typical of Japanese males.
You were so desperate in kicking me out of the game that you couldn't even see this mistake your mistake. We are clearly two different people or else we be saying the same thing.
Another mistake by Hunan201p
Dude, I said Uyghurs look Caucasian, East Asian, mixed race. The other guy tried to claim Uyghur are part dravidians in DNA which was ridicolous because Uyghurs look nothing like that. Dravidians are indeed black skinned people with their own phenotypes but even that
I CLEARLY SAID they don't look Negrito or Australoid. That blocked Gyatso1 is trolling by claiming everything as black and negro. Again, we are clearly two different people .Ghizz Archus (talk) 13:03, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Update
This is getting boring as heck so I'm to refute one more time. I have nothing to do with this Vamlos, DerekHistorian, Gyatso and every other accounts. As for WorldCreaterFighter, he is anti-Turk so I don't understand why you think I'm him. Properly a few of those accounts are ethnic Turks like me, because I see many Turks that write with similar opinions.
Are are you kidding me ? The nonsense claim that about Adamanese/Onge being related with some Negrito aborigines is a widespread silly questions by trolls. Also why you comparing these similarities with what I said ? I said tight coiled hair, while Vamlos said tightly Curley Afro hair. Just because we share a tiny bit of similarity does not mean we are same people. I've read plenty of Vamlos comments, perhaps he is also Drakey504 on reddit, I tend to agree with more than 50% of what he wrote. You can easily say p anyerson from Quora it's me. If I was to copy similarity between me and others there be at least thousands of people who can as me just became in more than 5 or 10- similar topics.
Quora questions and answers. I certainly couldn't be 30-50 different Quora users are the same time.
Are Tamils the same as Australian Aborigines racially. How closely related are they linked to the Adamanese Aborigines ?
https://www.quora.com/Are-Tamils-the-same-as-Australian-Aborigines-racially-How-closely-are-they-linked-to-the-Adamanese-Aborigines
If South Indians are closely related with Adamanese, why do they not have curly hair like Onges (resembling Africans)?
https://www.quora.com/unanswered/If-South-Indians-are-closely-related-with-Adamanese-why-do-they-not-have-curly-hair-like-Onges-resembling-Africans?q=Are%20Adamanese
Are south Indians related to Africans?
https://www.quora.com/Are-south-Indians-related-to-Africans
Shouldn't the Tamil civilization be referred to as an African civilization (not Dravidian), since genes of Tamils are mainly derived from Negrito Andamanese who are the earliest representatives of Africans?
https://www.quora.com/Shouldnt-the-Tamil-civilization-be-referred-to-as-an-African-civilization-not-Dravidian-since-genes-of-Tamils-are-mainly-derived-from-Negrito-Andamanese-who-are-the-earliest-representatives-of-Africans
Are black skinned people of India (Tamils, Dravidians) classified as Caucasoids?
https://www.quora.com/Are-black-skinned-people-of-India-Tamils-Dravidians-classified-as-Caucasoids
https://www.quora.com/Which-race-ethnicities-tend-to-have-certain-hair-textures-curly-straight-wavy-hair
From REDDITT
And about Africans and Onge/Adamanese having tight coiled hair is common knowledge
https://www.quora.com/Which-race-ethnicities-tend-to-have-certain-hair-textures-curly-straight-wavy-hair
https://www.reddit.com/r/evolution/comments/m7tq39/did_african_curlywiry_hair_evolve_after_people/
Which race/ethnicities tend to have certain hair textures (curly, straight, wavy hair)?
https://www.quora.com/Which-race-ethnicities-tend-to-have-certain-hair-textures-curly-straight-wavy-hair
I'm done with Hunan201p. I don't know if he is trolling or not at this point.Ghizz Archus (talk) 14:36, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]


UPDATE

Evidence that Hunan201p and Vamlos are both Iranian supremacist. Both have in common in promoting Iranian theories on Turkic ethncities. Anyone who sees my edit would know I've rejected all Iranian theories on Turkic related topics. How dare this guy even even think I'm the same user as WorldCreaterFighter who clearly states he is anti-Turk. Or thinking I'm Vamlos who's also a Iranian supremacist that behaves exactly Hunan201p.

Hunan201p = Vamlos. Look at the similarity of words and the genetic theories they use.

Vamlos https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Turkmens&diff=987549728&oldid=987549462

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Turkmens#Turkmen's_Iranian_origin Turkmen's Iranian origin", " Turkmen are partly Iranian or Indo-European origin. " "1)Turkmen Status within Iranian Ethnic Identity (Cultural, Geographical, Political) " "mtDNA study shows " Turkmens: Genetic studies show that the Turkmens are characterized by the presence of local Iranian mtDNA lineages, similar to the eastern Iranian populations ""

Hunan201phttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ashina_tribe&diff=1102837529&oldid=1102775386

In this Ashina page. He edited that early Ashina looked like Sogdians (and guess what Sogdians were Iranians " According to Lee & Kuang (2017), the most likely explanation for the West Eurasian physiognomy of the Yenisei Kirghiz is a high frequency of the Eurasian Indo-European haplogroup R1a-Z93.[59]

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ashina_tribe&diff=934317300&oldid=934300678

" Fortunately for Wikipedia, Calthinus doesn't get to determine how things 'work' around here. The multiple references on this page, that page and several others make very clear that these people had Iranian heritage "

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ashina_tribe&diff=935147396&oldid=935143042

"Little is really known about the origins of the Türks. Their ruling clan bore the name Ashina probably an Eastern 'Iranian or Tokharian word"

Hunan201p, you really like cherrypicking lies and linking to me. It's almost impossible to search any talk page of you Hunan201p, because you made it impossible by making a endless wall of edits. Going through it is so annoying even after going 500 pages foward, it is irritating.

It is obvious that Hunan201p is Vamlos (Or he is Anti-Turk WorldCreaterFighter). Ghizz Archus (talk) 18:46, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

NOTE: Hey, hopefully nobody gets any wrong idea. I wrote "boring as heck " because I was being a little sarcastic. Hunan201p one who first brought out Vamlos " Black as heck " so I replied "Boring as heck" to see if he would use this as evidence against me and he didn't even notice but EverGreenFir did. From what I know what matters is Geolocation of IP's. The socks of WorldCreaterFighter are mostly Austrian IP and few British. So there should be nothing to worry aboutGhizz Archus (talk) 19:10, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't mistake silence for ignorance. I did indeed notice your slip-up there, as well another critical error that I haven't mentioned here. - Hunan201p (talk) 19:41, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You didn't even notice until EvergreenFir said something. You think your smart with word games?
Vamlos and Hunan201p both said " Iranian ", "Indo-European", " Eastern Iranian " and both you also editted Indo-European genetic theories on Turkic ethnic groups. How that's ? Ghizz Archus (talk) 20:02, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Update Spaces between the question marks ? That's something I found very common in many Turkish editors. Maybe this time you will believe that I am Turkish since you think WorldCreaterFighter and all his other accounts can't be Turks. There are also some non-Turkish like this guy who's properly Ukrainian User:Rsk6400. You once suspected he was WorldCreaterFighter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ancient_North_Eurasian#South_Americans_? These Turkish users from 2006 and 2011. You have no right to even say they are related with WarriorCreaterFighter because he started to exist in 2013. Nedim https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Turkish_people/Archive_8#Turks_in_Infobox Ardoğa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Turkish_people/Archive_8#Iraq takabeg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Turkish_people/Archive_5#Turkish_names Zoko19 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Turkish_people/Archive_1#Who_are_Turks_ Tombseye Raki-holic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Turkish_people/Archive_2#Last_Picture

It's confirmed DerekHistorian, Vamlos are all WorldCreaterFighters IP locations were all from are Austria(39) , UK(3) and none from Turkey.Ghizz Archus (talk) 21:35, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]


UPDATE: This is surprising

@EvergreenFir::@RoySmith: I will expose the very thing Hunan201p wanted to hide. I finally discovered why contributed a massive wall of edits in such a short time. It was to exhaust our patients and give up finding clues on his talk pages.

I've shown than Vamlos and Hunan201p both promoted Iranic theories in genetics and in their choices of words. Futher similarities will show us that Hunan201p was actually Vamlos, meaning he was also DerekHistorian and WorldCreaterFighter.

1) Mongoloid 2) Predominantly

WorldCreaterFighter "were predominantly Caucasoid appearance with some admixture of Mongoloid traits. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kipchaks&diff=604829610&oldid=604150134

Vamlos: " Ainu themselves are genetically 66% to 79.3% Jomon meaning they are predominately Jomon meaning they are also proto-Mongoloid (predominately) "

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Proto-Mongoloid&diff=prev&oldid=1042535710


Hunan201p: "Mongoloid not "Mongol " Hunan201p: "with a mixture of European and Mongoloid features "

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kyrgyz_people&diff=prev&oldid=887539072

Hunan201p: "I am nowhere saying that the Xiongnu or early Turks were predominantly West Eurasian. What I am saying is this."

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Turkic_peoples&diff=1077941542&oldid=1077938436

Hunan201p: "I tried to remove is in fact a contentious study, which attempts to refute a different author's finding that Uyghurs are predominantly West EurAsian "

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Uyghurs&diff=915413411&oldid=915413256

Remember what Hunan201 recently said. He uses "predominant" where "predominantly" would be more appropriate just like the socks. Hunan201p just expost himself as a sock. All the way back to 2019, Hunan210p also used outdated racial terminology like "Mongoloid" while I used "East Asian" or "East Eurasians" since the very beginning.

1) East Asian 2) Predominant

Ghizz Archus: "That means Turkic people look like East Asian". Ghizz Archus:"East Asian looks were a Turkic thing to begin with. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ashina_tribe&diff=1090156076&oldid=1081676303

Ghizz Archus: "South Indians, predominant in Dravidian speakers or almost entirely dominated by South Indian tribals and Dalits" Ghizz Archus: " The Kashmiri do have more ASSI admixture but still predominant West Eurasian "

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Uyghurs&diff=1085801358&oldid=1085704465


It's just like in the movies. The real cuprit is finally revealed.Ghizz Archus (talk) 10:01, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Defending myself from serious claims by Rossguill ( it scares me)

1) User:Rossguill I had been fully respectful all this time and was about to give editing but than you did something that shocked me. I won't even bother replying at the other sock investigation About canvassing. I am unrelated with those accounts because, all of them and not a single one. Not my fault if they decided to intervene but what they have to with me ????? A look at Shinoshijak history or Hunan201p archives knows he already made so many enemies.

2) Similarities Hunan201p have to worldcreaterfighter (a Austrian IP look at the list). Can't you see where I'am from, I though you can all you see where IPs are from. Go check Hunan201p because I don't know how file a investigation. You say Hunan201p similarties to WorldCreaterFighter is absurd when evidence clearly shows they both promote Iranic theories and used the same words and terms. He faked being a native speaker so he could play double roles the very definition of sockpuppets. They both edited Iranian topics just to promote Iranian theories on Turkic pages, and they use terms like Indo-European, Iranian, East Iranian, predominantly, Mongoloid. While I be saying East Asian, East Eurasian and Predominant and never edited in topics Iranian, Indo-European, Scythian, blond, Iranic empires something that both Hunan201p and Worlcreaterfighter (and his socks do). The similarities in some speech are just fake similarties he manipulated. If Hunan201p have nothing to hide than why did he made 2000 or 3000 edits making a huge wall of edits. Even fast fowarding 500 pages will take at least 60 times to go back to 2021.

3) A BLOCK FOR JUST saying "a thorn to your Iranian editors "?????????? If that's wrong I am sorry but at best just a warning. When I said thorn I mean it as a blocking to all his Iranian edits and I said it only once.

4) "Ghizz Archus strike me as WP:BATTLEGROUND". Where did you see me giving out a battlground behaviour, provide it and you are correct. I listen to everything you said. I did not engage edit warring, did not insult anyone, and started page disccusions repeatedly. Perharps your confused with [Hunan201p history] who were blocked by admin Steve Qinn and Deep fried okra for WP BATTLEGROUND. Please provide evidence for this and don't make empty accusations against me.

Speaking of WP:BATTLEGROUND again, how does Rossguill ignores Hunan201p got blocked for that reason and previously and way before already had Please stop disruptively editing , 3RR Warnings, Disruptive editing is allow to the same without consequences

Hunan201p history and repeatedly reverted edits (edit warring). Funny enough his first edit summary was saying gibberish when he was blocked that reason here no.1, again no.2, again no.3, again no.4. He edit warring four times by avoiding page disccusion and edit warrning. He didn't learn from hjis warnings but how does he not get blocked again ?

5) Why doesn't Rossguill or Hunan201p get a block for completely disregarding our past history of dispute. I was the one who followed all the rules by being the first to start discussion talk page but Hunan201p did not but why does he get the advantage over me. Rosgguill gave Hunan201p all the rights to edit the article how he likes by putting all the pressure to me. Without questioning or researching our history and without knowing Hunan201p history of being blocked and violation of not building concensus and avoid building concensus for 3 months.

Despite I was the first to start a talk page disccusion and the one to finish the discussion in the end. Hunan201p decided for 2 months and 6 days not to continue disccusion but kept editing in other articles.

Please look. I have won the dispute against Hunan201p by replying everything. For more than two months Hunan201p had nothing to say and kept editing other articles. For 2 months and 3 days he ignored everything. here since 23:06, 28 May 2022 (UTC) Here I edited my version of the article from May to August unchanged for a period of 2 months. Hunan201p didn't reply back back and didn't even give any proper reason. He just removed them out of nowhere without explanining. here 19:30, 2 June 2022 But Hunan201p decided to just revert it to the way he likes by having it removed without settling in our dispute. In the end Rossguill helped him out and the edit warring stopped because already had everything how likes it.

Combine the reason no.4 and reason no.5 together and you find how absurd this is. Rossguill should be helping me instead and Hunan201p should be blocked but instead chose to ignore all of them and gave all the advantages to Hunan201p. Did Rossguill did this without checking or because he doesn't care. If this is how things works than this should be a reminder to every editor that even if you did everything your supposed to you could still be disavantaged and treated unfairly.Ghizz Archus (talk) 12:49, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Behavioral evidence: errant spaces with their question marks (Defending myself)
I chose this because is easy and takes little time to do.
Hunan201p said this: "Ghizz Archus and Vamlos/DerekHistorian always add a number of errant spaces with their question marks"
Rossguill thinks my behavior matches Ghizz Archus.
Everyone can see Ghizz made his last post from his last date which is 12:49, 1 September 2022 (UTC). Everyone can see he always makes spaces between his sentences and question marks.
My question marks are always joined with my sentences.today and yesterday and if your still not satisfied look at my discussion with Quishufang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Qiushufang.
All the examples were before Ghizz. Now you can't say I displayed a similar writing style to Ghizz and the others.82.36.220.78 (talk) 21:40, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Good explanation for any similarities between Archus Ghuzz and myself.
We both are low level at English and we both properly use Google language translator. We are still not the same people regardless. I am Taiwanese migrant and he is Turkish male but in terms of topics, editing style, how question marks are used, and length of paragraphs are all different. Another thing to point out Archus Ghuzz never edit this late. If I was him why there isn't one single history where Archus Ghuzz edit this late at night? (The evidence is in our editing timing)
I will make more explanation so hold on.82.36.220.78 (talk) 00:41, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
More explanation: You could easily accuse us of being this Korean blocked user User:Bablos939 who uses bad English vs bad English Vamlos. Someone already said that he uses Google language translator.
this link does not represent a complete conversation
Our grammars and punctuations are all similar but clearly Bablos939 who was a different blocked user is not Vamlos(DerekHistorian or WorldCreaterFighter).82.36.220.78 (talk) 01:08, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Replying to this question " There is no obligation to have an IP match in order to block. VPNs exist, and there are other known tricks that can fool the CheckUser tool."
VPNs exist but Super VPNs don't exist. If I edit my IP account in under a minute and Ghizz edits his IP account all under minute too, than how on earth can we still be the same?. VPNs takes a long time to change, there is no way we be the same people unless you can prove to me that there is a super technology that can our IP address in less than a minute.82.36.220.78 (talk) 01:20, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Replying " CheckUser essentially exists to catch careless vandals that don't know how to cover their tracks. In this case, between myriad linguistic tics in common (not just punctuation use), overlapping topical focus, similar patterns of editing and shared vendettas against other editors.
Must be the language translator and I never said anything bad against Hunan201p. It's Ghizz Archus who resents him. We have a lot of differences: editing style, paragraph length, placement of question marks, choice of topics ect.
Rossguill Careless vandals don't know how to cover their tracks?
You obviously didn't check our timing.
Rossguill There's no way you aren't the same person.
Yeah. We are obviously not the same person.
Here some evidence. Show me a time when Archus Ghuzz is still editing this late at night?
See for yourself. A entire history of Ghizz Archus he made 500-600 since May. You never see a single time of him being this late at night. You won't find anything from 00:00 to 09:02. His edits is 09:02 to 23:04
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Ghizz_Archus&offset=&limit=500&target=Ghizz+Archus
Now here is my entire editing history. My timing is anything from 00:06 to 23:59. You can find me at 00:06, 00:07, 00:41, 00:43, 01:20 , 05:25, 5:26.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/82.36.220.78&offset=20220816052807&limit=500&target=82.36.220.78
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/82.36.220.78&offset=20220816052807&limit=500&target=82.36.220.78
You even both spell my name wrong in the same idiosyncratic way
I spelt your name correctly so unless you have evidence show me.82.36.220.78 (talk) 01:58, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What the? Fairly confident you say? Bring it. I want to see how this turns out. To Ghizz Archus and Shinoshijak, if we all get blocked make sure you reveal your single IP address. Our IP location will show us are all from different locations. If we are all from different countries or cities there is no excuses.82.36.220.78 (talk) 18:35, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ghizz and Shino

Ross is accusing all three of us of being the same person with the same accounts and IP right after Ghizz said some things at him supporting Hunan201p. If we do get blocked show your IP address and post the link everywhere if there's corruption. All three of us will have also have to report. IP addresses are always linked to accounts. There is no reason to hide it at this point because we are three different people with three different accounts.

I was recommended by https://www.reddit.com/user/youngj2827/ (Young2 short for Youngj2827) He is the reason for my headache. Wikipedia is not my thing but I don't want to be blocked because of him.82.36.220.78 (talk) 19:25, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

  • From a CU perspective, nothing has changed since 25 May 2022. I ran another check; the data from that check says Ghizz Archus is Red X Unrelated or at best  Unlikely. It is always possible that the CU data is wrong, and for that reason I'll just leave this as checked and add  Behavioural evidence needs evaluation, but my advice to the clerk who looks at this is that the CU data looks solid to me and you'll need really strong behavioral evidence to come to a different conclusion. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:13, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @RoySmith the use of "as heck" is unusual... of all the bs here, that stands out to me EvergreenFir (talk) 18:41, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Clerk note: I've trimmed a bunch of unnecessary blank lines to make the report more readable. --Blablubbs (talk) 20:29, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Hunan201p and Ghizz Archus: You've both said enough here. Thanks. A clerk or admin will let you know if we have any further questions for either of you. (No need to reply to this comment.) -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 11:34, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The retaliatory accusations that Hunan201p is in fact WorldCreaterFighter are flatly absurd based on a comparison of their talk page speech patterns. Hunan201p writes like a native English speaker, WorldCreaterFighter doesn't. I'm honestly not familiar enough with the topics in question to assess whether the similarity between Ghizz Archus and WorldCreaterFighter in terms of arguments presented is sufficient, but there's certainly a lot of similarity in their patterns of speech. Frankly, comments like I am like a thorn to your pro-Iranian edits in Turkic history by Ghizz Archus strike me as WP:BATTLEGROUND behavior that may merit a block in its own right, regardless of whether they are found to be a sockpuppet. signed, Rosguill talk 23:22, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    See also Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Shinoshijak, which features an IP that can be linguistically linked to Ghizz Archus and editorially linked to WCF socks Vamlos and DerekHistorian. At this point, I'm fairly confident that WCF, Ghizz Archus, and IP 82... are all the same person. signed, Rosguill talk 18:22, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    There is no obligation to have an IP match in order to block. VPNs exist, and there are other known tricks that can fool the CheckUser tool. CheckUser essentially exists to catch careless vandals that don't know how to cover their tracks. In this case, between myriad linguistic tics in common (not just punctuation use), overlapping topical focus, similar patterns of editing and shared vendettas against other editors, there's no way you aren't the same person. You even both spell my name wrong in the same idiosyncratic way. I'll let an SPI clerk make the final call here despite having discretion to block myself since I think that will produce less drama. signed, Rosguill talk 23:16, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've blocked the IP for one month for disruptive editing. This page is an unholy mess. Most of it should at least be hatted.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:07, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is obviously going nowhere. As a practical matter, Ghizz Archus hasn't edited in almost 2 months, so there really isn't any rush to do anything. If they start to edit again, we can always come back and take another look. Closing. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:53, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

20 October 2022

Suspected sockpuppets


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@Ponyo: I think behavioral evidence points to @WorldCreaterFighter. @WorldCreaterFighter has been very prolific in creating socks by assuming various ethnic identities, which are also visible here in the user names of the socks. Sometimes, they even try to edit pages in a range related to these ethnic "identities" although their main focus is on genetic studies. A tell-tale thing is when they drift into their "pet" topics which are totally unrelated to the assumed identity. E.g. here, @SapmiSamo made their first edits in Sámi, but later made this edit in Black people which is a clear giveaway with their interest in the genetic history of Asian populations. –Austronesier (talk) 17:29, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Add As mentioned in @Joe's talk page, I have noticed that one of the maps that triggered this SPI was uploaded to WP only 20 minutes after its creation (see here[428] and here[429]). I have no idea whether uploading to Commons and editing in WP under different user names is verboten, but nevertheless I have followed the latter's edit trail and stumbled across this discussion. The topic is quite unlike @WorldCreaterFighter typical edit range, but just looking at the layout of their take page posts gives me a deja vu to earlier post by @WorldCreaterFighter's socks, especially the use of italics for quotes. Sorry, a vague feeling isn't of much worth, but I bet that a CU of this user will lead to another sockfarm. –Austronesier (talk) 17:52, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

  • All accounts  Confirmed to each other. I'm not sure who the master is, so I just filed this under the name of the oldest account; it can be moved if someone is able to make a behavioural connection to the actual master account (given the topic area, the idiosyncatic use of the accounts and reliance on open proxies, there's bound to be one). Pinging @Austronesier, Joe Roe, and Doug Weller: whose inquiries formed the basis for the check.-- Ponyobons mots 16:59, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I ran some checks to compare the accounts here to WorldCreaterFighter as suggested by Austronesier. It's a least  Likely. I'll merge to that case. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:23, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tagging as suspected, although proven would also be reasonable. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:28, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added dual tags. MarioGom (talk) 19:58, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

03 November 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Follows patterns of unsourced separating Omotic speakers from other Afroasiatic groups on Genetic history of Africa Revision as of 06:26, 21 October 2022 "The West/East African lineage diverged from the ancestors of Eurasians between ~90 000 to ~70,000 years ago, and later diverged into two subgroups, West Africans (Niger-Congo speakers) and East Africans (Nilo-Saharan and Omotic speakers), about ~28,000 years ago" where the source states that Afroasiatic groups (which includes Omotic) split from Nilo-Saharan and Niger-Congo groups 50,000 years ago. There's no mention of Omotic in the source.

Also inserted the unsourced change: "The H. sapiens ancestral to proper Eurasians most likely developed in various regions of Northeastern Africa, between 90,000 and 70,000 years ago. The "recent African origin" model proposes that all modern non-African populations are substantially descended from one or several diverse waves of H. sapiens that left Africa, through the Arabian Peninsula, at about 70,000 years ago, with some proposing an earlier date." Sources mention H. Sapiens leaving Africa around these dates, not "developing." This article has been a target of other WCF socks such as User:KinhyaKing User:WikiEdit2204 and blocked IP user 176.97.70.48 Efekadu (talk) 19:20, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

  • Range blocked as a webhost by Blablubbs, closing. Spicy (talk) 22:49, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

03 November 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Only contribution was to immediately follow unsourced edits from other suspected IP sock 37.252.11.61 on Genetic history of Africa Efekadu (talk) 19:28, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

  • Range blocked as a webhost by Blablubbs, closing. Spicy (talk) 22:49, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

14 November 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

User targets Afroasiatic language content to disinform similar to WCF socks 176.97.70.48, User:Azazmeh, User:WikiEdit2204. On Ancient Semitic-speaking peoples page, between 13:44 and 13:47 on 16 September 2022, user utilized a WCF favorite paper (Hodgson et. al, also used by Azazmeh and WikiEdit2204) as a citation on a statement directly contradicted by the paper.
The statement:
"and say that the view that Proto-Semitic speaking groups in the Horn of Africa originated in Western Asia cannot be supported by archaeological, epigraphic and linguistic evidence."
The paper:
"We hypothesize that a population with substantial Ethio-Somali ancestry could be the proto-Afro-Asiatic speakers. A later migration of a subset of this population back to the Levant before 6 ka would account for a Levantine origin of the Semitic languages [18] and the relatively even distribution of around 7% Ethio-Somali ancestry in all sampled Levantine populations (Table S6). Later migration from Arabia into the HOA beginning around 3 ka would explain the origin of the Ethiosemitic languages at this time [18], the presence of greater Arabian and Eurasian ancestry in the Semitic speaking populations of the HOA (Table 2, S6), and ROLLOFF/ALDER estimates of admixture in HOA populations between 1–5 ka"
User was warned on talk page twice for original research on Ethiopian Semitic languages on 26 September 2022 and a revert on 1 October 2022. User was also warned for similar edits made on 17 September 2022, 26 September 2022, and a revert on 1 October 2022 on South Semitic languages page.
On 12 November 2022 on the Ancient Semitic-speaking peoples page user removed the Hodgson source along with a high-quality source by prominent Ethiopian studies scholar Donald N. Levine and replaced it with a book about the Origin of the Jews, which is not dedicated to the origin of Semitic languages in the Horn of Africa. He also used NPOV language for a topic without an academic consensus "many scholars now think" whereas the other theories cited say "some scholars" Efekadu (talk) 18:05, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The clumsiness of their edits and diction remind me more the sockmaster that has been split out to the @Vamlos SPI, although the edit range does not make a good match. –Austronesier (talk) 22:03, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Efekadu:
I agree with Austronesiser that you might consider filing this under Vamlos.
Something caught my eye: Eddiitt0 has made contributions to Ancient North Eurasian which emphasize their mostly European origin:
This is very similar to recent edits from an IP editor who has admitted to being WCF/Vamlos:
I recently filed a sockpuppet investigation for Vamlos where I posted examples of two other IP addresses from Turkic countries, who both share the interest of WCF/Vamlos in Ancient North Eurasians as well as the African-related articles that Efekadu is consistently finding WCF-related sock activity in. The SPI invesitigation can be found here.
Here are the user contributions from the IP editors in that investivation:
[433], [434]
The first editor does edits related to Fula people, Mandinka, Maasai, etc. The second editor makes edits related to Afroasiatic people, including a lot of reverts of WorldCreaterFighter (which IMO is either GHBH sockpuppetry, ala Whhu22 or perhaps evidence in favor of Austronesier's assertion that Vamlos is not the same person as WCF).
Try filing for Vamlos. - Hunan201p (talk) 16:33, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

  • Ostensibly Red X Unrelated, but due to extensive proxy use,  Inconclusive  Behavioural evidence needs evaluation is more like it. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:17, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • This account has been checked twice, with no results. I don't see behavioral comparison going much further. no Closing without action. For any future report, please, include links to diffs, not just indirect mentions through dates or account names. MarioGom (talk) 10:58, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

12 December 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

These three editors can be linked to each other based on linguistic clues. The link with WorldCreaterFighter comes from an IP that lies within the range of many WCF IP socks.

The first clue is the use of "hypothese" for "hypothesis" in these edit summaries:

I have seen this several times with WCF socks, but on a quick search could only find this diff from an IP located in Austria:

Another mistake (which is admittedly quite common among non-native English speakers who can't distinguish /ɛ/ and /æ/) is the use of "than" instead of "then":

  • @BaiulyQz: Than you claim the citation I presented was not part of my edit![438]
  • @BaiulyQz: I used my talk page to copy the previous wordings, read the references and than edit accordingly to make the paragraphs more balanced.[439]
  • @Jäkke34: Than, recently a user included two paragraphs[440]
  • @Rimisibaqwa: Than we should apply a more balanced way if presenting these theories (in the edit summary)[441]

Further, @Jäkke34 and @Rimisibaqwa added similar content to Uralic-related pages which in both cases was not supported by the sources, i.e. a mention of "Western Siberian hunter-gathers", an archeogenetic ancestry that was first described in 2019, but the two suspected socks use citations from papers predating 2019 which naturally cannot refer to "Western Siberian hunter-gathers". To err is human, but this very idiosyncratic error seems to have been made by the same human:

Finally, the overall edit range is classic WorldCreaterFighter terrain: the genetic history of ethnic groups, this time with focus on Central Asians and Uralic-speaking peoples. Austronesier (talk) 20:23, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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24 February 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

NOTE: On good advice from Austronesier I have re-filed this case at Vamlos: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Vamlos

However I also erroneously filed a case at DerekHistorian. This should be closed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/DerekHistorian

My apologies to everyone for this mess. - Hunan201p (talk) 20:02, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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@Hunan201p: Please refile this under User:Vamlos. Or maybe a clerk can move this SPI there. The UK IP-based LTA was split out from this case. –Austronesier (talk) 19:44, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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24 March 2024

Suspected sockpuppets

Certain that Saouirse is a missed sleeper account of WorldCreaterFighter from 2022.

  • Account created a week after WCF's other socks were blocked.
  • Immediately started making edits to articles related to East Asian and Eurasian genetics and genetic theory, two very specific topics that WCF focuses on.
  • Similar edit summaries to WCF's socks, including addressing editors in general or throwing questions out there.

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  • I don't think this is WorldCreaterFighter, and there's not enough evidence to draw a connection anyway. I will note that Saouirse edits logged out almost all the time, it seems as though they only log in to edit semiprotected articles. While their account has intersected with WorldCreaterFighter's interests in genetics, their logged-out edits paint a significantly different picture, and they geolocate to a different continent from the WCF ranges we know about anyway. They aren't doing anything that violates the policy as far as I can see, so I'm going to move on.
However, while looking through our notes on this case for data to compare, I found the following account very  Likely:
Besides having all the same interests as WorldCreaterFighter, this account is using a small IP range that WCF has frequently used in the past, as well as a series of proxies. They were also created very soon after a previous set of socks were blocked, and they've resumed the arguments of previously confirmed accounts in at least a few instances. They also started to edit logged out again when a long-term block on that IP range expired recently. They're as close to confirmed as we can get given the amount of time that has passed, and the account is now blocked. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:05, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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