Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Kurmaa

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• Kurmaa (talk · contribs · logs)

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Kurmaa, who has been around Wikipedia for some time but has only recently begun to participate in depth, is showing some difficulty in conforming to talk page guidelines outlined at WP:TALK. In a number of cases, it's disruptive. This behavior is occurring amid disagreement at articles related to Kamrup, including Kamrupi dialect, Kamarupi Prakrit, Ahom kingdom, and Kamrupi; it seems that Kurmaa has a fringe viewpoint on the matter but is not actually contributing to resolving disputes in any clear way.

Desired outcome

For the disruptive behavior to stop. It would be ideal if Kurmaa could learn how to collaborate with other users, show a responsiveness to evidence that contradicts his viewpoint, and utilize the talk page as a way to improve article content. A combination of imperfect English skills, a fringe viewpoint, and stubbornness means this will take some patience from a mentor. Patience that I don't have. An alternate choice might be some sort of topic ban, though Kurmaa so far has been pretty restricted in editing articles related to Kamrup so a topic ban might be equivalent to a general Wikipedia ban.

Description

Kurmaa posts the same thread in multiple forums

• There's this message about a "ranghar image"[1][2][3].
• And this post about "Lower Assam" being derogatory.[4][5]
• Recently, he even reposted parts of a thread from the same talk page, seemingly to get more attention.

Kurmaa misrepresents others' posts

• At Talk:Kamarupi Prakrit, he requested (repeatedly[6][7]) a certain piece of information from Chaipau. Since it seemed irrelevant (and neither of us had the information anyway), I asked why he was requesting it. He refused to say. When we didn't give him the information, he went around to editors' talk pages to bother them about it, covering up his misrepresentations through a lack of diffs and anonymous references to myself and Chaipau.[8][9][10][11][12] Kurmaa even went so far as to continually post on one editor's talk page after they'd expressed that they were not interested.[13][14][15][16]
• In another instance, Kurmaa accused Chaipau and myself of acting in bad faith by "teaming up" to perpetuate something he disagreed with.[17]

Kurmaa seems to provide threats to others

• At Talk:Ahom kingdom, he accused Chaipau of falsifying a map featured on the article (don't be confused by Kurmaa's difficulty with English. When he says "plagiarism" he means original research), despite a source clearly given. In addition to making reference to a formal complaint at that talk page[18][19][20]. He then went to the talk pages of several editors to ask how to formally complain[21][22]. Note here that he acknowledges that he has gotten this answer (on August 7) but did not make any effort to utilize dispute resolution. Instead, he began asking a similar question about "independent varification"[23][24], which makes it seem as though he only wants to use the cloud of such formal investigations as a threat rather than as a method of actual dispute resolution.
• In regards to the exchange mentioned above at Kamarupi Prakrit, Kurmaa cited the Freedom of Information Act, several times[25][26], believing it gives me a legal obligation to provide him with information he requests. He has been making reference to deadlines to myself and Chaipau[27][28]

Kurmaa is disruptive in Wikipedia space:

• He has put talk comments on article pages[29][30][31][32]

• He has edit warred at Kamarupi Prakrit[33][34][35] and Kamrupi[36][37][38][39]

• He has made assertions that have serious WP:V issues ([40]). When it was pointed out that his assertions have no factual basis ([41]), he choose to ignore them and raised provocative (and unrelated) issues regarding women ([42]). At such points it becomes impossible to maintain WP:AGF, or to continue a collaborative dialogue.

Kurmaa has employed confirmed WP:SOCKs: User:Pranjitb, User:Mussal, User:130.65.109.101

• The sockpuppet is confirmed here.

All of this comes with a fringe point of view not backed up by facts or sources. This talk page comment seems to sum up his views. Edits he disagrees with or that he doesn't think fairly portray Kamrupi people are "ethnocentric." There's also this absurd claim that a source is unreliable because its author is a cheat (a thoroughly unsubstantiated accusation).

Evidence of disputed behavior

Provided above

Applicable policies and guidelines

• WP:TALK
• WP:AGF
• WP:POINT
• WP:FRINGE
• WP:NLT

Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute

Attempts by Aeusoes1

• August 15
• August 22

Attempts by Chaipau

• July 16
• August 15

Other attempts

Users certifying the basis for this dispute

{Users who tried and failed to resolve the dispute}

1. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]} 21:33, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
2. Chaipau (talk) 13:20, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Other users who endorse this summary

1. Lachitbarphukan (talk) 11:00, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
2. White Ash (talk) 05:06, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Outside view by Go Phightins!

My view is that the user, at times, is clearly acting in good faith, but as mentioned may have some English issues and is frustrated. I would support a week-long topic ban followed by a mentorship program where he/she can learn about edit warring, the three revert rule, etc. I know of a few specific users who may be able to mentor Kurmaa, but it is clear his edits are disruptive and something needs to be done to stop this disruption. Go Phightins! (talk) 23:38, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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1. Go Phightins! (talk) 23:38, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
2. SpaceBetween2| (talk) Proviso being if you do 2 reverts in one day, 1 revert the next and 3 the next then you are not gaming the system or invoking the 3RR rule. How do you make a proper CURequest like this one is? What does # do versus *? I need help on the syntax and machinations of wiki, from direct advise, as often the pages that are supposed to explain require prerequiste knowledge or blatantly dont tell you the exact steps needed to make x.

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Hey how did you make this request? where Can I find a guide about creating RFC and citing diffs in a CURequest, and other such stuff?? I go to pages on wiki but they say nothing of the code you need to make this detailed, they dont explain how to list a page on the "candidate" etc.

User is indef blocked for sockpuppetry and never responded to the above, so it is being closed as stale. In the even the should be unblocked, this RFC could be re-opened to permit him to address the community's concerns. MBisanz ^talk 19:01, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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