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The result of the discussion was keep. Jay 💬 18:14, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Moira Sullivan (Smallville) → Smallville season 6  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:16, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• While not directly mentioned with the surname, the character Moira is mentioned at Smallville season 6#ep128, though only appears in that one episode. The character's name in full is listed at Lynda Carter#Filmography and Superman (franchise)#Recurring cast, so I would suggest retarget to that episode description or to Lynda Carter's article, though leaning closer to the episode description as it does offer more details on this character and Carter's role than the other two sections do. Trailblazer101 (talk) 21:26, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep per Trailblazer101, as the character is mentioned at the target. Given the disambiguator it makes more sense to target the TV season article than the other suggested targets. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 08:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  It is worth discussion where the (currently salted due to someone else with the same name) Moira Sullivan should point, though. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:59, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) asilvering (talk) 01:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Linda Baldwin (Coronation Street) → List of Coronation Street characters (1998)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:30, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Linda Baldwin is an alternative name for Linda Sykes listed at the target article. While the name was updated at some point in the list (it used to say Baldwin), the redirect was not. Now updated. Ooh, Fruity (talk) 11:28, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep, maybe refine target to the Linda Sykes section. This didn't need to be relisted. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 08:44, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) asilvering (talk) 01:22, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Jeez → wiktionary:Special:Search/jeez  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

When I nominated this title in 2015 (Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 September 12#Jeez), the result was "delete", even though I had suggested redirecting to the Wiktionary page, which existed when I created the discussion in 2015. Of course, this does not make this redirect eligible for WP:G4 since the redirect did not target Wiktionary back then, but no participants, besides myself, had voted for retargeting to Wiktionary. For this reason, I'm bringing this up for discussion to see if the redirect should be re-deleted, kept in its current form, or something else. (For consistency's sake, I support the previous consensus ... "delete".) Steel1943 (talk) 21:18, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep; seems harmless enough and gets you to the right target. I'm unsure why Wiktionary lists "Jeez" as an alternate spelling of "Geez", and then turns around and defines "Geez" as a minced oath for "Jesus"-- the minced oath part is correct, but I'd think that "Jeez" would be the primary spelling, given it's closer to the spelling of "Jesus". Maybe "Geez" is older or something?

Interestingly enough, Geez actually redirects to Ge'ez, aka Classical Ethiopian, with not a single mention of a minced oath (though it does hatnote to Geez (magazine).) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 01:11, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: As long as Template talk:Wiktionary redirect is extant, I see no reason to delete this. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:51, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:02, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Superhero landing → Superhero film  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Page has no (non-tangentially) relevant content. If someone can find a page that talks about these then I'd support a retarget, but for now, I'm leaning delete. Aaron Liu (talk) 23:03, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - I'm most familiar with the term from the Deadpool films but none of our series of related articles mentions this, and it's not specific enough to this franchise for a {{R without mention}}. The phrase appears in Carrot and Stick, an episode of Better Call Saul, but doesn't describe what it is at all. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 08:43, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Carrot and stick? I don't think reliable sources analyzed the title. Aaron Liu (talk) 10:56, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  No, Carrot and Stick (capital S). The phrase is quoted in a description of a stunt performed on the TV show. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 11:43, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Yes, I know, but I don't think reliable sources analyzed that part to be about the expression, and we have a link to the expression anyways. Aaron Liu (talk) 12:34, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete WP:REDLINK someone can write an article on the stereotypical landing position found in comic books for superheros -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 10:06, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to I Love You. (non-admin closure) Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 18:25, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I luv u → Anitta's anal tattoo#Author and content  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

With multiple pages on the I Love You page that spell love as "luv", someone's anal tattoo is certainly not the primary topic for a shortened version of the most common phrase in the English language. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 22:48, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to I Love You. This is clearly not the main use of the term. There are also entries on that page with this spelling. Kk.urban (talk) 02:31, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to I Love You: per nom and Kk.urban; not the primary topic for this exact term. Skynxnex (talk) 21:30, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget as per all above, tag as alternate spelling. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:07, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) Toadette^Edit! 17:57, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Heil mein Führer! → Nazi salute  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Already exists in a similar form at Heil, mein Fuhrer!, not sure if this iteration would be useful. Deauthorized. ^(talk) 16:08, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per WP:CHEAP. This version hasn't been around long enough to establish much pageview history, but the version with comma has been around since 2015. That one scored 7 pageviews in all of 2023. Still, this version isn't obviously harmful and so I don't see why it should be deleted. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 16:32, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Ivanvector. It is plausible that someone could omit the comma. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 23:08, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Both versions are basically accurate. Kk.urban (talk) 02:29, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per WP:CHEAP; this obviously goes to the correct location, and I don't see people listing the twenty variations of Two all beef patties special sauce lettuce cheese pickles onions on a sesame seed bun. (Save for that one variant that excludes the spaces.) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:18, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: The redirect, with or without the comma, is literally the same slogan. HarukaAmaranth ^春_香 14:10, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: The creator of the page was CU blocked. I can see now this would pass RfD per redirects being cheap, but it should probably be deleted under G5. Deauthorized. ^(talk) 21:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  This redirect is also helpful, and we shouldn't delete redirects that would otherwise be kept just because they were created by a malicious user. Aaron Liu (talk) 22:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was deleted by Primefac. ✗plicit 14:47, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Windows 8.3 → Windows 10  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Non-existent version of Windows, in fact, Windows 8.2 doesn't exist either. Not the first time this happens, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 5#Draft:Windows 8.4 and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 16#Draft:Windows 8.25 for previous speedy deletes. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 13:53, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Only Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 exist. There is an 8.3 filename page you could retarget this to if you really wanted to as it is from Windows but I don't think that would be helpful. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 19:40, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: This is not a thing and therefore an extremely improbable search term. TarnishedPath^talk 06:29, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment The creator of this redirect has just been final warned creating inappropriate pages. Perhapsa mass deleted under WP:G3 is in order..-- Deepfriedokra (talk) 21:08, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  That's what I tagged it as initially, before sending it to RfD. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:15, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: per all of the above.-- Deepfriedokra (talk) 21:08, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:46, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Ten News First Late → 10 Late News  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Ten Late News and Sports Tonight → 10 Late News  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Inaccurate names inconsistent with current and former usage. Particularly the combination of "Ten Late News and Sports Tonight", in reality a branded sports segment within the main program. – Nick Mitchell 98 ^talk 13:11, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 12:02, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Death is a preferable alternative to communism → Fallout 3  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This isn't mentioned in the slightest in the target article. I assume it's a game quote but given the total lack of sourcing, a redirect such as this is confusing and should be deleted. Try Wikiquote instead. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:18, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

it's a quote in the game, popular among people who think it "goes hard" and love missing the point and context of lines like this. plenty of hits, though, i won't deny

my opinion mirrors that of the gorbino's quest rfd a few days ago. keep if a mention can be made, weak delete otherwise

for possible sources, i uhhhh

found this? not gonna comment on its reliability because i'm not a fallout nerd (yet) cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:37, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This is indeed a quote from Liberty Prime, a giant robot who throws full-size nuclear bombs like footballs while spouting off anti-communist propaganda slogans. Given Liberty Prime is afforded all of one sentence in this article (merely attesting to its existence and role in the story), it's probably safe to delete this. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:40, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Compared to "War, war never changes", it's far less known. Neocorelight (Talk) 15:01, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:03, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Extinct World → Adventure Time: Fionna and Cake#ep8  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I noticed several redirects at RfD disambiguated with Extinct World - The Lich, BMO, Ice King, Gunter, etc., and wanted to know what this is. However, this too turned out to be a redirect which led to an episode which had no information about the term.

The episode plot has a link to Finn the Human and Jake the Dog which has a mention of extinction of all life, but this too is insufficient to justify a redirect like Extinct World which is a generic term (not considering the caps). Delete. Jay 💬 05:32, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Per Jay. The name "Extinct World" is fan-dubbed and is not ever mentioned in the show; even if it was, I doubt the notability and necessity of the supposed redirect and it may too trivial. I believe the name is too general and it is totally possible that it can refer to something more notable. Delete. - George6VI (talk) 00:14, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:46, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:WikiProject Animals in Media → Wikipedia:WikiProject Animals in media  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

XNR to non-template. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:46, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Cotton lisle. (non-admin closure) Toadette^Edit! 17:54, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Fil d'Ecosse → Mercerisation  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Created with the edit summary of "red". Might've been a solution to a red link at the time? No pages link to this title, and neither "fil" nor "ecosse" appear at the target article. Apparently an alternate language, the only mention of "fil d'ecosse" on Wikipedia is as a cotton variation, i.e. Cotton lisle, or "fil d'ecosse cotton". Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:10, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment the term is written in French, so if borrowed back into English, that would make sense if it originated in the French city of Lille (Lisle). This cotton thread is mercerised (gone through mercerisation),[1][2] a process invented by John Mercer, someone of Scottish heritage [3] . This "Fil d'Ecosse" == Scottish thread. Also seems to be used in Scottish cotton goods. So, the correct target would seem to be Cotton lisle. Cotton lisle needs updating to mention mercization [4] -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 04:58, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Cotton lisle, where the term is at least mentioned, though that article could indeed do with being expanded. Also note that there is another redirect Fil d'Écosse (with correct French capitalisation of the diacritic) created at the same time as this one and that should be kept in sync with it. Rosbif73 (talk) 08:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Retarget to Cotton lisle per above. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 02:36, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Glossary of mathematical jargon#factor through. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:04, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Factor through → Fundamental theorem on homomorphisms  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Neither "factor" nor "through" are mentioned at the target article. Hypothetically this seems to be much more plausible as a redirect to Factoring or Factorization, but even then this may not be incredibly necessary for either... Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 21:55, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Factoring through" is a mathematical English idiom for situations in which the Fundamental theorem on homomorphisms applies. See, e.g. [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11] (one site but many users); it likely also appears in standard abstract algebra texts, e.g. Dummit and Foote, or Lang; and some quick Ctrl+F's show that Pete Clark's expositions use the term, although never with a clear definition. It is certainly unfortunate that this usage does not appear on the current target, although I think this is a flaw in that page and not the redirect.

I do not think Factoring or Factorization are appropriate retargets. Those appear to mainly discuss decompositions as some sort of explicit product, which cannot in general be done for quotient objects (unless you count a short exact sequence as a "product"). Moreover, they focus on integers and polynomials. If I have ever heard the phrase "factor through" applied to numbers, I do not remember it. On the other hand, I may have heard distribution in polynomial arithmetic described that way.

A less surprising target might be Glossary of mathematical jargon § factor through, although I personally find that target less useful (for one thing, the phrase is hardly restricted to "category theory"; for another, the definition fails to make the connection to the Fundamental Theorem explicit). Bernanke's Crossbow (talk) 23:49, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Retarget to Glossary of mathematical jargon § factor through and expand the definition there as necessary. Rosbif73 (talk) 14:28, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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