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The result of the discussion was delete. As an unopposed deletion nomination. Jay 💬 07:39, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Trevor Parscal → Wikimedia Foundation  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unmentioned at the target (and currently anywhere on wikipedia). Unless context can be added, the redirect should be deleted. TartarTorte 21:29, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 20:52, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Vips → VIPS  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Redirect to Very important person per WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 15#Vip. 176.88.80.215 (talk) 20:14, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose: I don't think this is the same situation as the previous discussion. There were no lowercase versions of "Vip" at the DAB in that discussion whereas there's two entries that include "Vips" with a leading capital and the rest lowercase at VIPS. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:39, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: The VIPS DAB covers both VIPS and Vips, with Jüri Vips being at the page, so this seems valid to me. TartarTorte 21:30, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep since the "S" isn't an initial for anything if this proposal occurs. Steel1943 (talk) 02:07, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep – Article titles are typically singular, so it's far more likely for someone searching "vips" to search for "VIPS" than for the plural of "VIP". "VIPS" itself was deemed as having no primary topic, and "Vips"/"vips" isn't different enough to be any different. It's far less plausible for someone searching for "vips" to mean Very important person than it is for singular "vip". Also the previous discussion's DAB did have a pair of articles that were referred to as "Vip", though they weren't as notable as the primary meaning of "VIP" Randi Moth (talk) 13:55, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:15, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Lu Wuxuan → Roh Moo-hyun  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Appears to be Mandarin transliteration, see WP:RLOTE 747pilot (talk) 18:12, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I can confirm that this is a Mandarin transliteration. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:11, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:15, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Jin Dazhong → Kim Dae-jung  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is a Mandarin transliteration of Kim Dae-Jung's name, should be deleted per WP:RLOTE 747pilot (talk) 18:11, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I can confirm that this is a Mandarin transliteration. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:11, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:14, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Omilana → 2021 London mayoral election#Other parties and candidates  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Surname-only redirect to an entry in an election results table, representing a person whose standalone WP:BLP was deleted at AFD in February. Surnames are not unique to one specific person, so should not be commandeered to represent one person like this, especially if the person hasn't actually been properly established as notable in the first place. Bearcat (talk) 18:04, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Omilana but recreate Niko Omilana as a redirect to the same target, as that would be more helpful. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs) 10:13, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 19:29, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• University of Chinese People → Renmin University of China  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Ambiguous search term which could refer to any Chinese university in Category:Universities and colleges in China. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:51, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep "Renmin" means "people" in Chinese, so this redirect is a literal translation of the university's name.Aaron Liu (talk) 17:30, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  It's a modification of the name from what I'm reading. The name "People's University of China" is less ambiguous and not the same as "University of Chinese People". Hey man im josh (talk) 17:41, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep as a plausible mistranslation. "中国人民大学" could be literally translated this way ("Chinese people" for 中国人民, "university" for 大学), and some searching suggests that it occasionally is[1][2]. I'm not convinced by the concern about ambiguity – I don't think this is a likely search term for information about Chinese universities in general. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:06, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep plausible mistranslation, for example, you can find "University of Chinese People Press" in this book. Mucube (talk • contribs) 22:31, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Abortion in Ohio. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 19:28, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Ohio abortion → 2022 Ohio child-rape and Indiana abortion case  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

At the time this redirect was created, the target article was titled "2022 Ohio abortion" [3], but even then it wasn't the most appropriate target, as Abortion in Ohio has existed for a long time and is about a much more general topic. I suggest a retarget to Abortion in Ohio. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 16:51, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Abortion in Ohio: Per nom. Abortion in Ohio is a more logical target. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:53, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per nom. I will note that Abortion_in_Ohio#See_also contains a link to the current target, so people searching under that title will still have some connection to this article. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 17:02, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per nom. WP:TENYEARTEST. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:09, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget - Retarget to Abortion in Ohio. --Jax 0677 (talk) 16:16, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:13, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Part out → Wrecking yard  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Ambiguous search term. To part out is to reuse components parts of a system and that's done across a variety of industries and products. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:47, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete people do this all the time by themselves without needing a junk yard -- 65.92.244.151 (talk) 23:27, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 19:27, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Picante → Pungency  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

May or may not qualify for deletion per WP:RFOREIGN. The subject is not ostensibly related to the Spanish language, although a previous discussion did elect to keep redirects like "fútbol" due to the connection between association football and the Spanish-speaking world, which I suppose could also apply here. An anonymous username, not my real name 16:37, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep – used often enough as a loan word in English that it's worth a redirect. Examples: "The result was a very picante dish", "a very picante chili sauce", "½ cup very picante homemade salsa", "A very picante dish", "it will be very picante", "quite aromatic and very, very picante", "I love this dish. It's picante; to tame it, cut back on the serrano". —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 23:48, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I thought that 'picante' was a Spanish loan word referring to a food's spiciness. Searching through google pulls up several online English dictionaries with entries for 'picante' as well. The redirect is appropriate. ― Synpath 23:53, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep its a loanword into English, thus an English-language word (in American English at least) -- 65.92.244.151 (talk) 17:33, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:00, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Michigan Business → Ross School of Business  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Ambiguous term which could refer to a number of subjects, such as those listed at List of Michigan companies. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:17, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete search results preferable here. Skynxnex (talk) 18:11, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) {{ping|ClydeFranklin}} (t/c) 16:35, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Inode/directory → Directory (computing)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:44, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to inode (my preference, I think) or File system#Directories. Skynxnex (talk) 18:28, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete What does "inode/directory" mean? In file systems in which directory entries, instead of containing all information about the file or directory to which they refer, point to an item in a collection of items that contain that information, one of those items - whether called an inode or not - can refer to a directory, and directory entries refer to those items, but they're separate concepts, and I don't see what a combination of the names for the two concepts, with a slash between them, would mean. Guy Harris (talk) 20:49, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Now that we know what "inode/directory" means, and now that "Not mentioned in target." has been fixed, there's a reason to keep it, and have it point to the page for file system directories. Guy Harris (talk) 07:24, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete WP:SUBPAGE locations should not be used in mainspace -- 65.92.244.151 (talk) 17:39, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep – The redirect is properly tagged as {{R from media type}}. "inode/directory" is indeed the media type used for directories in Unix systems^[1]. The slash is neither used as a subpage nor as a natural "OR", but as a separator between a type and a sub-type. It's not ambiguous and the target is correct. Randi Moth (talk) 06:20, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A mention of the media type has been added to the target article. Randi Moth (talk) 07:14, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Wahpeton, Iowa. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:21, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Wahpeton Recreation → Wahpeton  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

A very old redirect, but now ambiguous and unhelpful Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:33, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• It was merged to Wahpeton, Iowa, so should be retargeted there. Jay 💬 07:29, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to their respective entries in List of Wiktionaries. (non-admin closure) {{ping|ClydeFranklin}} (t/c) 16:48, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Tamil Wiktionary → Wiktionary  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Irish Wiktionary → Wiktionary  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Kurdish Wiktionary → Wiktionary  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

These wiktionaries are not mentioned at all at the target article. TartarTorte 14:14, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to List of Wiktionaries, where they are mentioned. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:23, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to List of Wiktionaries per Mx. Granger. That is the most sensible outcome. BD2412 T 14:37, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) eviolite (talk) 14:18, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Beida → Peking University  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

It is unclear why "Beida" redirects here. It's only mentioned in the notes, but is ambiguous with other uses at Beyda Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:13, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep – On a search in Google Books, the majority of results use it as a synonymous name for the Peking University (short for Beijing Daxue, apparently). Most other results refer to the Arabic surname "Beida", though there doesn't seem to be anyone notable with that surname. It seems safe to assume that the university is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the redirect, and the Bayda DAB page is already linked in the hatnote. However, the lead section of the university's article could be expanded to include the shortened name, and the Bayda DAB page seems to be missing several pages that have Beida could refer to. Randi Moth (talk) 13:26, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Randi Moth. The term should be added to the target article. Even Britannica mentions the nickname in the opening sentence. Wiktionary has an entry. Politrukki (talk) 13:58, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as one of the most common abbreviations for Peking University. I've added it to the target. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:29, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, very commonly used abbreviations of "Beijing Daxue" in Chinese. Mucube (talk • contribs) 22:28, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. There is a rough consensus that this is a plausible typo, and no clear argument for how the redirect is harmful beyond being "unnecessary". _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:24, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Chesss → Chess  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This redirect is a typo, not a misspelling (cf. Finalnd, Isalm, Rcie). Mast303 (talk) 23:55, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy keep: This is a completely plausible typo for one to make. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis ❄️ 23:59, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Help readers learn to spell. Otherwise the precedent is numerous "plausible typo" redirects for every article on WP. --IHTS (talk) 00:49, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh no. What horror. Save a few clicks here and there. Add a minuscule maintenance burden. It's the end of the world. We've allowed {{R from misspelling}}s since ever, by the way – fearmongering over potential precedent when it comes to redirects is just that; it hasn't resulted in a sizeable proportion of the set of redirects that would be adjudged plausible typos being created. The way the redirect process currently works on en.wp is that redirects are judged upon their individual merits, and this redirect is fairly obviously helpful – all that redirects are created to be. J947 † ^edits 05:22, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • The triviality of this, including your energy to create a specifically sarcastic reply, is beyond comprehension. But if it gives you a sense of meaning & purpose, you go for it! --IHTS (talk) 02:21, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      • Some argument, this. J947 † ^edits 04:59, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as well-used. J947 † ^edits 05:22, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete If you type "c-h-e-s-s-s-s" in Wikipedia's search bar (or "c-h-e-s-s-s" if it wasn't a redirect), it will show you "Chess" as the top choice. There is no need for this sort of typo redirect. Grorp (talk) 02:28, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • FTR, the reader might just immediately enter without realising their mistake (which is where all those pageviews seem to come from), or not use the search bar at all. J947 † ^edits 04:59, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete. Unnecessary, though not completely implausible. CycloneYoris ^talk! 02:26, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. I don't think 850 hits in 7 years is well-used, but redirects for typos aren't a burden in any way. -- Mikeblas (talk) 20:21, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. When I first saw this redirect, I thought it was a misspelling for Cheese. Steel1943 (talk) 05:35, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Are you mistaking this redirect for Chesse, which was put up for discussion a few months prior? Randi Moth (talk) 14:10, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't know if this is a serious comment or a funny comment, but either way, I laughed. (Assuming it was serious, the redirect I saw was the nominated redirect, and thus the one I'm referring to. But wow, the other one ... quite possibly, but I must have not been looking at it when it was posted.) Steel1943 (talk) 16:04, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment – Note that the prior point about entering "chessss" leading to Chess comes from Chess srategy and tactics being a redirect to the article that contains the letters "c-h-e-s-s-s-s" in sequential order. Since that redirect no longer points to Chess, the article no longer comes up in a search for "chessss". Though that Chess srategy and tactics redirect itself may be considered an implausible typo and the target of Chess strategy and tactics may be an unnecessary disambiguation page (that would likely be dealt with as WP:XY if it was a redirect), this is out of the scope of the current discussion. Nonetheless, Chess games pointing to Chess should mean that searching for "Chesss" will make Chess come up on top even without Chesss. Randi Moth (talk) 17:19, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep a simple reduplication error of a single character is a very common type of typo misspelling. Unlike "chessss" which has two reduplications, which is much less common. -- 65.92.244.151 (talk) 17:42, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Plausible typos are a legitimate use of redirects. Barnards.tar.gz (talk) 11:18, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep: I'm not aware of any Wikipedia policy against typos in redirects in article space, or any that differentiate between typos and misspellings. WP:POFR explicitly says "Likely misspellings" are one of the purposes of redirects, and I would say that "Chesss" is a likely misspelling/typo of "Chess". Edderiofer (talk) 10:44, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Magi. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:20, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Magianism → Zoroastrianism  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention at the target. I think it refers to the magi, but this does not seem to be one of the names used to designate Zoroastrianism so it is an unhelpful redirect.

Therefore, I propose deletion. Veverve (talk) 21:11, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• The OED defines this as an obsolete term for [t]he doctrine of the magi, so it makes sense to retarget it to Magi. – Uanfala (talk) 13:34, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Delete or retarget?
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• Perusing through Google Books confirms it to be an older term as mentioned by Uanfala. The authors seem split on whether it is synonymous with Zoroastrianism or something different, however. Given the OED definition, I think retargeting is appropriate but with a hatnote to the current target. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:46, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Retarget with or without a hatnote?
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• Comment: I would not oppose the proposed retarget. Veverve (talk) 10:23, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 14:03, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Windsor, New York (disambiguation) → Windsor  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Disambiguation redirect not required. Primary topic Windsor, New York has a hatnote to the only other use, Windsor (village), New York. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:27, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Nothing in article space links to it, and it's unnecessary per nom. -- Mikeblas (talk) 19:52, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Agreed, not useful. Barnards.tar.gz (talk) 11:22, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 13:58, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Windsor, Wisconsin (disambiguation) → Windsor  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete: Windsor, Wisconsin is not ambiguous. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:22, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Not finding another Windsor in Wisconsin, thus making the disambiguation unnecessary. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:55, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete There was a village and a town called Windsor when the redirect was created, but the two merged in 2015. As there is no longer a distinction, the disambiguation is no longer needed. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 02:22, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Royal Montserrat Defence Force. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:27, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Army of Montserrat → Montserrat  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Possibly retarget to Royal Montserrat Defence Force (the closet possible meaning), otherwise delete. Montserrat has no "army" to speak of, and having this retarget to an article about the territory in general is not helpful. An anonymous username, not my real name 04:34, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak retarget to Royal Montserrat Defence Force: Per nom's argument. It's not an army by strict definition but gives the reader some explanation on the defense situation of Montserrat. TartarTorte 14:58, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per above – Royal Montserrat Defence Force has the information the reader is most likely looking for if they search for this term. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:31, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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