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February 28

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on February 28, 2023.

Mark and Avoid

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 9#Mark and Avoid

Vince McFadden and other people not mentioned at the same target

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. While there was a comment about a possible merge that was never done, there didn't appear to be any content (outside of redirect related content) at any of the proposed articles and there was otherwise a clear delete consensus. Barkeep49 (talk) 21:31, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No mention at the target. I propose deletion. Veverve (talk) 21:50, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • The first four of these were originally each one-sentence articles (unsourced) and when redirected they were mentioned, see [1] (since the section is "Current leadership" presumably they were removed once they were no-longer current). The Schoenheit redirect was created much later, and at the time it was created there was mention in the given section [2] but this whole section was removed around two years later in this edit [3]. Delete all I think. Especially the Schoenheit one, but any could be recreated if mention were added back and is justified. A7V2 (talk) 22:43, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I've not been following developments with this church but WP:RS say that there was a sex scandal that led to the break up of the church" Nelson's Illustrated Guide to Religion James A. Beverley · 2009 "... the controversial sect founded by Victor P. Wierwille. In October 1986 prominent Way researcher John Schoenheit was fired for writing a paper on “Adultery and Fornication” in which he defended traditional Christian teaching." Encyclopedia of Cults and New Religions John Ankerberg, ‎John Weldon · 1999 "They all agree that moral standards in the Way are consistent with Wierwille's theology . ... The paper was branded as “ slipshod research ” and " handling the Word deceitfully , " and Schoenheit was fired , along with others for their .." etc. Rather than worrying about the redirects, which don't seem of much importance, someone with some expertise in church articles should review what was deleted and why. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:31, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all. Softlavender (talk)
  • All were redirected with summary redirect to The Way International per merge agreement with main contributors, information already at that article but I could not find a merge agreement or who the main contributors were. Jay 💬 11:10, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Christian Biblical Council

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 19#Christian Biblical Council

Torah-submission

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 7#Torah-submission

Pharaoh in Islam

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 7#Pharaoh in Islam

Cut & paste (music genre)

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 10:18, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The term is nowhere mentioned in the target article (and it should not lead to such list article at all) Solidest (talk) 21:07, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Trance metal

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 10:16, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The object is not an aka and is not mentioned in the target article. Solidest (talk) 20:44, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Elizabeth the Great

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 7#Elizabeth the Great

Branches of Christianity

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 7#Branches of Christianity

Music Channel

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 10:09, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ambiguous term for which there are a lot of potential targets. Doesn't seem appropriate to target MTV Japan. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:54, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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"Upcoming" no longer upcoming

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The result of the discussion was delete. There is no reasonable possibility that further discussion will overcome the substantial consensus for deletion. BD2412 T 00:10, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No longer upcoming. Steel1943 (talk) 14:54, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is a common (albeit incorrect) interpretation that WP:NFF confers an instant notability freebie on all upcoming films the moment it's possible to source that principal photography has commenced on the production. That's not what NFF is actually saying, but editors have long interpreted it that way nonetheless to the point that there are literally hundreds or even thousands of articles about as yet unreleased films. You're correct that most upcoming films shouldn't have articles — NFF is for highly anticipated meganotables that get a ton of production coverage, like Marvel or Star Wars films, not just for every single film that enters the production pipeline at all — but as things currently stand, far too many upcoming films do have articles nonetheless, and some tightening up of the rules may be needed. Bearcat (talk) 13:30, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Procedural relist to merge all related nominations from this day.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 17:45, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Nigerian fortune tellers

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The result of the discussion was delete. Although sending to AfD was considered an option, it was determined that nothing in the page history is usable. Jay 💬 14:58, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Misleading redirect. There are no fortune tellers from Nigeria mentioned at the target. This redirect was previously a stub which was BLARred in 2019. CycloneYoris talk! 07:22, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - Best to vacate the title and let the search engine handle it.
Looking at the history, it seems to have been made to push a Christian POV against the practice. The earliest revision justifies distinguishing Nigerian fortune tellers from Western ones by noting that the former sell their services, but there are many who sell their services in the West (they even sell remote same-day readings and rituals on Etsy) so this distinction is unwarranted. There are certainly culturally-specific facets to the topic but I as I understand it these aspects extend to West Africa in general and aren't just a Nigerian phenomenon (eg. see Modern witch-hunts § Africa regarding "witch doctors", a term used by the blanked article as a synonym). – Scyrme (talk) 15:20, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Timothytyy (talk) 11:14, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: A mention of Nigeria has been added to the target.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 15:39, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The target also mentions Saudi Arabia, New Zealand, and New York in a similar context. Doesn't mean Saudi fortune tellers, New Zealander fortune tellers, and New Yorker fortune tellers warrant redirects; this is no different. If the suggested target were a List of Nigerian fortune tellers, then the redirect would be warranted, but it's a broad topic article, and one that largely doesn't focus on national matters outside a handful of examples regarding legality where the mention of Nigeria is brief. – Scyrme (talk) 16:59, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Apocrypha (fiction)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 14#Apocrypha (fiction)

Microbear

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 16#Microbear

Street arab

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The result of the discussion was keep. Legoktm (talk) 03:51, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all as confusing; they seem to only exist because of the title of a book briefly mentioned at the target. An anonymous username, not my real name 04:02, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

They seem ok to me, non-neutral synonyms, see wikt:street Arab Drapetomanic (talk) 04:20, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep per Drapetomanic. My only objection would be that potentially it's confusing not having any mention (apart from the book title), but that isn't uncommon in redirects from non-neutral synonyms. A7V2 (talk) 04:50, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 09:39, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more go.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 14:59, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Imal Liyanage (cricketer, born 1977)

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The result of the discussion was restore and send to AfD. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:48, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Recommend delete. Can be confused for another cricketer of the same name & origin, born 1994, and if deleted can result in deletion/no need for this disambiguation page for only these 2 individuals. Per the redirect talk page (albeit w/ unsigned messages), he played 1 match for the target team but had no source as a WP:BLP &/or WP:NCRIC article previously; it seems rather unlikely anyone is trying to find Matara team this way. KatPro (mrow?) 21:10, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • In general terms, retain the redirect. Redirection in cases such as this is a reasonable WP:ATD. There were two sources - one an external link - on the article page before it was, quite correctly in my view, redirected; these clearly verify the person's existence and BLP isn't relevant here; they also verify that they played in 1 first-class and five List A matches - all at the "highest domestic level". It's entirely possible that there are non-English speaking sources that will cover the person - there are certainly cases where this has been true. In these sorts of cases we would generally prefer a redirect to a "List of... cricketers" article, but in this case one doesn't exist yet. Someone might get around to producing one - it's been known (there aren't a huge number of matches to deal with so this is certainly easier). Until then the redirect we have seems reasonable.
It might be reasonable, given that he's played internationally, to make Imal Liyanage (cricketer, born 1994) the primary target and use a hatnote for the other chap. I would imagine most people searching for the name will be looking for the bloke born in 1994 certainly, but I don't see why we'd delete it just now. Blue Square Thing (talk) 21:43, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. If nothing else, having never done this sort of thing before, I promise my newbie editor brain grew 3 wrinkles this day. Thanks! KatPro (mrow?) 22:11, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Restore article and send to AfD if desired. This is clearly an unsuitable redirect target as there is no mention of this person there and I'd say mention is unlikely to be justified (the only players mentioned are ones who played for the national team). Should have been PRODed or sent to AfD if the article failed GNG. A7V2 (talk) 23:50, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment A preferred redirect target here would obviously be List of Matara Sports Club cricketers, but that would obviously need to be created. Looks like the article was BOLDly redirected in the last major purge of South Asian cricket articles before the WP:NSPORTS guidelines were updated. I'd always prefer redirects to be kept in situations like this, but it would be much easier with list articles. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 20:23, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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"Drugs & Alcohol Today"

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The result of the discussion was delete. Salvio giuliano 10:27, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unlikely typo/search term Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 09:17, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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WaveLight

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 17#WaveLight

Star Life

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 16#Star Life

List of governors and lieutenant governors of Jammu and Kashmir

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The result of the discussion was delete. Salvio giuliano 14:22, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The current target, List of governors of Jammu and Kashmir, omits List of lieutenant governors of Jammu and Kashmir. While a disambiguation page could exist here, I don't see the point. Per WP:XY, I might propose deletion instead. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 13:57, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that WP:XY applies here. I would recommend a hatnote pointing to each article though. Carpimaps (talk) 14:08, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:53, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Added hatnotes to each other. Jay 💬 07:58, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Gavin Rothery (screenwriter)

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 06:54, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Would like to delete. This redirect only came into existence after a contentious page move. It is not otherwise used. Pageviews are zero. Chumpih t 06:42, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

PalauanReich (talk) 21:20, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Aerosmith/ZZ Top Tour

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 11#Aerosmith/ZZ Top Tour

Kota Eberhardt

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The result of the discussion was delete. Salvio giuliano 10:25, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion (unless an article is created for this actor). It doesn't make sense to redirect to one of the films the actor has played in. This is really confusing. Vincent Lefèvre (talk) 01:13, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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