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The result of the discussion was withdrawn. Yet another case where I'll just say "whatever" and move on. 😁 (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 00:08, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Xbox (first generation) → Xbox (console)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Redirect with questionable utility. For one, at the present time, redirects such as Xbox (second generation) do not exist. For two, there was no Xbox system that was released during the first generation of video game consoles, and the structure of this redirect could make a reader believe that there may have been. All in all, I don't see this redirect being clear enough to continue existing. Steel1943 (talk) 22:44, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Seems relatively clear to me. Xbox has had 4 generations, and is an overarching brand. This is a viable search term for the first iteration. It's both helpful (and ironically less confusing) considering Microsoft's confusing naming system for the brand. (Ie, "Xbox One" is actually their third generation of product, etc.) Sergecross73 msg me 22:49, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep It's obvious that this refers to the first generation Xbox, and therefore redirects there, because it shares its name with the Xbox (fourth generation) (the fourth generation Xbox which has the models Series X and Series S). The fact that it isn't part of the first generation of video game consoles is irrelevant. It's the first generation in it's product line. -- ferret (talk) 23:20, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep one of several ways that the original Xbox is made distinct from the current Xbox line. --Masem (t) 23:31, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Seem logical enough to me plus it is WP:CHEAP. This is similar to products like iPad (1st generation) and iPhone SE (2nd generation) Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 23:36, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I’ll do the pleasure of creating Xbox (second generation) since it seems like it’s gonna snow. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 23:39, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Status of territories occupied by Israel in 1967. As there was no opposition to the retargeting suggestion. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 23:47, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Political status of the Palestinian territories → Palestinian territories  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Retarget to Status of territories occupied by Israel in 1967, this is much better target, the article about the status of the Palestinian territories and the Golan Heights. The second (worse) option: refine to Palestinian territories#Political status and sovereignty. Can someone tag the redirect? I'm not an extended confirmed user yet. Caenus (talk) 22:39, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Redirect tagged. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:27, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:39, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Old Hope, Pennsylvania → New Hope, Pennsylvania  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I can find pretty much nothing that refers to New Hope as Old Hope. There might have been a mill there previously called Old Hope Mills that was destroyed then renamed to New Hope Mills, but I can't find a good WP:RS on that, and I can find nothing saying that New Hope was ever referred to as Old Hope. TartarTorte 22:03, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I find nothing for "Old Hope" anywhere. BhamBoi (talk) 06:47, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Goth (surname). (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 21:16, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Goth Family → The Sims (video game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There are many people with the last name “Goth” and the family is not mentioned in the article. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 13:21, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to The Sims where it is mentioned. Alternatively, retarget to Goth (surname) and add a mention there of the fictional use. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:36, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: There are multiple target suggestions.
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• Comment to be clear, I favor retargeting to The Sims as first choice, and Goth (surname) as a second choice. Mdewman6 (talk) 18:54, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe redirect to The Sims 2 where they mention Pleasants and Goths? AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 12:53, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Sims seems superior because unlike The Sims 2 it actually uses the phrase "Goth family" (twice) and mentions it in regards to both The Sims 2 and The Sims 3, so is the more encompassing target. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:35, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Goth (surname). I don't think it can be taken for granted that people entering this search time are looking for the video game. Furius (talk) 01:50, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fine with this so long as a mention of the fictional use is added with a wikilink to The Sims. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:36, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment I have added a mention at Goth (surname), so would be fine retargeting there. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:43, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Goth (surname) which also covers the Sims NPC's --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:13, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget: Per Lenticel's comment now that Mdewman6 has added it to the dab. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hey man im josh (talk • contribs) 19:05, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Goth (surname) as not everyone will be looking for the Sims, and the Sims are mentioned at the target dab page. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:38, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Goth (surname) as the most direct target. Jontesta (talk) 20:23, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete per author request. ✗plicit 13:59, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Revd Hopfstadter → Leonard Hofstadter  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The character's ordainment as a minister is discussed in one episode, but not in the enwiki article. The lack of mention combined with the unique misspelling of the last name makes this an incredibly implausible search term. Delete. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:56, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as it's a misspelling- I created this redirect, so guess it qualifies under WP:CSD#G7. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:50, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per creator --Lenticel ^(talk) 09:55, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Per creator. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:05, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Withdraw. (non-admin closure) Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 13:19, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• .nes → Nintendo Entertainment System  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Like the Xbox executable, this file format is not mentioned in the article. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 15:04, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to List_of_file_formats#Video_game_storage_media where I've added a cited mention. --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:21, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I didn’t know the article existed. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 13:18, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 14:15, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Regular Nintendo → Nintendo Entertainment System  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Seems to be a very uncommon alternative name as it only had 310 page views[1] throughout its entire life time. I don’t see much on Google besides a Reddit discussion related to the name. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 14:15, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - I have never heard the NES be referred to as "Regular Nintendo". Contemporary sources would have called it just "Nintendo", modern-day sources call it NES. MightyArms (talk) 18:21, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I have never heard that term used to describe the NES.--65.92.162.81 (talk) 00:21, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as obscure synonym at best --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:21, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• I imagine someone meant this as a way of referring to the original Nintendo Entertainment System rather than it's successor, the Super Nintendo Entertainment System. (Ie "No, that's not a Super Nintendo, it's just the older 'regular' Nintendo".) I see what they were trying to do, and I could see someone casually saying that out loud in a personal conversation, but page view evidence is relatively clear that it's not something one would write in encyclopedic prose or search for either. Sergecross73 msg me 18:30, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete I can almost see how this could be a common search term. But the page views show that it's pretty obscure. Jontesta (talk) 20:30, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 14:04, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• NES Controller (Basic) → Nintendo Entertainment System#Controllers  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The NES controller isn’t usually known as the NES basic controller. Google doesn’t show anything related to “NES Controller Basic”. Note that the disambiguation starts with a capital letter. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 14:04, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - This redirect insinuates that the later "dogbone"-style controller is the most well-known, when in fact, the so-called "basic" controller is the one that people almost universally associate with the NES, and hardly anyone other than hardcore gamers even know the "dogbone" controller exists. MightyArms (talk) 21:18, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as either improper disambiguation or an unlikely search term, take your pick. Sergecross73 msg me 18:32, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete due to unhelpful modifier --Lenticel ^(talk) 09:56, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Unclear what "(Basic)" is meant to represent. Steel1943 (talk) 02:39, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Withdraw. I didn’t realize there were reliable sources (non-admin closure) Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 15:08, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Blue Shell of Death → Blue shell  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

According to google this might be either a phrase or a song despite that, it is not mentioned in the article or reliable sources. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 13:51, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep as this is a known colloquial term used by gamers and mentioned here [2] and here [3]. Add citations to the article. Fieryninja (talk) 14:58, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Withdraw : I didn’t realize there were reliable sources. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 15:07, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Open for Business. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 00:40, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Open for buisness → Expansion packs for The Sims 2#Open for Business  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is a generic term. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 00:19, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Open for Business as a plausible misspelling (I + U transposition). Hatnote there. J947 † ^edits 00:38, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Disambiguate - The correctly spelled redirect 'open for business' should be changed into a disambiguation page that links to both the two musical releases with this title as well as the television series with this title (plus the video game with this title). Then 'open for buisness [sic]' can go to the correctly spelled page. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 00:39, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This being the correctly spelled page. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 00:43, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Disambiguate This should definitely point to the same place as open for business, which appears to be ambiguous. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:47, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Open for Business as {{R from misspelling}} and {{R from avoided double redirect}} for Open for business. A hatnote covers the Sims usage. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:24, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: For what it's worth, after seeing this discussion, I started a potentially related move discussion at Talk:Open for Business (disambiguation)#Requested move 26 October 2022. Steel1943 (talk) 01:34, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete: I just realised that this is a misspelling which, I believe, is implausible, so I simply removed my old !vote and added the modified !vote. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 09:25, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Also retarget Open for business to the dab page at Open for Business (disambiguation) as an ambiguous term, and follow this redirect with {{R from avoided double redirect}} & {{R from misspelling}} to the dab page, if the nominated redirect is kept. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 09:25, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I suspect that @User:Pizzaplayer219 also overlooked the fact that it is a misspelling, by his nomination statement. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 09:28, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Yeah I did overlook that fact. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 12:11, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Buisness is a redirect to Business, so I don't think we can discount this as an implausible misspelling on its own merits. Also I oppose targeting Open for Business (disambiguation) because none of the entries use the lowercase form. If the uppercase version has a primary topic, the lowercase version should default to the same primary topic unless it's a case of WP:DIFFCAPS, which this is not currently. If we could identify content regarding the general phrase to point to and it were included on the disambiguation page, that would change things, but that's not presently the case. Mdewman6 (talk) 22:28, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the correctly spelled version is not officially part of this nomination, so retargeting it would need clear consensus or a subsequent separate discussion. Mdewman6 (talk) 22:31, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per nom, unlikely typo. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 19:15, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Open for Business consistent with Open for business. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:50, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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• Retarget to Open for Business. "Buisness" is a common misspelling of "Business".—Ketil Trout (^<><!) 05:29, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Ammonia. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 00:37, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• NH3 → NH 3  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Nh3 → NH 3  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I believe the clear primary topic for this specific spelling (no space or hyphen) is Ammonia and should be targeted directly there. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:08, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget per nom and add a {{Redirect}} hatnote to the target.—Ketil Trout (^<><!) 05:29, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:22, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Ketil Trout's suggestion Ammonia is the clear primary subject. Roostery123 (talk) 07:26, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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