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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 02:36, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Wikipedia:半保護の方針 → ja:Wikipedia:半保護の方針  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not useful. There's no reason to redirect to a jawiki policy, and if we were to retarget this internally it would be to Wikipedia:Protection policy - but we generally don't have redirects in project-space from other languages per WP:RFOREIGN. Elli (talk | contribs) 23:05, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom - not useful. Sun8908 _Talk 09:25, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 11:11, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:07, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 02:39, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Nervous puncture → Nerve point of neck  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete. This is a very bad translation of latin. "Punctum nervosum" means 'nerve point', not 'nervous puncture'. Coastside (talk) 20:27, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. BD2412 T 04:10, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. --Lenticel ^(talk) 03:57, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 03:05, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Magyar Államvasútak → Hungarian State Railways  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The correct name is Magyar Államvasutak. That, as well as the title without diacritics, are plausible. This redirect contains an incorrect diacritic and is thus implausible, as well as only having 142 pageviews dudhhr_Contribs 19:57, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 02:40, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Shiromi-no-sakana no mushimono → Whitefish  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is Japanese for "Steamed white fish". It's a dish vs. a fish. There are no topics on the dab page that fit other than the general Whitefish (fisheries term) and that article really has little to do with Japanes cuisine. I don't see any compelling reason to keep this redirect. Coastside (talk) 18:54, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. There is no particular affinity for the Japanese culinary phrase for any topic in this English-language encyclopedia. BD2412 T 04:09, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was move article over redirect. (non-admin closure) feminist (+) 10:45, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Raise the Dead → Raise the Dead (album)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This should be re-targeted to Resurrection. I moved the target from this title to a disambiguated one in March. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 15:49, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• I would have agreed if this was Raise the dead. The one with the capitalized D can still refer to the album, and it can have a hatnote to Resurrection. Note that both Raising the dead and Raising the Dead redirect to Resurrection, but the latter has a miscapitalisation tag, which we wouldn't want at the redirect being discussed. Jay ^(Talk) 19:35, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Since the article on the album is the only one of this title, we should move the article back to the undisambiguated title and add a hatnote to resurrection per WP:DIFFCAPS and Jay. - Eureka Lott 22:56, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Move Raise the Dead (album) to Raise the Dead leaving a redirect {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}}. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:10, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Move per Shhhhnotsoloud and Eureka Lott. CycloneYoris ^talk! 05:59, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Alice Wells. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 05:52, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Alice wells → Alice Stebbins Wells  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is a surprise redirect, in that it goes to Alice Stebbins Wells, when Alice Wells exists. Just deleting it will make "alice wells" go to Alice Wells GRuban (talk) 14:54, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Alice Wells to avoid WP:ASTONISHment, as is the precedent with stuff like Walt disney and John f. kennedy. I get it, the current target's subject was the only Alice Wells on Wikipedia for a little more than eight years, but it no longer makes sense to redirect there, as there's also Alice Wells. Plus, it still gets a decent number of pageviews, like 127 last year, so it's occasionally helpful. Regards, SONIC⁶⁷⁸ 17:35, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect per nom, but I also note that apparently "Alice Wells" was the birth name of Alisa Wells, and there is a city named "Alice" in a "Jim Wells County" in Texas, and I think there may be enough to disambiguate the name. BD2412 T 04:13, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete because of the lower case last name. I went ahead and added "Alisa Wells (born Alice Wells; November 26, 1927 – January 5, 1988)" to Wells (name) since that entry was missing. If the idea is to keep Alice G. Wells as the primary topic, then in the hat note I would use {{Other people|Alice Wells|Wells (name)#Surname}}. The other alternative is to create a human name disambiguation page for people named Alice Wells and link the hatnote to that page. Coastside (talk) 15:54, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Alice Wells per Sonic678, regardless of what content is at that title - if Alice G. Wells is primary it should lead to her article, if she isn't then make a disambig primary and point the redirect to it. Thryduulf (talk) 17:11, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Alice Wells. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:12, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 05:52, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Aamer Bhatti (cricketer, born 1972) → List of Bahawalpur cricketers  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

not mentioned on linked page ~ GB fan 12:24, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn, now that he is mentioned. ~ GB fan 13:03, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep This has now been rectified, the list is incomplete and was likely created from articles in a category. This shows he played for them, and them only, so redirect is suitable. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 12:29, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 15:22, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Thom Yorke's live band → Atoms for Peace (band)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I think we should delete this - can't think of why anyone would search for this term, and it's confusing, as Thom Yorke has performed with more than one live band - Radiohead, Atoms for Peace (band), the Smile (band). Looks like it was created before Atoms for Peace, the band Yorke formed to perform his solo material, had a name. Popcornfud (talk). 11:38, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: I just got a notification about this redirect that I forgot I made. I support the deletion on the basis that it's confusing and no longer useful. Popcornfud is indeed correct, this was where the Atoms for Peace article was before that band's name was announced but after they had performed several concerts as either an unnamed band or just billed as "Thom Yorke". I redirected the contents of that article to Atoms for Peace (band) once that name was officially announced. This could have probably been deleted years ago. Doc Strange^MailboxLogbook 13:51, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - the Atoms for Peace article was created at this title and lived there for three months; {{R from move}} applies. There is a small amount of incoming activity which suggests a very stale external link somewhere. Since the external link likely refers to that band and not Yorke's other live work, those hits should land on this article and not a more general article, but redirecting to Thom Yorke (which lists all of his musical projects) would also be useful. Ivanvector's squirrel (^trees/_nuts) 14:43, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is a small amount of incoming activity which suggests a very stale external link somewhere

I think that might just be me regularly stumbling on the link while adding Thom Yorke links via the Visual Editor - I often work on Radiohead articles. The page is only linked to on some bot/talk pages (see the What links here results), thanks to its nom for deletion here. Popcornfud (talk) 15:07, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What I mean is that in the three months that the article existed under the former title, it's possible that a website download a copy of Wikipedia to serve as a mirror (there are numerous such sites on the web, very few of them ever update their pages), and so an existing link from that mirror could be pointing to this title, and those could be the page hits seen in the stats. See WP:LINKROT. It's not possible to see what site external links are coming from, and even if we could we can't edit those sites to fix the link anyway. Ivanvector's squirrel (^trees/_nuts) 16:32, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gotcha, thanks for the clarification. To me that doesn't seem like a super major thing to worry about, but hey. Popcornfud (talk) 19:29, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as ambiguous per nom. The way the redirect is worded (which is not the name the band was called as), makes it harder to retarget or convert to a disambig page. Jay ^(Talk) 19:55, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Ivanvector's squirrel. The target is not ambiguous in actual usage, {{R from move}} definitely applies and even if it didn't retaining the redirect would be harmless. Thryduulf (talk) 13:04, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. ✗plicit 03:08, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Manius Acilius Glabrio (consul 124) → Manius Acilius Glabrio  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

A redirect to a DAB page with no mention. Links to it are accordingly logged as errors in Disambiguation pages with links. Delete, to encourage article creation. Narky Blert (talk) 09:08, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Now retargeted, no further action needed. Narky Blert (talk) 15:09, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ugh. I had done this 5 years ago because at the time I could not find enough information about this personage to justify creating an article. And had forgotten I had created this redirect. Since then my practice has been to point the redirect to the article about the relevant gens. I've gone ahead & repointed this redirect. -- llywrch (talk) 14:05, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete as nonsense. Ixfd64 (talk) 17:38, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• P-Guy (disambiguation) → Pi (disambiguation)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete. This was created by a bot as a result of Π-Guy (disambiguation) which is nominated for deletion below. All nonsense. Coastside (talk) 06:12, 23 September 2021 (UTC) Revised Coastside (talk) 06:21, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as nonsense. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:03, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete. Ixfd64 (talk) 17:37, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Π-Guy (disambiguation) → Pi (disambiguation)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete. This was created by a user named "Piguy" as self-promotion and is meaningless and even confusing. I thought it might be a fictional character. It's nothing. Coastside (talk) 06:07, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as nonsense. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:03, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy delete as G1 per above. dudhhr_Contribs 20:31, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 02:40, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Draft:Eighteen → User:GDFilbert/Eighteen  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This redirect should be deleted as there is no valid target. It was originally created in reference to Tropical Depression Eighteen (2021) (see other discussions on this page for Tropical Depression Eighteen and Tropical Storm Sam), but it is not a valid title for this topic as Eighteen exists as a redirect with no edit history linking it to this cyclone. TornadoLGS (talk) 01:42, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom + possibly #5 of WP:RDELETE. PlanetsForLife 01:08, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • To add, it may fall under WP:G6 putting it under speedy deletion. PlanetsForLife 01:12, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. Thryduulf (talk) 13:13, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• DOTE → Bureau of Technical Education  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target, although 10 years ago it was the Department of Technical Education so it made sense then. No current uses in WP. Note BOTE is already in use. Recommend deleting. MB 01:38, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - This doesn't seem to be worth keeping at all. I agree. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 03:55, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Department of Technical Education? That appears to be the same organisation as in the old version of Bureau of Technical Education [1] which said it used that acronym though the new article doesn't mention it, instead mentioning DTE. Probably Department of Technical Education (India) which also currently targets Bureau of Technical Education should be retargeted as well. A7V2 (talk) 08:22, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  I don't think that is right. Department of Technical Education is part of the govt. of the state of Kerala. It's different that the Bureau of Technical Education which is national. MB 22:15, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really know, hence the ? in my comment... I now think disambiguate per MB the IP and others is the best option anyway. Department of Technical Education can be added to the disambiguation page if others feel it is warranted. I will boldly retarget Department of Technical Education (India) to Department of Technical Education but of course anyone is free to revert this if they feel it should stay at the current target. A7V2 (talk) 05:33, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Disambiguate for Director, Operational Test and Evaluation, Dancing on the Edge Festival, and the people with the surname Dote. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 17:05, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Director, Operational Test and Evaluation is close (DOT&E). The festival is a better match. People are Élie Doté, Tomohide Dote, and Franck Doté. A dab may be useful. MB 22:32, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Disambigate per the IP and MB. Could be turned into a useful page that way.Destroyer (Alternate account) 17:53, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep from an implementation perspective, although this was expressed as retarget in the discussion since the status of the redirect as listed here was not a stable status quo ante. Given that an additional editor chimed in since Jax 0677's request for more input, and that the decision is essenially unanimous, I'm going to go ahead and close this discussion as is. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:02, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Bellicose → Belligerent  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I would like to have an open discussion about this redirect, which was originally pointed at Hostility. --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:10, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Belligerent. The word Bellicose means favoring or inclined to start quarrels or wars. The etymology comes from Latin bellum = war. The article on Hostility does not mention war, so I think the redirect was inappropriate. Belligerent is the most appropriate target I can find. There is no page on Bellicosity, but if you search for it, you will find Bellicose. Agnerf (talk) 15:44, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• (Re)Target to Belligerent per Agnerf. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:56, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Note to admin - May we relist this discussion to get more feedback? --Jax 0677 (talk) 11:44, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Jax 0677, are you looking for specific feedback on this? Do you have specific questions? --BDD (talk) 21:02, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• @Jax 0677: Not sure why you're suggesting to relist this if there's already a consensus for retargeting? CycloneYoris ^talk! 06:03, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Reply - I'd like more opinions than just two, but if that is not feasible, so be it. I have no more specific questions, nor do I have a much better target. --Jax 0677 (talk) 12:06, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget as above and cat {{R from related}}, by jingo! 85.67.32.244 (talk) 19:01, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 02:39, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Draft:Tropical Storm Sam → Draft:Tropical Depression Eighteen  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

originally nominated for speedy deletion by @PlanetsForLife with the reason "this is an ambiguous redirect with no valid target since this is a generic name reused every 6 years. No significant page history, so a deletion would be better than another page move" FASTILY 00:31, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete The current page Tropical Storm Sam is a set index, so any article about a tropical storm named Sam would have to specify the year in its title. TornadoLGS (talk) 00:58, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Move to Draft:Tropical Storm Sam (2021) as the storm now exists and could impact the Leeward Islands and the eastern Greater Antilles. PlanetsForLife 16:18, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per TornadoLGS and the fact that it is no longer a tropical storm. PlanetsForLife 11:22, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per TornadoLGS. @PlanetsForLife: saying that Sam could impact land is currently WP:CRYSTAL, as as we cannot rely on models this far out and the NHC has not issued warnings/advisories for those areas yet. Destroyer (Alternate account) 19:45, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per TornadoLGS and because Sam is now a hurricane, thus any article written will be titled 'Hurricane Sam'. Drdpw (talk) 13:18, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 02:39, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Draft:Tropical Depression Eighteen → Tropical Depression Eighteen (2021)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

originally nominated for speedy deletion by @Chlod with the reason "this is an ambiguous redirect with no valid target since this is a generic name reused every year. No significant page history, so a deletion would be better than another page move" FASTILY 00:30, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Per nom. This name would not necessarily be reused every year, as not every hurricane season has that many systems, but tropical depression numbers are reused frequently enough that any redirect will have to specify the year. TornadoLGS (talk) 01:03, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Far too vague and also inconsistant. PlanetsForLife 11:55, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete This title is too ambiguous to be accurately redirected. Drdpw (talk) 18:37, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:59, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Eddie Murphy Television → Eddie Murphy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Nobody would search for this. There is subsection of Eddie Murphy devoted to television nor is there any show with this title. Notfrompedro (talk) 00:17, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Eddie_Murphy_filmography#Television. Plausible search term for the content in that section. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:58, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Jay. I should have checked the current target for mentions and surmised this referred to a production label of some sort. The lowercase WP:DIFFCAPS version Eddie Murphy television does not exist, but would be a valid redirect for Eddie_Murphy_filmography#Television. Since that redirect does not exist, it makes the uppercase version a more useful search term for the production context. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:01, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. On second (or third I guess?) thought, we currently have little information about the production company, other than three mentions in 2 articles that simply implies it exists. I agree the company should be described at Eddie Murphy Television Enterprises, and as I indicated above, at least some searchers using this as a search term are interested in his television filmography rather than our meager content about the production company. Instead of having a {{R from short name}} redirect for a topic that WP barely describes, let's delete to defer to search results and further encourage article creation at the full name of the production company. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:13, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget per Mdewman6. Jay ^(Talk) 20:20, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  With the new context provided by 1234qwer1234qwer4, the company article would ideally be at Eddie Murphy Television Enterprises, and the redirect being discussed can point to that, until then Keep. Jay ^(Talk) 18:59, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  There is no mention of the company at the target; how does a redirect like this help the reader? ~~~~
  User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 19:02, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Multiple mentions at Eddie Murphy § 1980–1989: Acting stardom. In fact the redirect creator Duc4Wikmedia had added the mentions at the target before creating the redirect (and which I missed to notice until now). Jay ^(Talk) 19:13, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Eddie Murphy filmography#Television per the above. Redirects are cheap. BD2412 T 04:14, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. The previous commenters seem to have missed that this, like a number of other redirects by the same user previously deleted at RfD, is actually the name of a corporation, as quickly seen by a web search and even mentioned on-wiki at Coming to America (TV pilot)#Production. I agree with the nominator that the reader will not find any content related to this title at the target article, and deletion will encourage article creation. ~~~~
  User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 18:01, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Do not retarget to Eddie Murphy filmography#Television because that's not where the mention of "Eddie Murphy Television Enterprises" is, but the Eddie Murphy article has a link to there. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:21, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Shhhnotsoloud. --BDD (talk) 21:01, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per various editors above. Plausible and useful search term, no reason for deleting. CycloneYoris ^talk! 05:56, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 02:39, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Dazza Chesty → Darren Chester  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I did a quick search and didn't find any mentions of this person by this nickname and it isn't mentioned in the article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:10, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - This just seems like a bit of nonsense to me. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 03:44, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep - In Australia "Dazza" is a fairly common diminutive of Darren in the same way as "Eddy/Eddie" for Edward, for example, so I suppose it could be plausible search term for an Australian politician. A7V2 (talk) 08:25, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. A Google search turned up one hit - this redirect. We record nicknames, not make them up. Narky Blert (talk) 11:09, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete RS does not support that this nickname exists. Destroyer (Alternate account) 17:51, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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