Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 March 5

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Latinx. Any hatnotes, Rcats, etc. are free to be added ~ Amory (u • t • c) 09:50, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Latine → Latin (disambiguation)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Retarget to Latinx (the original target) as a related term (see e.g. Morphological Gender Innovations in Spanish of Genderqueer Speakers by Papadapolous, 2019). Other pages use Latine only as part of a longer phrase (e.g. "small Latine and lesse Greeke"). Also a word for 'Latin' in French, Italian, Portuguese, etc, but Latine doesn't appear on the DAB page at all, which is no help to readers searching for this term specifically. And on the English Wikipedia, we don't usually keep generic redirects from foreign languages. A hatnote on the target page can handle any further ambiguity. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 23:10, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget per nom. If another editor can point to a legitimate use in modern English, I'm listening. --BDD (talk) 01:06, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:XY – I also thought the same thing. However, according to Wiktionary, "Latine" also means "Latin language" (by the way, the nominator's name can be translated to "blood of beef"). --Soumyabrata (talk • subpages) 09:05, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's a very obsolete English spelling of "Latin", and isn't used on Wikipedia, unlike the Spanish neologism latine. Unless Wikipedia users include a high proportion of time travelers from the 1600s, I don't think that the two are "equally" likely targets at all. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 11:57, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • And the usual translation is "oxblood" ;) —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 23:26, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget back to Latinx where mentioned. It may be ambiguous (other usage looks obscure to me though), but the hatnotes already employed at that article should catch that usage. I disagree with a possible deletion because this is a plausible search term—if it can refer to multiple things equally, it should be disambiguated as such. -- Tavix ^(talk) 14:55, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Don't keep and don't retarget. Latine may be a gender-neutral neologism mentioned at Latinx, but it's also got a range of uses clustering around Latin language (obsolete English spelling + Latin word for "in Latin" + very plausible misspelling for many L2 speakers of English, etc), each of which might be arguably too insignificant on its own but together I believe they clearly outweigh the neologism. – Uanfala (talk) 13:13, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • This seems like an argument for making the term a disambiguation page rather than deleting. But once again, WP:XY applies when a term can "equally" point to multiple targets, not when a bunch of insignificant uses combine to outweigh a single use. Is Latine a documented common misspelling of Latin? —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 10:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Looke at the Shakespeare's play Loues labors loſt (with emphasis):

Costard: Go to; thou hast it ad dungill [sic], at the fingers' ends, as they say.
Holofernes: O, I smell false Latine; dunghill for unguem.

--Soumyabrata (talk • subpages) 05:22, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You're saying that Shakespeare misspelled Latin there? How many readers are going to be searching for Latin using an archaic spelling from the late 1500s? —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 03:30, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Latinx per Tavix and Sangdeboeuf. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 01:35, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 01:29, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• F. W. Benson → Frank Weston Benson  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in the target article as an alternative name for the subject of the target article, and could refer to anyone with first initial "F", middle initial "W", last name "Benson". At the least, this redirect is ambiguous with the topic at Frank W. Benson (politician). So ... unless evidence of the redirect used as someone's alias is provided, best to delete this. Steel1943 (talk) 21:47, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Disambiguate. I've added a draft. The more specific Frank W. Beston should be created and redirected Frank W. Benson should redirect to it as {{R from incomplete disambiguation}}. Narky Blert (talk) 22:07, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Narky Blert: ...Do you mean Frank W. Benson? Steel1943 (talk) 22:34, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Steel1943: Oops. Narky Blert (talk) 22:42, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment. I've seen redirects with incoming links of the form John A. Public to a DAB page like John Public with twenty-odd entries. First, you have to determine if any of the entries on that DAB page is actually John A. Public, or if it's a spurious redirect – and if it is, what to do about it. Second, you have to determine if there's more than one of them on the page, or if the redirect should be pointed towards the only one of that name – provided that the problem link and the target are the same person, which is not always the case. Third, and finally, if all else fails, you have to work out which one of the multiple people is meant – or it could be turn out to be someone else altogether. RFD looms. All that can be, shall we say, time-comsuming. Narky Blert (talk) 23:03, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - I do not remember ever seeing Frank Weston Benson referred to as F.W. Benson.–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:00, 6 March 2020 (UTC) Ohhh.... I just did a search on "F.W. Benson" and found that is how he signed his works of art here. I had not remembered that.–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:02, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Disambiguate – the draft looks useful. --Soumyabrata (talk • subpages) 08:54, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was speedy keep. I'll note that Dmehus is now blocked until June, so he would not have been able to participate further in this discussion. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:55, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Boucherie → Butcher  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I stumbled upon this redirect while using the "search Wikipedia" search box on a related subject and, while butcher in French is bouchère/boucher, in this case, I'm not certain this misspelling is the best use of this redirect here. I'm not advocating deletion, but I would note that my former high school, Mount Boucherie Senior Secondary School, may be a more appropriate target. At the same time, we do appear to have several partial references to Boucherie using the "contains" search function. There is also at least one potential target with the surname "Boucherie." Doug M. T·C 13:39, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• speedy keep This is a frivolous request. See fr wikis article. It's literally the exact same spelling. Praxidicae (talk) 14:08, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy keep per Praxidicae. --Soumyabrata (talk • subpages) 17:42, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 21:22, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Sara Havener → Royal New Zealand Ballet#Dancers  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not independently notable and not mentioned in the article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:51, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, to encourage article creation if justified. She's not mentioned in the target. Every ballet company has dozens of aspiring dancers, many of whom will never make it. This suggests she might struggle to get past WP:TOOSOON. Narky Blert (talk) 23:18, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 21:22, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Technique (short) → Linkin Park discography  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Technique (song) → Linkin Park discography  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

It is not clear why these redirect here. There was apparently an instrumental track "Technique" on Hybrid Theory (EP) (but not on the album Hybrid Theory). Hybrid Theory (EP) redirects to the discography but there is no mention of "Technique" in the target article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:17, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - I agree. We can target the EP's page if/when it ever gets created, but until then deletion seems like the right call. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 21:34, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Technique (short) regardless. Short what - film? poem? story? No, none of those, apparently. Terrible qualifier.

Delete Technique (song) without prejudice against recreation as a redirect if a suitable target is added somewhere, e.g. as {{R from song}}. Narky Blert (talk) 23:32, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep Cary grant and Archibald alec leach, retarget Carygrant to a relevant list of minor planets, delete the rest.. Note that ArchibaldAlexanderLeach was already G7 deleted before this close, but the consensus was for deletion regardless. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 01:28, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Cary grant → Cary Grant  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Cary Grant. → Cary Grant  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Carygrant → Cary Grant  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• ArchibaldAlexanderLeach → Cary Grant  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Archibald alec leach → Cary Grant  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Correctly capitalised or formatted versions of these redirects exist, and there doesn't seem to be any requirement for these erroneous ones. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:18, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Looks like ArchibaldAlexanderLeach was one of my first 2000 edits, back during the first two months I was editing Wikipedia, back before I understood when CamelCase was appropriate. Anyways, I don't agree with the "me of 2012" anymore, and have marked that redirect with {{Db-g7}}. Steel1943 (talk) 09:59, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This was originally a redirect to the minor planet 9342 Carygrant, which however does not seem to have its own article (maybe it used to have one). --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 10:30, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Cary grant and Archibald alec leach per WP:CHEAP, considering they are just capitalization differences. Delete the others per nom. Steel1943 (talk) 21:18, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep the aforementioned two and delete the others. I agree. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 21:40, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep/delete per Steel1943 and CoffeeWithMarkets. Narky Blert (talk) 12:48, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget Carygrant to List of minor planets: 9001–10000#342, being the name of a minor planet. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:31, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Retarget Population centre to Center of population. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 01:22, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Population centre → Census geographic units of Canada#Population centres  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

• Population center → Center of population  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Retarget the first to Center of population to align the two. There is a move discussion at Talk:Center of population#Requested move 5 March 2020, but the two issues are not co-dependent, so I thought it better to list this here and cross-reference. There are thirty incoming links from other articles to the Canada article.85.238.91.68 (talk) 05:45, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: the first is a term for a geographic statistical area. What is most common for “population centre”? “Centre of population” seems like a stretch. If the geographic statistical area is confirmed as less common, I think we will need a new disambiguated redirect such as Population centre (Canada). Hwy43 (talk) 05:56, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Population Center" is only linked from two articles. So as far as usage is concerned, the Statistics Canada term is fifteen times more common. But common sense would seem to indicate that the general meaning must needs be more common than Statistics Canada's specific one, so I agree a more specific redirect is needed, per WP:PRECISE. From April to July 2013 it was a two-entry DAB page. 85.238.91.68 (talk) 06:02, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. Demographic center targets Demography but perhaps should also be retargeted to Center of population. It's only used in one article (Bidwell House Museum). 85.238.91.68 (talk) 06:46, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget Population centre to Center of population as {{R from modification}} {{R from other spelling}}. As a Brit, if I typed in Population centre, I would expect to land on a general article, not one about Canada. Check the incoming links, and correct any strays. I agree that this RFD is independent of the open RM. Narky Blert (talk) 09:36, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget Population centre to Center of population per Narky; create a new redirect Population centre (Canada); and allocate incoming links to one of the other. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:34, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm good with the proposed new redirect. Hatnote territory. Narky Blert (talk) 22:26, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget per Shhhnotsoloud and support creation of a new redirect; this should first account for WP:ENGVAR spelling differences (as "centre" is not exclusive to Canada). ComplexRational (talk) 01:23, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was soft delete. Deryck C. 00:44, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Chris Burns (radio host) → KINY  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete I know this is tagged with {{R without mention}}, but should we really have redirects for non-notable (presumably former) employees to their employers? UnitedStatesian (talk) 04:58, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Neutral — Nothing malignant about it, so this could be viewed as yet another example of Wikipedians who are far more interested in defining what's notable than reflecting what's notable, judging from the state of the KINY article. However, my past attempts to work with Merovingian and their spree of questionable content creations led nowhere, so I wouldn't mourn its deletion. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 00:46, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 21:21, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• 10 Inch Nails → Nine Inch Nails  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• 8 inch nails → Nine Inch Nails  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Subject does not appear to have ever been known by this name. Length also seems to be longer than any of the measurements mentioned at Nail (fastener)#Sizes, so there's no point in retargeting there. Hog Farm (talk) 03:58, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete no relation to the target, or any target. UnitedStatesian (talk) 04:59, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Agree, there is no relation between these redirects and the target. No one is going to mistake those for the actual band. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 19:36, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - "Ten Inch Nails" appears to be the name of a release by musician Laura Escudé, but it's not on her related page here. It is mentioned on what seems to be her official YouTube page. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 21:47, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. CwM's research neatly encapsulates WP:XY: the title either is wrong, or is something we have nothing about. No good target for either. Narky Blert (talk) 22:36, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 21:21, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Mindeb → Middle-earth#Geography  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The only place this Middle-earth river is mentioned is at the dab page Minden (disambiguation), where it probably shouldn't be mentioned anyway because of the spelling difference. This page was blanked and redirected in 2006, so there should be no WP:ATT issues with deletion because the content wasn't merged anywhere at all. If I'm misunderstanding ATT here, I'll withdraw the nom. Hog Farm (talk) 03:38, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:07, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Kalapani (1988 film) → Kaalapani  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not a 1988 film. No evidence that the film was in the making since then. Kailash29792 (talk) 03:28, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - I agree. The film was released many years after that date. It's not worth keeping redirects that are misleading like this. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 21:49, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. The ever-reliable IMDb does not mention any film with that or a similar name having been released in 1988. Narky Blert (talk) 09:26, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 04:05, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• End Rape on Campus → List of anti-sexual assault organizations in the United States#EROC  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There are multiple different notable organisations of this name - a redirect to a list of organisations in one country is not appropriate. The Drover's Wife (talk) 01:25, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep WP:REDIR#K3. WP:N does not apply to redirects. Paradoctor (talk) 02:09, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete D'oh. Completely misread the rationale. Thx to @Hog Farm: for pointing out EROC UK. There's also an EROC Australia on Twitter. Paradoctor (talk) 03:02, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:XY. There's not enough to disambiguate. Although most of the mentions on the English Wikipedia seem to be about the US-based group, there's also a reference at The Wilberforce Society that seems to be referring to an organization of this name in the UK. Let the search bar do it's job. Hog Farm (talk) 02:47, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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