Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 June 7
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 7, 2017.
Stupid Watergate
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was retarget to Last Week Tonight segments about Donald Trump#.22Stupid Watergate.22. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:56, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
- Stupid Watergate → Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Apparently a nickname of John Oliver's for the topic, it's not mentioned at the target page, and there isn't really a good reason for it to be. It's not a common or intuitive nickname for the subject, to the point where I had speedily deleted it as vandalism until I was corrected. BDD (talk) 22:55, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
Keep.I'd found out about the article's deletion in the first place because I tried to look up Stupid Watergate to see what Wikipedia had to say about it. Last Week Tonight segments about Donald Trump could potentially be a better redirect target, except that article currently doesn't cover much about the show's (extensive) post-election coverage of Trump, and the scandal has at least as much to do about Flynn as it does with Trump. Still, I see no harm in keeping the redirect as it is for now and possibly redirecting it to a more specific page later if one comes along. - furrykef (Talk at me) 02:36, 8 June 2017 (UTC)- Changing my vote to retarget per CoffeeWithMarkets and AngusWOOF. I went ahead and changed it myself, since the idea that Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections is not an ideal redirect target does not appear to be in dispute. - furrykef (Talk at me) 23:34, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- Redirect to 'Last Week Tonight segments about Donald Trump'. I went ahead and expanded that article myself. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 17:05, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- Retarget as suggested by CoffeeWithMarkets as that seems to be the name to describe the segment. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:08, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
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Katolikismo
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- The result of the discussion was delete. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:58, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
- Katolikismo → Catholic Church (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Johano Pauxlo la 2-a → Pope John Paul II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Kristanismo → Christianity (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Gxuangzio → Zhuangzi (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Gxavo → C++ (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Gnostikismo → Gnosticism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Vjet-Namo → Vietnam (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Darvino → Darwin (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Cxifrado → Encryption (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Baza angla → Basic English (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bangladesxo → Bangladesh (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bakono → Francis Bacon (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Aztekoj → Aztec (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Auxgusteno → Augustine of Hippo (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Albiganismo → Catharism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Akvino → Corazon Aquino (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Here are some more Esperanto redirects created at the same time by Diego Grez-Cañete. They have no affinity with that language and should be deleted per WP:RFOREIGN. -- Tavix (talk) 19:18, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
- Delete them all, because they are not in English. We should review everything that this user has added to Wikipedia, and we should default to deletion in any case where it is not clear that we should keep the contribution. - Richard Cavell (talk) 19:36, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
- Delete all per WP:RFOREIGN and lack of affinity between Esperanto and the target. I do not support automatic deletion of the user's contributions as suggested by Richard Cavell though. Thryduulf (talk) 22:55, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
- Delete all per Thryduulf. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 13:48, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- Delete all per WP:RFOREIGN and per Thryduulf. PCN02WPS 00:22, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom --Lenticel (talk) 01:57, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
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List of Polish popes
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- The result of the discussion was retarget to List of popes by nationality#Poland. (non-admin closure) Anarchyte (work | talk) 23:38, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
- List of Polish popes → Pope John Paul II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
It is a WP:SURPRISE to have a "list of" redirect to an article that does not contain such a list. -- Tavix (talk) 18:28, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
Delete as it's WP:TOOSOON to make a list. If it were a category it'd be deleted for WP:SMALLCAT AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:16, 7 June 2017 (UTC)- Retarget to List of popes by nationality#Poland. I've boldly restored that article from a redirect to List of popes as the main list is not sorted or sortable by nationality. Thryduulf (talk) 23:06, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
- There's also a smaller List of popes by country, should that be merged into this one? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:07, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, although the title is arguably a better reflection of the content the by nationality list is more developed and we don't need both of them. Thryduulf (talk) 09:19, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- Thryduulf, you can pick whichever title fits and make the other a bold redirect. I'm striking my previous vote. And remove the refimprove tag, as popes listed are notable and are confirmed by the articles themselves. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:30, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- @AngusWOOF: Well the "by nationality" list is clearly the better (and longest standing) article so any merge should go to that. I'll leave it at that title until this RfD closes, but might do an RM or bold move after that. Thryduulf (talk) 16:14, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- I've added The Guardian article to the nationality one. It also has stats so you can use that to modify and to support the counts on the country table. Support Retarget and develop that article AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:50, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- @AngusWOOF: Well the "by nationality" list is clearly the better (and longest standing) article so any merge should go to that. I'll leave it at that title until this RfD closes, but might do an RM or bold move after that. Thryduulf (talk) 16:14, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- Thryduulf, you can pick whichever title fits and make the other a bold redirect. I'm striking my previous vote. And remove the refimprove tag, as popes listed are notable and are confirmed by the articles themselves. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:30, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, although the title is arguably a better reflection of the content the by nationality list is more developed and we don't need both of them. Thryduulf (talk) 09:19, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- There's also a smaller List of popes by country, should that be merged into this one? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:07, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- Retarget per Thryduulf and redirect List of popes by country there as well. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:26, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- Retarget per Thryduulf. PCN02WPS 00:30, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
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Most visited places in the world
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- The result of the discussion was retarget to Tourism#World tourism statistics and rankings. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:58, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
- Most visited places in the world → Karbala (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This should redirect to a list, if anything. I can't find a list though, so I'm suggesting deletion. AmaryllisGardener talk 16:31, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
- Comment - the best target I can find is World Tourism rankings - Richard Cavell (talk) 16:59, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
- Retarget to World tourism rankings per Richard Cavell. There isn't an article for most visited besides by country. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:01, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
- Retarget per Angus. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 13:49, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- It's also okay to retarget to Tourism#World_tourism_statistics_and_rankings as those have more general stats plus a list of cities for 2016 from both Mastercard and Euromonitor. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:13, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- Retarget to Tourism#World_tourism_statistics_and_rankings. Seems more appropriate than the WTR, because the tourism article also includes cities. --AmaryllisGardener talk 20:06, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
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Principality and Diocese of Monaco
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 June 24#Principality and Diocese of Monaco
Template:Link
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was deprecate. I'm setting up an error message like what was done to {{source}}. -- Tavix (talk) 13:52, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
- Template:Link → Template:Interlanguage link (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Confusing redirect; has been used incorrectly as if it were {{Cite web}} and {{URL}}. I've replaced all transclusions (including several from link spammers who incorrectly replaced the "dead" in {{Dead link}}). Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 05:59, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
- Deprecate. With such a name, this template is bound to see continuing attempts at use. I think it's best if 1) a template doc page is created listing the likely templates a user might have been looking for; and 2) the template's transcluded content is set to an error message telling editors not to use it, similar to what is done for Template:Requestforcomment (which was the outcome of a a discussion from earlier this year). – Uanfala (talk) 13:03, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
- Delete and salt, which will make transclusions pop up in a database report, or turn it into an error-generating disambiguation template page as suggested above (so long as there is an automated process for find and fixing uses). Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:13, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 13:12, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
- If ambiguous it should probably display an error message, but Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Link lists several script pages - would these be affected by deletion or deprecation of this? Peter James (talk) 20:30, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- Deprecate, since links are so common on Wikipedia, this seems bound to use. It's better to show an error message than nothing in that case. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 05:00, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
- Deprecate per Uanfala and Patar knight. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 22:28, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
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Throw A Fit - EP
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- The result of the discussion was no consensus. -- Tavix (talk) 16:23, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
- Throw A Fit - EP → Daedelus (musician) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete: Contra-MOS markup (capital A vs. MOS:TMRULES/MOS:CAPS, dashed "EP" vs. WP:DASH and WP:OFFICIALNAME) and unnecessary disambiguation on a redirect, where the ambigous conterpart, Throw a Fit, does not even exist. Lordtobi (✉) 16:56, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep per my comments on the similar redirect below. Thryduulf (talk) 17:13, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Delete unless the album has a dash in it, this won't help anyone. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:32, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep per Thryduulf's comments below, and WP:COMMONNAME. Hyphens are almost universally used, at least in en:us; dashes are a tiny minority in American English, which applies since this is an American musician. Nyttend (talk) 22:03, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Nyttend: Neither Commonname nor Officialname applies here, as the album is not titled "Throw A Fit - EP", on his website it is "Throw a Fit", and only on some music outlets it is "Throw a Fit - EP", neither version applies a capital "A". The better disambiguated version is listed below (because I also think that it is not necessary), but the actual redirect that should be, Throw a Fit (or Throw A Fit to break moscaps adaptively to this redirect) is not even present. Lordtobi (✉) 10:08, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
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Throw a Fit (EP)
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- The result of the discussion was keep. Consensus is to keep, though I will retarget it to the EPs section of his article. (non-admin closure) Anarchyte (work | talk) 12:26, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
- Throw a Fit (EP) → Daedelus (musician) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete: Unnecessary disambiguation on a redirect, where the ambigous conterpart, Throw a Fit, does not even exist. Lordtobi (✉) 16:56, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. Perfectly standard and perfectly harmless {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}}. We cannot expect users to know whether we have other articles with this title or not. Thryduulf (talk) 17:13, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
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- Keep - And this can be refined to 'Daedelus#EPs'. As stated above, this looks like a simple case of {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}} that's appropriate enough. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 17:17, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
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List of Conservative Party politicians
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- The result of the discussion was disambiguate. I've created a set index article (rather than a disambiguation page) out of the items listed by Thryduulf. The inclusion of items from the longer list at Wikipedia talk:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 May 26 is left at the discretion of editors. (non-admin closure) – Uanfala 11:17, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
- List of Conservative Party politicians → List of Conservative Party (UK) politicians (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete as vague. --Nevé–selbert 08:37, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Disambiguate, because this can cover politicians from the Conservative Party of New York State and the Conservative Party of Canada, among others. This assumes that similar lists exist for those or other Conservative parties; if we have no other lists, keep. Nyttend (talk) 11:28, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Disambig. I've spent some time going through the pages that might plausibly be on such a disambiguation page and I've found the following:
- Chief Whip of the Conservative Party
- Deputy Leader of the Conservative Party (UK)
- Leader of the Conservative Party (UK)
- List of Canadian conservative leaders
- List of Conservative Party (UK) MPs
- List of Conservative Party Members of Parliament in London
- List of European Conservatives and Reformists Members of the European Parliament
- List of United Kingdom Conservative MPs (2005–10)
- List of United Kingdom Conservative MPs (2005–10)
- List of United Kingdom Conservative MPs (2010–15)
- A fuller list of all pages which are entirely or primarily lists of politicians of parties named "Conservative" is on the talk page. Thryduulf (talk) 14:27, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
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- Disambiguation page - that lists each electoral region that has a "Conservative Party". - Richard Cavell (talk) 13:23, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
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Zach Gage
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 June 14#Zach Gage
Eirik Suhrke
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 June 14#Eirik Suhrke
Mario (Mario)
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- The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix (talk) 13:25, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
Redundant and unnecessary PRehse (talk) 08:18, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
- Comment - in the Super Mario Bros. (film), Mario is referred to as "Mario Mario". Also, the second Mario could refer to the franchise, as in "the Mario character from the Mario games". - Richard Cavell (talk) 09:37, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
- Weak keep While "Mario (Mario)" wouldn't be a plausible way of referring to "Mario Mario", this does work as "Mario (Mario)". I'll admit it's wonky and maybe not a super likely search term, but it fits our conventions of disambiguating characters by franchise. Compare to Angel (Angel) (and maybe add it to the nomination?). --BDD (talk) 15:12, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
- Additional comment - is there an analogy with Jerry Seinfeld (character) and Stephen Colbert (character)? - Richard Cavell (talk) 17:02, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
- Nah. Both Seinfeld and Colbert played fictional characters based on themselves, but it wouldn't make sense for us to describe the fictional characters in the biographies of the actual people. --BDD (talk) 17:07, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. Seems like a valid redirect in the "Character (franchise)" mold. There are many other potential Marios, listed at Mario (disambiguation), of which the name immediately comes to mind as a possible, widely known alternative.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 19:13, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Keep. This redirect meets a naming convention established in similar redirects: Bowser (Mario), Toad (Mario), Peach (Mario), Luigi (Mario), Daisy (Mario), and Pauline (Mario). In fact, Toad (Nintendo) had been at Toad (Mario) for quite a few years until it was moved/renamed sometime last year. And in regards to the possibility of the nominated redirect being ambiguous, even if that is/were the case, the current target is the rather clear WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT target for this redirect. Either way, the nominated redirect isn't erroneous, meaning there's no harm with this redirect existing. Steel1943 (talk) 19:24, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
- Comment - This redirect and Mario (Mario Series) are probably as plausible as each other. 2601:584:100:E310:C59A:7CAF:83C7:ACFA (talk) 22:04, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
- Keepper Steel1943. Thryduulf (talk) 23:15, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
- Comment - We will restore the Mario (Mario Series) redirect if that redirect is plausible enough to restore. 73.204.241.132 (talk) 23:38, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
- Keep This redirect is in an appropriate format. It means Mario from the Mario franchise. Not all readers will know ahead of time that the video game character is the primary topic. Reach Out to the Truth 15:16, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - It's odd, yes, but then I think that this is reasonable enough. After all, the official (I think?) name of the character is still "Mario Mario". CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 17:18, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- Keep per Patar knight. PCN02WPS 00:34, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- Comment - The Mario (Mario Series) page was last deleted by Discospinster probably as an invalid R3. What's wrong with the Lario (Mario Series) redirect (also deleted by Discospinster). 2601:584:100:E310:97C:12F8:FA78:EBEB (talk) 02:35, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
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